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wnylib

(21,432 posts)
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 07:20 PM Jan 2022

Success! Sometimes you just have to speak up.

Last edited Thu Jan 27, 2022, 05:09 AM - Edit history (1)

I live in a senior complex that consists of 3 multi-storied apartment buildings. For insurance and safety reasons, our fire alarm system in the halls and inside each apartment have to be inspected and tested once a year.

Last year it was done in May. On Monday, we were notified that the annual inspection would be done on Wednesday. Huh? It had not been a year. They were here just 8 months ago.

The infection rate in this area is 20%. Hospitalizations and deaths are going up. Breakthrough infections with omicron are common. Some people in these buildings are not vaccinated. These inspections, going from one apartment to the next sounded like a spreader event to me.

Sure, omicron is supposed to be not as severe as previous variants - if you are young and healthy. But we are all over 65 and there are many who have the range of health issues you can expect among seniors - diabetes, asthma, COPD, cancer. Breakthrough infections among us could be very serious.

I fumed about it and then called the management office. They didn't know anything about it, said that the maintenance manager handles the inspections. I read off the local infection statistics and reminded them of vulnerability problems among us. The complex manager agreed that January was early since they were here in May. He said I could refuse to let them in IF I signed a statement that it was due to covid concerns.

I expected a communications SNAFU with inspectors demanding to be let in. I was prepared to stand my ground. I am tired of avoiding bare-faced people and naked noses in public. I am tired of people who violate my space in public instead of distancing. I am tired of people who say that omicron is mild as I watch death and hospitalization statistics rise among seniors. I am tired of my doctor's receptionist on Monday whose oversized, loose mask kept slipping off her face while I checked in. I am tired of the doctor and her PA who wore their surgical masks at the tip of their noses without fitting the nose clip for a seal.

I need ONE SPACE in this world where I can feel safe - my home. I do not want strangers coming into it who might or might not be vaccinated, who might or might not wear a mask or wear it correctly, who might have picked up omicron and carried it from one apartment to the next. I do not want to risk that some stranger might carry the virus and leave it behind in the air of my home for me to inhale when I take my mask off after they leave.

But, my phone call worked beyond my expectations. After speaking to me, the complex's manager told the maintenance manager to reschedule the inspections for May, like last year, in the hope that things will look better then. Whew. I am relieved. The magats who live here won't care that I got a postponement, but I didn't do it for them. I did it for the rest of us.

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Success! Sometimes you just have to speak up. (Original Post) wnylib Jan 2022 OP
Way to go! You rock! MLAA Jan 2022 #1
Great job! SheltieLover Jan 2022 #2
Kudos to you for what you did. You probably suspect... brush Jan 2022 #3
One person CAN make a difference Deuxcents Jan 2022 #4
... UpInArms Jan 2022 #5
That's great news!!! I feel relieved myself, lol secondwind Jan 2022 #6
One person speaks silence bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #7
Good job! Wild blueberry Jan 2022 #8
Great job. I am a true believer in speaking up and speaking out. LoisB Jan 2022 #9
I had to do something. Last year, wnylib Jan 2022 #10
Ignorance is what is keeping this thing going. LoisB Jan 2022 #11
Good for you! yardwork Jan 2022 #12
I have been thinking about it wnylib Jan 2022 #18
HEY, You Grumpy Old Fart (GOF) - Good for you and, really good for them packman Jan 2022 #13
I am so glad that the fire alarm system PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #14
Ha! At first I thought you were my oldest sister. llmart Jan 2022 #15
I have usually been the kind who wnylib Jan 2022 #20
The owner of the buildings wnylib Jan 2022 #26
Excellent. Good for you for speaking up. niyad Jan 2022 #16
Bravo! I have done similar over the last two years. We have to be the sane ones sometimes. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #17
My building's fire alarms were inspected left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #19
I was in a house fire in the middle of the night wnylib Jan 2022 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #24
Good for you. LisaL Jan 2022 #21
Superb, wnylib! calimary Jan 2022 #22
Good work! mahina Jan 2022 #25
The complex manager should require the inspection company KS Toronado Jan 2022 #27
I keep a good supply of N95s at home. wnylib Jan 2022 #32
Good for you! LittleGirl Jan 2022 #28
That is awesome pandr32 Jan 2022 #29
our apartment complex consinare has suspended all that until all clear for covid . AllaN01Bear Jan 2022 #30
Perhaps the rules where you are are different, but I used to do that as one of the facets... BobTheSubgenius Jan 2022 #31
Great work malaise Jan 2022 #33
You know I will. wnylib Jan 2022 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jan 2022 #34

brush

(53,767 posts)
3. Kudos to you for what you did. You probably suspect...
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 07:31 PM
Jan 2022

as I do, that some money crossed palms somewhere...probably from the inspection company to the maintenance manager...for the benefit of the inspection company some way.

No way they'd take that job on four months early for no reason.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
10. I had to do something. Last year,
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 08:46 PM
Jan 2022

the inspectors were two young men. I met them in the hallway to check on masks. I was wearing mine but neither one of them even had one with them. They each said, "It's ok. I'm vaccinated." I said, "So am I. You still need a mask to enter my place." I reached inside where I had surgical masks ready, with the ear loops knotted to eliminate cheek gaps. I stood in the hall with them while they put them on to make sure that they sealed the nose clip before letting them in.

One of them had a thick beard, so there's no way he could get a proper seal. But that was before delta, when everyone thought the pandemic was over after the vaccinations.

This year is so different with omicron. If it was the same attitude and bearded guy, no way was he coming in my place.

yardwork

(61,595 posts)
12. Good for you!
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:10 PM
Jan 2022

Now, what about your doctor? I'm shocked about the office's lax approach. Time to switch doctors?

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
18. I have been thinking about it
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:44 PM
Jan 2022

ever since my appointment on Monday. There are other things that have had me thinking of looking for a new one. So maybe now is the time.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
14. I am so glad that the fire alarm system
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jan 2022

will be inspected in May. Good for you for speaking up.

I get tired of people who don't understand that a simple twist of the ear loop will shorten it enough so that the mask won't keep on drifting down. I have a small face, and quickly figured out the twist solves the problem of a too-large mask. It's hardly rocket science.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
15. Ha! At first I thought you were my oldest sister.
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:25 PM
Jan 2022

She doesn't live in NY though. She is a very educated, outspoken person, and has never given two hoots what people think of her. She lives in senior subsidized housing apartments where these sorts of inspections happen for various reasons. I spoke with her a couple days ago and she said they got a notice that it was time for termite inspection. She immediately contacted the building manager and said no one would be allowed to enter her apartment at this time. They tried to give her a little flak but she isn't easily intimidated, so she went above the manager's head and gave them her reasons for not letting anyone in. They backed down. She is as fierce as they come and she is very articulate and a retired medical librarian.

Her usual line is "I'm retired and I have all the time in the world to hound these people. I did not get to this age only to have some bozo bring Covid into my place."

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
20. I have usually been the kind who
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:54 PM
Jan 2022

would grit my teeth and put up with it, but covid has made me more assertive since I keep running into situations where I have to take a stand to protect myself.

I have become an assertive old geezer.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
26. The owner of the buildings
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 05:06 AM
Jan 2022

takes good care of his investment in them. Repairs and upkeep are done regularly by the maintenance people, under the supervision of the management office. The fire inspections are required by the owner's insurance company. That's why the manager told me that he wanted a signed statement from me about my covid concerns. He was covering his butt if questioned. NY has some good rental laws and covid rules, but sometimes you need to make sure that they are enforced. So I was prepared to contact a state agency if necessary. But it wasn't and I was glad to see it resolved by a phone call.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
19. My building's fire alarms were inspected
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:48 PM
Jan 2022

Everyone wore masks.
No big deal here.

There was a fire in an apartment of my building a couple years ago so we're very concerned about fire protection.

Sometimes you have to walk and chew gum at the same time.
That's life with covid.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
23. I was in a house fire in the middle of the night
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:10 PM
Jan 2022

when I was a teenager. Intense heat and smoke everywhere, but fortunately, we all got out OK. So I take fire safety very seriously.

But the buildings were all thoroughly inspected less than a year ago. The next inspection was not due yet. There was no need to do it early during the height of infection rates among the type of vulnerable population living in the buildings. The inspections were not permanently cancelled. They were rescheduled for the appropriate time, one year after the last inspection.

Sometimes you have to read a post and think at the same time.

Response to wnylib (Reply #23)

mahina

(17,646 posts)
25. Good work!
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 11:33 PM
Jan 2022

Plus the safety factor, all that stuff costs money and shouldn’t be required double time 🙌✨🤙🏼🤙🏼

KS Toronado

(17,201 posts)
27. The complex manager should require the inspection company
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 09:41 AM
Jan 2022

come May to wear N95 masks, I'm sure you'll twist his ear when the time comes.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
32. I keep a good supply of N95s at home.
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 02:13 PM
Jan 2022

If necessary, I will meet them in the hall with N95s in hand and wait until they mask up properly before letting them in.

But I should not have to do that. They should have their own N95s.

One reason why the infections, hospitalizations, and deaths are rising here is that people ignore the state mask mandate for public places. There are a lot of anti vaxxers here, too. The county vaccination rate is 53%. So I am constantly dealing with people who do not take covid seriously. I have to advocate for myself.

I think that my phone call where I read off local health department statistics made the manager concerned about his own liability if an outbreak occurred. NY has good rental laws to protect renters' rights and good covid precaution rules, including a mask mandate (which many locals ignore). But the laws and rules are only as good as the enforcement of them.

pandr32

(11,579 posts)
29. That is awesome
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 12:50 PM
Jan 2022

We need to advocate for ourselves reasonably and clearly. Someone has to be the grown-up in this society.

AllaN01Bear

(18,159 posts)
30. our apartment complex consinare has suspended all that until all clear for covid .
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 01:07 PM
Jan 2022

however some manditory things like fire systems must be done but they can do remotely at the main panel. they mainly test the hall annunciators , etc .good for u

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
31. Perhaps the rules where you are are different, but I used to do that as one of the facets...
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jan 2022

...of the job I used to do. Maybe an official from the muni building department or the fire marshal does that job there, but here, it was done by private companies.

We had an excellent reputation and worked to keep it that way. Still, things like your situation have happened. Unwilling tenant, missing key, whatever. All I had to do was make a notation on the checklist, and I was legally protected, and so was the company.

An "inspector" representing a company is more than willing to skip a device or two, but they have to keep careful records. It kept "us" out of court on a couple of occasions. All the damage was to structure, and none to humans or pets, thankfully.

Good job on your part!

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