What are some really over-rated movies, at least to you?

[Archae]

I mean movies that critics go all oogly over, but you think are shit?

Hmmm...

Network
Cabaret
Deliverance
Gone With The Wind
Dog Day Afternoon
The China Syndrome

Any others?

[MicaelS]

1. I agree with all of those, except Network

I watched GWTW many years ago when it first came out on VHS. I thought "This is a 4 hour long soap opera, Scarlett O'Hara is a shrew, and everyone thinks it's so great? Blechh"

[Archae]

4. GWTW is racist, revisionist drivel.

[dogknob]

65. Absolutely.

[MicaelS]

142. Forgot the single postive point of GWTW..

That is the technical side / quality of the film. Cinematography, especially the matte paintings, costumes, lighting, etc.

I was shocked to learn that most of the film was shot on RKO Radio Pictures' 40 Acres backlot that Selznick leased from RKO.

Although people still arrive in Atlanta expecting to visit Scarlett O'Hara’s Deep South estate, not a single scene of the classic film was shot in Georgia.

Sometimes TCM runs The Making of a Legend: Gone with the Wind. It's 2 hours long. That is worth a watch if you're into the technical side of film making. It's on YouTube in chunks.

[dogknob]

181. Seen it. That is truly amazing.

You don't really think of GWTW when you think "visual effects extravaganza," but it truly is.

[itcfish]

196. GWTW

Is a beautiful movie, just remember the time it was made and forget the political stuff.

[edbermac]

2. Network was years ahead of its time.

I've never seen GWTW from beginning to end, so I'd call it overrated.

[Archae]

3. Network was simply boring, to me.

[kwassa]

5. "Network" was prescient about the future.

The chief point of "Network" was that nations were no longer relevant, that the world was run by global corporations that had no ties to any particular nation.

This basic understanding has become only more true over the decades. Power will not be controlled by nations, but by global corporations.

[dogknob]

67. Damn straight!

See post #64

[SharonAnn]

180. I recently watched "Network" again. It was amazing to me how prescient it was.

When I first saw it, I thought of it as a message about a possible future.

This time, I saw it as a historical documentary.

[HughBeaumont]

192. It would have been more effective if the dialogue was simplified.

Certain parts, leave in . . . like Ned Beatty's "there is no West" speech or anything Howard Beale says. The reason that character was memorable and effective is because he talked (ranted) like a human being frustrated at an out-of-control corporate state.

The rest of the flowery, pompous interchanges, particularly Dianne and Max . . . I mean, what American ever said "I'll sack the fucking lot of you"? Come on.

[Orrex]

6. The Godfather

Bored the shit out of me.


Also Suspiria. Utterly horrible yet for some reason it's praised as terrifying and atmospheric, when in fact it's neither of these.

[dogknob]

63. "It insists on itself" -- Peter Griffin

[Harry Monroe]

153. You didn't like the Godfather?

Whatsa matter wit you!! Gonna haveta breaka ya fingers and then ya sleepa wit da fishes!!

Seriously, it's in my top 5. But to each his own, I guess.

[Orrex]

158. I know, I know. And believe me, I've tried.

I've seen it no more than half a dozen times, but it simply doesn't grab me. Certainly not with the same quasi-religious adoration that it inspires in some viewers. Great performances, but if it's on tv and I have the chance to miss it, I probably will.

[Baitball Blogger]

7. The Artist and Hugo.

[OmahaBlueDog]

33. Definitely "The Artist"

Cute film. No way it should have won best picture.

[Baitball Blogger]

54. That's the point. Both movies were okay.

But not Award winning. That particular Oscar award was definitely a Hollywood affair. And they wonder why it's losing viewers.

[demwing]

140. Loved The Artist

and think that the lead actor (Jean Dujardin) was cast because of his resemblance to Gene Kelley in Singing in the Rain - a movie with a similar plot.

[dogknob]

147. Dujardin was cast because...

...he has been in at least 2 other films by the same director, Michel Hazanavicius.

OSS 117: Cairo, Nest of Spies (Berenice Bejo, Hazanavicius' wife, is in this and The Artist)
OSS 117: Lost in Rio

[Atman]

173. I thought Hugo was beautiful.

Certainly visually stunning, with excellent performances all around.

I haven't seen The Artist, and don't plan to until it hits tv...and even then I might not see it.

[Baitball Blogger]

179. Hugo was a bit too theatrical for me as far as the plot line was concerned.

I kept expecting Hugo to turn out to be Pinocchio.

I'm damaged by sci fi, I guess.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

8. Anything by Quentin Tarantino.

I don't get it. My kid made me watch a couple of them and I remember nothing. I really don't like violent movies anyway.

[OriginalGeek]

20. lol, well then QT is not for you

He do populate his flicks with some violence.

I'm not positive I've seen everything he's been involved with but I like everything I've seen.


I don't understand why anyone likes Donnie Darko but I meet people all the time that think it's splendid.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

126. I liked Inglourious Basterds.

Because it was about a plot to round up the top Nazis, set the theater on fire and kill them all. Since it could have happened historically, and they were Nazis, I could understand it.

[alphafemale]

9. You Are All Dead to Me.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

107. My two problems with Tarentino

are his overuse of profanity and his fondness for the word "nigger". He can write very good scripts, and he has a talent for writing dialogue. The conversation between Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta about "what do they call a Quarter Pounder With Cheese in Paris" in Pulp Fiction is, IMHO, brilliant. So is the use of the non-chronological story line.

My favorite of his movies is Jacky Brown, which is under-rated.

[Curmudgeoness]

10. Um, I liked many of your list of boring movies.

So that means you may not agree with me, but here it goes anyways.

2001: A Space Odyssey
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
American Beauty
The Pianist
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Apocalypse Now

[Tom Ripley]

16. I agree with you strongly about all of those (except for Apocalypse Now)

[XemaSab]

103. DTM

n/t

[Curmudgeoness]

149. Musta been Monty Python. Oh well.

[7wo7rees]

11. Star Wars

Star Trek
Harry Potter
Twilight

[baldguy]

17. .

(except for Twilight)

[flamingdem]

25. I felt nothing for any of those

and I work/ed in the biz

[hifiguy]

116. I never got the cult of Star Wars.

They were entertaining but not terribly deep or profound. Trek I have enjoyed in all its manifestations, save for the last couple of TOS movies.

[Fort Minor]

223. Gasp!

Every single one of those are obsessions of mine. Although I can understand why you wouldn't like them.

[MiddleFingerMom]

12. I have never been able to watch Gone With the Wind nor The Maltese Falcon w/o falling asleep.

[yoyossarian]

89. You're lucky!

They BOTH suck; in very different ways, but they both suck hard.
Finally saw GWTW just earlier this year, and was pleased to see that all my lifelong prejudices regarding it, based on nothing but the hype and the trailers and a firm sense of mule-like stubbornness that kept me from seeing it for decades, turned out to be quite accurate. A despicable film. Truly.
As for MF, it's just pretty damn crappy all the way around. There's this funny scene where Bogart "cleverly" disarms some mug who's got a heater on him while walking down a hallway; it's totally unintentionally funny, cuz it's just so clumsy, they shoulda shot that scene about 22 more times to make it seem at all plausible... worse yet, though, it's just a really boring mystery. Mary Astor can't save it; Peter Lorre and Sydney Greenstreet can't redeem it. It's just dreck. John Huston's directorial debut, it won 3 Oscars, including Best Pic. Go figure.

[MiddleFingerMom]

99. I'm a big Bogey fan of many of his other movies -- but that one is NOT shinola.

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I honestly tried both films several times (sometimes I'll LOVE a movie on a second look that
I hated the first time -- wrong mood for it initially, I guess).
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[avebury]

13. Lawrence of Arabia

My parents dragged us to see it when it first came out and I was really young. All I remember is there was lots of sand. I have never been able to sit through it as an adult.

[Tom Ripley]

15. +1,000,000 (that one is the gold standard for what I call "handsome productions")

[mykpart]

27. Thank you!

I feel exactly the same way about Lawrence of Arabia. Also Chariots of Fire. Have never been able to watch the whole thing.

[yoyossarian]

90. YES!

One does get tired of gazing into Peter O'Toole's infinitely blue eyes, while all around an incomprehensible attempt at a story is going on interminably... it is a lot like actually being in the Middle East, in that I didn't really understand anything anyone was saying, even the English stuff. Pointless. Endless. Eternally boring.

[dogknob]

100. I heard that Albert Finney passed on that role.

Good for him.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

129. Read "Seven Pillars of Wisdom" instead.

Book by T.E. Lawrence.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

190. My grandfather had a copy of Seven Pillars of Wisdom

During WWI, he had been on Allenby's staff, and knew Lawrence (and didn't think much of him). The officer played by Anthony Quayle was based in part on my grandfather. I have no idea what my grandfather felt about the movie.

Anyway, my grandfather's copy of The Seven Pillars of Wisdom had lots of notes in the margin in my grandfather's hand. I really wish I had that book. If it strill exists, it's probably in the possession of my cousin Jonathan.

[Tom Ripley]

14. Almost all of the movies directed by Clint Eastwood

he is a great screen presence as an actor, but almost everything he directs becomes a boring, middlebrow presentation "that's good for you!"

[Curmudgeoness]

18. Did he direct Gran Torino?

If so, I have to disagree on that movie.

[demwing]

44. Yes he did, as well as Million Dollar Baby and Unforgiven

which were both great films

[MiddleFingerMom]

69. I have a disabled friend who DETESTS "Million Dollar Baby" because...

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... he says it has the all-too-common theme of "Better Dead than Disabled".
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He LOVE LOVE LOVES "Murderball" (best part coming during the Larry King interview in the bonus section).
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[demwing]

71. Better dead than disabled?

to some people that may be true, but I didn't see it that way. I saw a story about a woman who made a choice about her own health care and quality of life. A choice that belonged to her, and no one else.

[Honeycombe8]

81. Me, too. The point was...when a person's quality of life is gone (she was an athlete)...

it is her right to decide whether she wants to check out.

Remember that it was compared to a family dog her family had had. The dog had had an accident or gotten ill, so here dad had taken it out in the woods and put it out of his misery, rather than let the dog suffer. It was hard to do, but something the dad did out of his caring and compassion for the dog.

So for Clint Eastwood to do that for her was the ultimate way of saying he loved her like a daughter, and would do that for her, at her request, so she wouldn't suffer.

[Curmudgeoness]

77. I can see his point of view on it.

I suppose that each of us sees things differently based on our own experiences. I just saw it as a very sad story.

[dogknob]

68. Gran Torino might be his best...

...with Play Misty For Me, Bird, Unforgiven, and Million Dollar Baby not far behind.

I just gotta mention The Dead Pool here for its casting of Jim Carrey and its hilarious car-chase parody.

[demwing]

73. I was an extra in Dead Pool

The extras for our scene were introduced to Eastwood as a group, I remember him being very gentle, and very tall. Web search lists him as 6'4", but I'm 6'2" and Eastwood was quite taller than me. Maybe he had platform shoes.

BTW - Carrey's death scene from Dead Pool

[dogknob]

76. Sweet.

[yoyossarian]

91. Gran Torino was Clint's ONE GREAT MOVIE!

Imho... I have always tended to fnd fault with his earlier works, even though I LOVE Clint and I REALLY wanna love his movies too...
But GT? GT is the BOMB!
On my top-ten list, along with about 50 other movies... yeah, I know, it's a very crowded top-ten list.

[Curmudgeoness]

148. I agree, which is why I had to bring it up

when I saw that Eastwood had only directed boring movies.

[Enrique]

51. I agree

except about his great screen presence.

I was going to post "Unforgiven", I'll have to come up with another one...

[Rob H.]

82. Even 'The Outlaw Josey Wales' and 'High Plains Drifter'?

BLASPHEMY!!!!11!!1!!

Nah, just kidding. I like 'em, but that doesn't mean everyone has to.

[Tom Ripley]

86. They are great; it's the post-"Bird" "classy" Eastwood direction that I find tedious...

I prefer the vulgar energy of his earlier work

[dmrtndl1]

167. Ii like both these films but

I feel that every film that Clint Eastwood used that non acting hack of a girlfriend Sondra Locke in was automatically a downgrade to the point I wish there was a delete button for her scenes.

[distantearlywarning]

19. It's A Wonderful Life

So many great Christmas movies out there, and somehow this piece of crap became the classic for the season.

[Tom Ripley]

30. It only became a "classic" because it was in the public domain, and cost nothing to broadcast

It is a piece of crap

[yellowcanine]

222. I like it. Though I agree without Jimmy Stewart it wouldn't be very entertaining.

I thought Clarence the angel was lots of fun also.

[Divameow77]

21. Pulp Fiction

Sorry... I just don't get it

[XemaSab]

104. Thank you

I thought I was alone.

[Rambis]

114. It was shit (nm)

x

[Atman]

174. Yes.

I even own it on DVD and I've never been able to watch the whole thing. Meh.

[distantearlywarning]

209. Yep.

Totally agree.

[pscot]

217. It's just nasty

[Populist_Prole]

22. 'The Godfather' and 'The Sting'

Godfather is long, boring and overwrought to me. 'The Sting' suffers from overdone cheesiness. Both movies are kind of like people that "are famous for being famous".

[Ready4Change]

154. Didn't like 'The Godfather' much, but loved 'The Sting.'

Then again, I love heist and caper movies.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

191. I loved the Godfather, the Sting is OK

[Populist_Prole]

193. I just couldn't get past the cheesiness of the details

The characters looked cartoonish as the attention to period correct details was handled so sloppily. The sets looked so fake as well, very obviously hollywood-ish back-lot look to them. This from the 70's, from which so many great films did managed to be made.

I dunno, maybe I'm too harsh a critic.

[mysuzuki2]

23. GWTW, Citizen Kane, 2001.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

24. Juno, Lost in Translation, and the recent...

Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (I made it through about 20 minutes of that one...zzzz).

[RiffRandell]

40. Totally agree with the first two.

I thought they were completely lame. Haven't see TTSS.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

52. Tremendous cast, but I was turned off in the first 5 minutes.

I just *totally* thought of another one: "Inception." I think that's the name of it -- the one in which Leonardo DiCaprio pulled in something like $150M? By the end of that film I didn't care if the characters were awake or dreaming, alive or dead -- I just wanted it TO END. That being said, I liked "Memento." Huh.

[XemaSab]

105. Inception was one of the worst movies I have ever seen

I was checking my metaphorical watch about 15 minutes in.

As a really snarky review I once read said, "Inception may have been directed by Christopher Nolan, but Nolan's dreams are apparently directed by Michael Bay."

[pink-o]

211. Gawd, it was abominable!

I saw it on the recommendation of friends I trust (a trust that has be broken, after that!) and two awful scenes haunt me: first, where they were in one of the myriad uncomprehenisble dream dimensions, sitting around defeated by some obfuscated plot device. Then suddenly, Ellen Paige jumps to her feet and cries out that they haven't tried blah blah. Then all the others jump up and declare it'll work and everything resumes. Yecch. That's middle school story writing!

Then there's the stupid bus that takes years to fall into the water. Reminded me of watching Shrub when he first heard about 911. Seven minutes of stasis.

Really shitty film. And I LOVED Memento! WTF, Nolan??

[RZM]

26. Here are a few

Million Dollar Baby
Spiderman (all three of them, but especially the first two)
Memento
Harold and Maude
Donnie Darko
The Virgin Suicides

But worst I can think of is 'Tae Guk Gi' (The Brotherhood of War), which is a S. Korean film. It's about the Korean War and by Korean standards, a pretty big production.

The problem is that it's unbelievably stupid. I was excited to see it and within minutes I was laughing at the cheesiness.

Once the war gets going, each battle scene is pretty much a video game level, complete with boss characters. Unbelievably bad movie.

[mykpart]

28. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

And I am SOOO tired of being told I just didn't understand about the son! I got it, it was a fantasy son, but I still think it was DUMB.

[Tom Ripley]

29. But it's great for a drinking game

Every time a character takes a drink, the players have to take a drink...
You'll never make it to the end

[mykpart]

32. Love it!

I don't drink now, but one of my favorite drinking games used to be to watch reruns of The Rifleman and take a drink every time Mark said, "Paw!"

[Iggo]

57. My fave drinking game was watching ESPN and drinking every time an analyst says "...talk about..."

It can get pretty sloppy pretty fast. "When you talk about Green Bay you gotta talk about Bret Favre, and when you talk about Bret Favre you gotta talk about athleticism..."

Buuuurrrrrrp, Hic!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

34. An angry couple arguing. I don't get it either.

Mean, nasty cruel people. Yuck.

They can keep: All Batman movies after Michael Keaton; Godfather trilogy (I got no respect for people whose ethics involve murder); Pulp Fiction; Kill Bill; and other violent pieces of crap with no real human relationships. Million Dollar Baby as well for the same reason as The Godfather--since she went into the business of severely injuring people, she got injured and basically killed herself by fighting someone who severely injured her. It was ridiculous that she was talking with a trach tube, as well.

Violence and screaming and yelling and threatening by actors are no substitute for actual human relationships. And I don't mean that every movie has to be sweet and innocent and G-rated.

I really am careful about what movies I watch, TV shows and such. If I see serious violence in movies I will have nightmares and wake up in a panic. If it actually happened and is part of history I am more likely to see a justification for it, like Schindler's List.

[demwing]

47. "Godfather trilogy (I got no respect for people whose ethics involve murder)"

I think that's the point of the Godfather story - to contrast "good" people who do rotten things with "rotten" people who are attempting good things.

This is not a glorification of violence, but a tragic story about a hero who goes into hell to bring his family back out, and gets lost in the process.

[dogknob]

72. Yep.

The Godfather has an unfortunate legacy that it tends to be lumped in with today. I believe The Sopranos more aptly fits the poster's description.

When discussing the film, I have found that most people who hate The Godfather have violated the guideline in post #64.

[demwing]

75. agreed about the Sopranos

And post #64 made me snort merlot all over my bong.

[dogknob]

101. See what happens?

[Tom Ripley]

31. Casablanca AKA The Biggest Waste of a Great Cast

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

108. Simply put, you are wrong

Casablanca is a great movie, with some great lines. The singing of "The Marseillaise" is my favorite bit from any movie.

[WinstonSmith4740]

165. Totally agree!

#1 on my all time list. I watched this with my niece a few months back (her first time) and she kept saying "Oh my God! This is where that line came from!" It's a total classic. Watch it, and then follow up with "Play It Again, Sam". It's a great combo, as long as you like Woody Allen.

[handmade34]

35. Babel

[alphafemale]

36. That any random boring British piece of crap seems to win an Oscar.

Or at least be nominated.

Seriously.

What's up with that?

[XemaSab]

106. Correction:

"any random boring UPPER CLASS British piece of crap..."

You're welcome.

[MADem]

110. That is because Americans can't understand the British lower classes.

I used to enjoy the UK soap "East Enders" on my local PBS affiliate because I watched it when I lived in UK. They cancelled it because Americans couldn't understand what was being said.

The Upper Class tones may be a bit plummy, but they can be understood by most people in USA.

[XemaSab]

127. When's the last time you saw a movie

that positively worshipped the American upper class?

[MADem]

134. Well...hmmmm....

Wall Street? Greed is Good! Of course, the protagonist was rich, but he had as much class as a three day old dog turd.

But truth to tell, my mind goes to period pieces of the "Great Gatsby" genre! We're more of an "action film" and "romantic comedy" and "buddy comedy" type culture, I guess...

[harmonicon]

136. Almost every movie and TV show ever made, I guess. (nt)

[XemaSab]

145. I'm not talking people who are "Cosby Show" or "Mad Men" rich

I'm talking "Let's go to the lake house this weekend" rich.

[harmonicon]

160. My statement still stands.

I've not seen Mad Men, but the parents on the Cosby Show were pretty stupidly rich by most standards.

[HeiressofBickworth]

37. Thelma and Louise

I hated it. Two women, making mistake after mistake until they are cornered with no way out but to kill themselves. Stupid movie. I could never figure out why people raved about it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. nooooo. not Thelma and Louise.

[wendylaroux]

159. oh no you didn't

come on,you've got Thelma AND Louise!!

[Punkingal]

38. Shakespeare in Love

Hated that movie. Also the Warren Beatty one, Bullworth, that got so many raves. I thought it was stupid.

[T_i_B]

39. Never rated Eraserhead.

[demwing]

46. That movie is incredible - it almost makes me ill

now why, or rather how would a movie make a person ill? What is there that makes me have such a gut level reaction? When I watch the film, I get the feeling that I've seen something that I wasn't supposed to see, as if the skin of normalcy was peeled back to show the blood and bile that sits just beneath the surface.

Personally, I find the movie terrifying.

[harmonicon]

137. I feel the same way.

I can't/won't watch it again. It just creeped me out WAY too much - unlike any other film I've seen.

[raccoon]

42. The English Patient. nt

[Curmudgeoness]

60. That was so boring, I forgot about it....

I give you the award for the absolutely most boring movie ever made.

[Rob H.]

84. ...or as a friend of mine calls it, "The Endless Patient"

I saw it in the theater and can't remember a thing about it, tbh.

[bigwillq]

43. Forrest Gump

Titanic
Gone with the Wind
Back to the Future

[demwing]

45. I like every one of your "shit" films

and often don't understand why people don't enjoy more movies than they do.

I often get the feeling that people have expectations of movies that aren't being satisfied, but if they were to just let go of those expectations and try to enjoy the film for what it is, they might have a little more fun - and more fun never hurt anyone.

[pipi_k]

48. Definitely

Titanic. IMO it was about 2 1/2 hours too long.

I hated LoTR.

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

All of the "Indiana Jones" movies

2001: A Space Odyssey


Those are the first ones that came to mind.

[ohiosmith]

49. 2001 A Space Odyssey.

Saw it on acid and straight. Sucked both ways.

[Curmudgeoness]

61. I remember when it hit TV and it seemed that everyone watched it.

I was one of them. I was lost the whole way through it, and bored to tears. Afterward, the buzz at the office and everywhere you went was "what did it MEAN???" So I read the freaking book to see if I could get some understanding. I actually did, the book seemed to explain itself.....the movie, not so much. But maybe I just wasn't esoteric enough.

[WinstonSmith4740]

162. You hit on the key...

See the movie, THEN read the book. Then see the movie again. It kind of falls into place. There actually was a narration of sorts in the original cut, which supposedly explained a lot of what was going on, but Kubrick took it out. I've always thought he didn't give a rat's ass if anyone understood it or not.

[Curmudgeoness]

201. Kubrick was onto something though...

no one would even remember that movie if it had not been for the vagueness that caused all the controversy. And if he was nothing else, he was a master of controversy.

[WinstonSmith4740]

213. Oh, absolutely!

The man was a freakin' genius. One of the things that always struck me was he never did the same movie twice. You never knew what he was gonna hit you with!

[Brigid]

88. Yep, "Space Odyssey."

*snore*

[Paladin]

50. Dr. Strangelove

It hasn't aged well.

[Curmudgeoness]

59. Noooooooooooo!!!! Not Dr. Strangelove!!!!!!!

It may be silly at times, deep at other times, but boring is not something I would say about it. Call me a fan.

[WinstonSmith4740]

164. One of my favorites, too!

Watch the Russian ambassador when Strangelove is on his rant and battling with his hand. The actor is barely holding it together! There was also a food fight at the end that Kubrick cut out. After all, those warriors had nothing left to fight against, except each other, and nothing left to fight with, except the food. LOVE this movie. In fact, I think I'll go watch it.

[dogknob]

70. Maybe it will become more "relevant" when...

...our banks and government finally allow the cartels to get nukes.

"Can you turn the music down, Jose?"

[Alexander]

53. Gladiator. Inglorious Basterds. Lost in Translation. Avatar. Titanic.

These movies were either boring, or they had numerous plot holes and made no sense. Or both.

[Shrek]

55. Pretty much anything with Meryl Streep

She sucks.

[mucifer]

56. The Matrix

[neeksgeek]

163. The first half was pretty intriguing...

But it didn't need to turn into a kung fu shootout movie.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

58. The Dark Knight.

Everyone talked about how great it was, how 'haunting" Ledger's performance was as the Joker, etc.

All I saw was a mediocre, hurried, forgettable mess.

I hate to sound morbid, but Ledger's death was the greatest thing that could ever happen to that film's reputation. (Not to disparage Heath Ledger in the least, but his death was the primary driver behind all the accolades for that movie.)

[hifiguy]

117. I dunno. Ledger's Joker was one of the only screen villains

who has actually freaked me out in my adult life. That was a masterful turn.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

122. Ledger did a decent enough job.

But Christian Bale just sort of murmured incoherently throughout the entire movie, and the whole Harvey Dent/Two Face storyline/subplot was rushed and poorly executed.

[mucifer]

210. Ledger in nurse drag was AWESOME!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

131. The Dark Knight was the most pointless, violent movie ever.

I don't get it. No human relationships, just people robbing banks, threatening to slice throats, and the two women get killed off early in the movie.

I know enough meticulous and dangerous psychopaths in real life so I don't need Heath Ledger giving me nightmares.

[Godot51]

176. Old joke

A joke I heard in the 50s still rings true today:
Actor A: Did you hear the news, so and so just died!"
Actor B: "Good career move."

[bif]

62. Chicago. Total waste of time.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

124. True, except for when Catherine Zeta-Jones was singing or showing her legs.

Thank you, Catherine Zeta-Jones. And to whoever financed the movie.

[dogknob]

64. If you think Network is shit...

...why are you on DU at all?

One thing many of the films mentioned in this thread have in common is that you actually have to watch them.

Popping on a DVD, crackin' a bottle of merlot, doing a few bong hits and talking until something catches your attention does not count.

[demwing]

74. ouch

that cut close to the bone

[LanternWaste]

128. Yikes... methinks a few of your celluloid sacred cows have been skewered.

Yikes... methinks a few of your celluloid sacred cows have been skewered.

[dogknob]

143. That may be...

... but the majority of people I have had "discussions" with (like OR dislike) about The Godfather can't even tell me why there's an attempt on Brando's life fairly early in the film... and they've usually "seen" it more than once.

Many of the films regularly making people's "shit lists" are the victims of a sort of "ADHD revisionism" that is infecting our culture.

[dogknob]

66. Wanna know why 2001: A Space Odyssey is one of the greatest films ever?

Because EVERYONE has an opinion about it.

[Curmudgeoness]

78. Too bad very few of them know what they are talking about.

Greatest???? Because everyone thinks that they know what the movie theme was? Or just because so many people think it was a waste of their time? It was just too bizarre to understand. That doesn't equate to great.

[dogknob]

83. It's great because YOU get to decide what it's about!

Kinda passé these days in film, where everything is cut, dried and spoon-fed -- I guess I'm just OLD!

[Curmudgeoness]

85. I was so obsessed with what it meant

that I actually read the book. Really, it did have a meaning.

[dogknob]

102. Clarke wrote the book AFTER he and Kubrick wrote the film.

There are many large differences between the two.

[yoyossarian]

96. Now doggy, just take yer heart pills and come to bed already!

And keep yer ding-dang teeth in yer OWN ding-dang glass, on YER side!

Haha! Yer not OLD... yer just crotchety!!!



There are some, btw, who believe that Kubrick filmed the moon landing on a sound stage in Great Britain--though I found the whole drama much too fast-moving and interesting to possibly be Kubrick's work. Haha. Just kidding. 2001 is easily his slowest-paced work, but there is so much to experience in those drawn-out moments, and so much of it fantastic in the best and most basic sense of the word.

I DO however believe that Kubrick made 2001 just to get all film fans divided into two feuding factions. The war has not yet begun... but when it does, everybody's gonna know it.

You see, the the sheer raw enthusiasm of film fans cannot be underestimated. The average opinion of the average American has a greater weight than the heaviest element, greater gravity than the most titanic black hole imaginable, and enough pure ego-force to destroy the universe several times over, just out of pure pique. Most of us don't know it, but our evolved human opinions now have the power to destroy worlds.

Luckily, mankind has not yet been able to harness the energy of even a single film critic in any weaponized fashion... but woe be unto mankind when we finally do.

Kubrick helped to separate the greater, truly nucleic and dangerous force of those who believe that 2001 is a great film, from those sadly inferior ones who do not, those who are still afraid to embrace the mysterious monolith sitting implacably before them, and see what sorts of odd ideas might be born in that embrace.

The believers, they're the reckless ones, the crazy ones.
And, oddly, they're right.

So you are correct, sir. Kinda old, yes... but absolutely correct.
2001 is one of the greatest films of all time. And space.
But you gotta embrace it, and then use your head... just as you said.

[Atman]

197. That, and also when you consider when it was made.

The special effect, all using models on a sound stage, were as good as, if not better, than anything Lucas was able to do with Star Wars.

I remember back when in the VHS days and we got a fancy new "hi-def" version of Star Wars...you could literally see every matte line and editing mark in the film. It was horrible. It reminded me of stuff I did in high school using Super 8. But not so with 2001. No matte line, because of the way Kubrick filmed it. It looks like it could have been made today.

[eek MD]

79. "Heat"....(and any movie with Adam Sandler in it)

,

(Yes, I realize most of his tripe isn't critically acclaimed anyway, but I couldn't resist)

[Honeycombe8]

80. Inception. I almost walked out. But the ones you list...they are among the best movies ever made! nt

[EastTennesseeDem]

87. The Hurt Locker, Slumdog Millionaire, Juno

LOTR: The Return of the King
The English Patient
The Pianist
The Reader

I enjoyed Return of the King and The Pianist. I even own them. But "overrated" is still an adjective I'd use to describe them even though I liked them. The others I mention have their merits but overall are just okay.

Except The Reader. That was downright atrocious.

[IntravenousDemilo]

92. I have trouble with Terrence Malick movies.

They seem like slide shows. Days of Heaven was especially soporific.

I couldn't stand Gangs of New York and have no idea what the hell Daniel Day-Lewis thought he was doing.

Kramer Vs Kramer... meh, it's OK but it didn't deserve all the accolades it got. And I wouldn't have given Hoffman the Oscar for a part many other actors could have played just as well; I think it should have gone to Peter Sellers in Being There.

[Tom Ripley]

115. I love his movies, but I understand where you are coming from...

and respect that opinion. There is no middle ground with Malick. He really is a love him or hate him director.

I also thought Gangs of New York was just terrible. I like to think that Day-Lewis knew that he was appearing in an irredeemable shit fest, and decided to go way over-the-top, giving the movie the performance it deserved.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

121. I just saw The Tree of Life a few days ago.

I'm trying to decide whether it was pretentious yet well done, or just plain pretentious. The jury's still out.

[hifiguy]

220. I saw Tree of Life on HBO yesterday.

It is now in my top five favorite movies of all time. It may have been the most sheerly beautiful film I have ever seen. I can see as how he might be a love him/hate him director on the basis of that film even though I've not seen any other of his work. But then I am a big David Lynch fan, too.

[IntravenousDemilo]

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[IntravenousDemilo]

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[begin_within]

95. I'm sure I will get strangled for this...

The Big Lebowski.

After hearing so many raves and all that, I finally watched it a couple of years ago and I was very disappointed. It was like a third-rate imitation of a John Waters film peopled with artificially oddball characters that had none of the humanity and charm of those in Waters' films. The humor seemed very forced and Jeff Bridges basically did an impression of Tommy Chong for the whole film. I still can't understand why DUers think it's so great. Our neighbors have movie nights every 2 weeks in the summer, and they showed that one night. I warned them in advance about the language, but they went ahead with it. About 30 people showed up, but by the time the film was over only 4 were left.

[dogknob]

112. Lebowski is one of "those" movies...

You either really like it or you really don't like it. Sorta like 2001.

[Archae]

97. Two more I'll add to the list...

"JFK"

"Birth Of A Nation."

Both of them bullshit revisionist movies.

[Bertha Venation]

113. WHAT?! Bertha Venation?!!

Oh, wait . . .

Never mind.

[yoyossarian]

98. Dog Day Afternoon?

REALLY?

Sonny: "Kiss me!"
Charles Durning: "Huh?"
Sonny: "Kiss me! Kiss me!"
Charles Durning: "Huh?"
Sonny: "I like to be kissed when I'm bein'--" Well, you know the rest.

I mean, seriously? I admit, all the others are flawed, some more than others...
But DDA? Really?

.......

DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Lost in Translation was utterly dreadful.

Hey, let's make a movie!
Okay! Got a script?
Nooo.... so what? Let's make a movie ANYWAY! We'll call it Lost in a Train Station... or something like that.
Okay! Let's get Edward James Olmos for the lead!
NO! His face is MUCH TOO SMOOTH! Who else can we get?
What about that Mexican dude who's in all those Robt Rodriguez movies? Y'know, "Machete!"
Still too handsome... I want to do a LOT of close-ups where we explore what's BENEATH the faces we show to society. For my leading man, I need someone whose face looks like it was ravaged by time and the elements and maybe even a gang of sadistic rapists--for a LONG time!
Hmmm...
And of course, he's GOTTA be funny!
Will he have some funny lines then?
NO! Writing sucks; it leads to reading, I hear...
Really?
Really! So anyway, I want to make a film for ME, and y'know what? I don't want to listen to all this talk talk talk. I just like to look at people's faces, and just wonder what's going on in their heads, or what they're feeling right then, or maybe what the hell happened to their once-young facial flesh!
Y'know, I think you've hit on something here that's going to be REALLY popular!
How could it miss?

[MADem]

109. All of those films were groundbreaking...in their time.

Things that are groundbreaking for one generation become quaint for the next, and silly or inconsequential for the one after that.

[LynneSin]

111. As of yesterday I'd like to add 'The Artist'

Or as I'd like to call it - the afternoon snooze

[Proud Liberal Dem]

118. Life of Brian (Monty Python)

I expected it to be another "Holy Grail". I just didn't get it. There were some funny scenes but mostly it seemed kind of meandering. Maybe I just "didn't get" some of the jokes?

[dogknob]

146. Bravo!

You definitely didn't get most of the jokes.

...but you are actually cool enough to admit it.

[Ready4Change]

155. Wow.

One of my favorite, very quotable movies.

Brian: "You are all individuals!"
Multitude: "Yes! We ARE all individuals!"
One guy in the back: "I'm not."
Multitude: "Shhhhh."

[Proud Liberal Dem]

156. I promise that I'll watch it again

Maybe I was just out of it when I saw it. I loved the snickering over one of the Centurion's name (which I can't quote here).

[Ready4Change]

157. Learn Latin too!

I've heard the 'Romans go home' bit is a pretty good lesson in Latin.

[hifiguy]

221. John Cleese being objectionable is one of the funniest people in the world.

John Cleese as a Roman officer being objectionable whilst teaching Latin raises his baseline of humorousness to the ionosphere.

[OnyxCollie]

119. No Country For Old Men

No Plot for Boring Movie.

[Doc Holliday]

120. My $.02 worth

Avatar
Titanic (most JC films are severely under-edited, IMO)
any musical
the "Star Wars" prequel trilogy
GWTW

....and please don't shoot me, but "Casablanca" (I think it's a not-bad Bogie flick, somewhat over-rated)

[demwing]

139. Any musical?

that's too bad...

Moulin Rouge was fun, Wizard of Oz is a classic, and Singing in the Rain was a great film,

[Merlot]

166. I can't believe it took this long for Avatar to get mentioned!

Couldn't finish it. Silly, predictable, and simplistic. A lot of people found a deeper meaning in Avatar, which to me looked like a video game.

I will say that GWTW was an amazing production - the movie is beautiful to watch. Scarlett was a woman with her own mind, she broke a lot of societies rules. It's to bad that the slavery aspects have ruined what was other wise a great love story which doesn't glorify war, but shows the waste and destruction.

All Clint Eastwood movies are overrated, IMO

[Nay]

169. Thanks for hating Avatar. Grossly simplistic story, long scenes only meant to show off the

computer graphics, etc., etc. Hated it. Unfortunately, because of other folks in the household who love the thing, I've seen the goddam movie 20 times.

[Merlot]

202. 20 times? Oh, I feel for you!

Avatar pretty much tops my list for unwatchable movies.

[yoyossarian]

214. I refer you to post #64

I simply must!

[Merlot]

216. Is it true what they're saying about post #64?

not sure I want to go there!

[dogknob]

224. Do a shot of tequila first.

You'll be fine...

[kooljerk666]

170. umm.......... South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut

Rated as the best musical since the Music Man era...which was a fun & good movie.

How come Tom Cruise has gotten off the hook, I can't think of one of his
this wasn't a Turd. I am still annoyed at what they did to "War of the Worlds"!!!

Godfather, never wasted my time. I am Italian & can't stand loudmouths.

Don't like sopranos either.

BTW Yankee Doodle Dandy was a great musical, James Cagney being a nice guy & showing off the skills
that made him a star. I enjoyed that one too.

edit
South Parks best song: Kyles Mom is a big fat %^$%^&........

end edit

[dogknob]

187. There's only one loudmouth in The Godfather and he gets shot about 20,000 times.

You must be thinking of other mob films that came after, with which The Godfather is unfortunately associated.

It's like refusing to see Jaws because of Piranha and Sharktopus.

[YankeyMCC]

123. Titanic

[LanternWaste]

125. Matrix movies. Poe's 'Dream within a Dream' rewritten for the sub-literate.

Matrix movies. Poe's 'Dream within a Dream' rewritten for the sub-literate.

[dogknob]

144. If only they had stopped at one.

The ending of the first one was as good as it could have possibly gotten.

I did not need to be shown that Zion was actually Burning Man.

[Scuba]

130. Any movie where ...

.... I gotta pay $8.50 to sit in a bad chair eating $6.00 popcorn, drinking $4.00 soda and I can't even pause it when I've gotta pee.

[kurtzapril4]

132. East of Eden

Had never seen a James Dean film before, was always told what a wonderful actor he was, and when I saw it I was stunned by his horrible over-acting. Just gob-smacked. What a terrible actor!

[harmonicon]

151. I've not seen it...

but that's exactly what I thought about Rebel Without a Cause when I finally saw it. I guess famous + pretty + dying young = icon.

[Merlot]

203. But the camera loved him

I kind of agree with you about East of Eden. But I think it has more to do with the story and the era than with Deans acting. He was cut short before we could see what he could really do, but had a lot of potential.

[FSogol]

133. Silence of the Lambs

Hopkins was supposed to be an evil mastermind, but only solved the crime by PERSONALLY knowing the villain. That takes a lot of brainpower, doesn't it?

[Grantuspeace]

135. Anything with Vin Diesel, Steven Segal, Chuck Norris, Claude Van Damme.

And another vote for Forrest Gump.

[SacoMaine61]

138. How about movies that could have been tolerable with more on the cutting room floor?

The Color Purple: Shave off 30 minutes
Dances with Wolves: Trim 1.75 hours
The English Patient: Minus 45 minutes to 1 hour
2001: A Space Odyssey: Less 2 and a quarter hours

[Yavin4]

141. The Tree of Life

I dare you. I double dog dare you to try to get through that movie.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

150. Three that ALWAYS get top scores in movie review guides

Sound of Music
Dr. Zhivago
Fiddler on the Roof

Must haves for your video library and that you never tire of seeing again and again....

....and again......

.....and again......

......and again.....

[dogknob]

152. The Holy Trinity of Yawn

[kooljerk666]

171. I'd rather be on thorazine.......

locked in a padded room & wear a straight jacket, than have to see any of those.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

185. Then there are the ones they rate with a "turkey" that are actually good

Example:

[kooljerk666]

188. Bruce Campbell = Always a good time.......edit to fix Bruce's last name spelling

Bubba Ho Tep, funny yet a great look at how older people are treated & how they feel.

Evil dead 1, I have not seen Evil Dead 2, one of the best horror comedy movies ever. "WHO"S LAFFING NOW!"? vrrrrrrrrrrr... (chainsaw)

Man w/ the screaming brain awesome!!

I watch a lot of TCM & enjoy a good movie, but i also love classic sci fi i.e. THEM!, Kronos, The Day the earth stood still, Bodysnatchers, It the terror from beyond space, and one i just saw for the first time the other day, The Black Scorpion. The guy who did the Mighty Joe Young did the effects & while it was not as good, as the best, it was fun & re watchable.

The best ones are what mainstream usually call the worst ones.

Killer Clowns From Outer Space 10/10!!
Mars Attacks 10/10 & they blow up both houses of congress, the old ladies quote is my favorite in all movies, period.

ON IMDB lists if I look at the best 250 top movies I like about 1 out of 5. On the sci fi list about 1/2. On the horror list out of the top 10 2 suck, The exorcist & rosemarys baby. I guess, not being brainwashed about hell & such makes satan stuff seem silly.

Edit to ad best scene from Mars Attacks:

[Spitfire of ATJ]

189. I guess, not being brainwashed about hell & such makes satan stuff seem silly.

No kidding. What's funny are some of the real nutcases that act like Satan is responsible for smelly feet.

Back in the 60's the fire and brimstone types protested the show "Bewitched" and America laughed at them. Nowadays FOX "News" would parade those types on the air to speak uninterrupted to sympathetic hosts and mainstream media would follow until America would be saying, "Well, they've got a point" thus getting the show cancelled.

Just imagine if "I Dream of Jeanie" came out today with the anti-Arab attitude. The Right would go insane claiming it's recruiting for al Qaeda.

[Merlot]

204. Can we add Zorba the Greek to this list?

without a doubt the most depressing movie ever.

Never made it through Dr. Z or Fidler, they looked like a snoozefest from the get go. As silly as Sound of Music is, I absolutely love Julie Andrews.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

207. Only if it's a double feature with "The Old Man and the Sea"

[Tom Ripley]

161. Any Wes Anderson movie (yeah, we get it man, you really really really liked Salinger)

[RedStateLiberal]

168. Synechdoche, New York

I love the other films written by Charlie Kaufman - Adaptation, Being John Malkovich, Eternel Sunshine... - but this one was horrible IMO. Critics loved it for some reason.

[Merlot]

206. oh that was awful...so bad I can't even remember if I finished it

[FlaGranny]

172. A Star is Born - original version

Absolutely hated the movie. Never wanted to see the newer version since the first version was so bad. My friend wanted to see the original and it had me squirming in my seat wanting it to be over so I could get out of there. It seemed to go on forever.

Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor bored me to death.

Others include all Richard Burton/Liz Taylor movies - the ones they were in together.

Edit: Nothing against Liz Taylor - loved the original Father of the Bride, not that it was a great movie, but it was entertaining and "smart."

[JoeyT]

175. It's a Wonderful Life

Casablanca. Anything with John Wayne in it.

[Chalco]

177. Tree of Life

The worst movie ever.

[annonymous]

178. Shakesphere in Love and The Big Lebowski

The first was a rather frothy historical epic that I couldn't believe won so many Oscars, including the one for best picture. I hated The Big Lebowski and cannot understand why this film is considered funny. I thought the characters were incredibly foul mouthed and totally unlikeable.

[Plantaganet]

182. American Beauty

Absolute drivel. Homophobia isn't more acceptable just because the screenwriter is gay.

[cemaphonic]

219. wait, homophobia?

I'd agree with the general assessment that American Beauty is overrated, but the the homophobia in the story was coming from the least sympathetic character in a movie full of them.

[skippy911sc]

183. I can't believe what I have read!

Movies that are over-rated... Titanic, Avatar, The Apartment, The Graduate,Midnight Cowboy, Mash, Taxi Driver, Annie Hall, Midnight Express, Ordinary People... as you can see I am just running down the list of best picture nominees. But remember just because a film is over-rated doesn't mean it was bad. I can sit through almost any (ALMOST) piece of crap film it just depends on my mood. Sometimes I can't watch even the greatest of movies because my mood will not allow it. I think it is my mood that control my film approvals. I know there are many new films that get Heralded as the greatest ever and I watch 15 minutes and turn them off. Then there is that sleeper that is never mentioned in reviews and has a low budget that is a wonderful work of art. To each their own...

[beac]

184. Terms of Endearment.

I can't believe people found anything to like in that demoralizing, depressing, irritating crapfest.

[Burma Jones]

186. Rocky

[PatSeg]

194. I was going to post a few

BUT I don't think there are any movies left.

Some pretty brutal critics here, though I got the impression that some people aren't really big movie fans.

Oh well, it really is more a matter of taste. It was fun to read anyway.

[kaiden]

195. Howard's End.

The death scene with Vanessa Redgrave added twenty minutes to an already insufferably long movie.

[broiles]

198. Midnight in Paris. n/t

[NRaleighLiberal]

199. ...But this is interesting - one person's overrated is another's favorite

Some of the ones in the lists above that are among our very favorite movies (my wife and I, that is - we are pretty well aligned on movies) -

The Godfather
American Beauty
Close Encounters
It's A Wonderful Life
The Sting
Citizen Kane
Lost in Translation (one of our very, very favorites)
Donnie Darko
Casablanca
Babel
English Patient
Tree of Life (Thin Red Line is our favorite of his, though)
Color Purple
Howard's End

Great thing about the arts - no right or wrong answer...it's a personal experience, and it's what works for each of us.

[On the Road]

200. Viewers Come to Movies Looking for Very Different Things

and bringing very different histories and tastes. Many bad reviews of good movies seem to be the result of one of the following:

1) People often have difficulty distinguishing a movie they just couldn't get into at the time, or a movie with themes and characters they can't relate to, from a bad movie. IMDB message boards are full of posts consisting of little more than "I fell asleep," "I walked out," or "this sucked."

I saw Blade Runner years after it came out on VHS, and simply couldn't get into it. Maybe the expectations were too high, or maybe its innovations had become commonplace by the 90's. But I would never call it a lousy movie.

2) Movies are often judged by what the viewer expects the film to do rather than what the director is trying to do, which may be quite different. Countless posts complain "what was the point of X" when X had a very clear point and was crucial to the storyline or understanding the characters.

This was responsible for a lot of the outrage over Drive, which was a wonderful example of breaking expectations and mixing genres and standard plots. Didn't follow the pattern of an action movie? No, it didn't, which made it more shocking and confusing when things went wrong and turned violent. Main character just stood there not saying anything? The director wanted the audience to be taken aback a little and to pay attention to other cues (plus it was consistent with the character). Why was that kiss in the elevator all gussied up with slow-mo and magical lighting? Because that was the culmination of the entire relationship -- the only moment that it could ever be consummated.

3) Much of the audience seems to miss character development unless it is spelled out or brought about by common devices like "facing your fears." Several IMDB posters on Moonrise Kingdom made comments to the effect that the plot went nowhere, whereas virtually every character underwent some sort of growth or transformation. It takes a special set of blinders to miss that in that large a cast.

-----------------------

That's one reason IMO why older reviewers are sometimes kinder than newbies. Someone like Roger Ebert is open-minded enough and has been around a sufficiently long time that he can see better what was being attempted and can give credit even when the result was flawed, and why his reviews of a film like Snow White and the Hunter was much more positive than a lot of younger critics and message board posters.

Having said that, a lot of relatively simple, formulaic movies often receive high praise if they fall into certain genres or deal with certain themes. Million Dollar Baby was well crafted, but it never violated expectations, brought out surprising elements of the characters, or made the audience look or think deeply. For that reason, I didn't find it memorable, affecting, or thought-provoking in the least.

On the other hand, a movie like It's a Wonderful Life has some vocal detractors. It certainly contains some corny elements, a bizarre frame about angels, unecessary exposition, and caters to an 1940's small-town, middle-class sensibility. At the same time, it is one of the more subtle character studies of its era, all the more so because George Bailey is not a saint in the usual sense. It deals with odd themes that are hard to bring to life -- choosing responsibility over dreams and the importance of financial saving, building networks of friends, and affordable housing financed by involved, forgiving creditors. It's unique and deserves to be considered an all-time classic.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

205. Fight Club

It was terrible, just terrible. It's 2 hours of my life I'm never getting back.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

208. Spoiler: Prometheus is an over-hyped letdown to fans

So much for the bio-mechanoid "looks like it's growing out of the chair"

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It was a concept that inspired Farscape's living ship and Pilot.

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Prometheus is a HUGE disappointment to the Alien universe and was over-hyped with misleading images in the trailer.

Helmets?

Are you kidding me?

I almost walked out.

[Archae]

212. My review of "Close Encounters"

WOW!



WOW!

[bluedigger]

215. Anything by David Lynch. n/t

[Kennah]

218. Steel Magnolias

Borrowed from "Terms of Endearment" and injected a lotta smart ass schtick. Now, the smart ass schtick surrounding Shirley MacLaine was awesome, but overall story was Meh.

[SoDesuKa]

225. Older John Wayne Was Awful

Contrary to popular belief, John Wayne wasn't always a blowhard. His earlier work had some artistic merit, but his later work was just Wayne playing himself.

He stayed popular, but Rooster Cogburn, True Grit, and the rest of them were just bad movies.
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Young John Wayne

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[Tom Ripley]

226. But it was enjoyable seeing Bruce Dern kill him in "The Cowboys"