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cab67

(2,992 posts)
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 02:06 PM Feb 2022

scale modelers?

I was unable to find a subforum that seemed appropriate for this. I'd originally posted it in General Discussion, but a couple of people suggested the Lounge. (I've never posted here before.) If there’s something I missed, please let me know and accept my apology.

My primary hobby is birding, but in bad weather, I sometimes make scale model aircraft. Most of the models I’ve built have been First World War era biplanes, but I’ve started moving into other historical periods. I’m building an F-100D Super Sabre right now, partly in honor of my father, who was in Vietnam early in the conflict (1963 or 1964), albeit as a translator in the Navy.

Anyway – I semi-completed this one last month:

This is a P-47D Thunderbolt in 1/48 scale. It’s based on Tamiya’s P-47M, which can be converted to the late-version P-47D I wanted to make easily enough. (Much more easily than a kit intended to be an earlier P-47D, in fact.).

The reason I’m showing this off is the markings. They were intended to match the plane my grandfather was photographed flying sometime in 1945.

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He was a flight instructor, so he would normally have flown trainers. As far as I know, he and his friends were joy-riding in some Thunderbolts that had arrived at their base in Texas.

This is very much an incomplete experiment. The cowling that would go over the propeller is missing, I messed up on the paint job in a couple of places, and I need to resize some of the decals I printed to match the markings on this particular plane. That, and I’m not really all that talented with this.

Building this did let me use my imagination a little. My grandfather never saw combat. But - what if he had? The plane would be the same, except for armaments (which in this case includes machine guns on the wings that are absent from the plane he was photographed flying, plus a drop tank because I felt like adding one) - but it also meant there might have been nose art.

Much of the nose art of the period was notably bawdy. I obviously wasn't going to put anything like that on the nose of this plane - I really don't want my grandparents going poltergeist on me for the rest of my life. I also wanted to display this at home, where my 6-year-old daughter would see it. (I may also make copies for my cousins, all of whom have small children.). Besides, it just wouldn't be appropriate, given who he was.

I thought about a couple of classical theatrical masks - the comedy and tragedy masks - because he was a professor in theater arts after the war. But I decided to do what many pilots of the time did - put the name of his sweetheart (my grandmother) on the plane. He was absolutely dedicated to her.

The saddest part is that I’d intended to make one for my uncle. (My mother passed away several years ago.). But he died suddenly late last year, so I didn’t get the chance.
Anyway – this one means something to me. And the next one will be better.

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(As an aside – there are web sites that list every single P-47 ever built and its ultimate fate. The plane my grandfather flew ended up in the Chilean Air Force at some point. I’m sure it’s scrapped by now.)



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scale modelers? (Original Post) cab67 Feb 2022 OP
If memory serves they were referred to as Jugs. gibraltar72 Feb 2022 #1
correct cab67 Feb 2022 #3
Nice! Thanks for posting. sl8 Feb 2022 #2
Superb Work! Well Done! Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #4
Excellent work, details Marthe48 Feb 2022 #5
That Is A Nice Piece Of Work, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2022 #6
Tester's Acryl aluminum cab67 Feb 2022 #10
A Very Good Job Of It, Then The Magistrate Feb 2022 #14
those are excellent! cab67 Feb 2022 #18
What plane is that on the bottom? malthaussen Feb 2022 #21
It Is A Curtiss YP-37, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2022 #22
I thought it had a Curtiss family look. malthaussen Feb 2022 #23
My husband is a serious 1/72nd scale aircraft modeler. 3catwoman3 Feb 2022 #7
Not familiar with it cab67 Feb 2022 #12
Nicely done! But I have a question about the photo... malthaussen Feb 2022 #8
Things were different back then. cab67 Feb 2022 #9
From th photo, your granpa looks almost too tall to fit in the driver's seat... malthaussen Feb 2022 #19
I use to glue models together when I was a boy. Recently I went to Emile Feb 2022 #11
Today's kits are a lot more complex cab67 Feb 2022 #13
I would need some of those vintage cheaper sets Emile Feb 2022 #15
I wouldn't describe myself as "good," though I appreciate the complement. cab67 Feb 2022 #16
What kind of ship are you hoping to build? Emile Feb 2022 #20
another resource cab67 Feb 2022 #17

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
4. Superb Work! Well Done!
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 03:12 PM
Feb 2022

The P-47 was a beast of an airplane. You have done some great modeling there and it is a fine tribute to your grandfather.

Marthe48

(16,935 posts)
5. Excellent work, details
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 03:21 PM
Feb 2022

My neighbor built scale model sternwheelers. I saw several of his finished models, and thought they were wonderful. I visited the local Ohio River Museum in Marietta, Ohio. I knew he had willed some of his models to the museum, but I didn't know that there are several other artists/craftsman who have also built sternwheeler models.

Wonderful way to make the era come alive. I liked the comments, too. Thanks for sharing

cab67

(2,992 posts)
10. Tester's Acryl aluminum
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 10:54 AM
Feb 2022

The entire Acryl line has been discontinued, but Tamiya also makes a good acrylic aluminum paint.

I prefer acrylics to enamel - safer in s home with a small child and several pets, and I don’t like dealing with paint thinner.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
14. A Very Good Job Of It, Then
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:29 AM
Feb 2022

I never had much luck getting good coverage with that. Their old enamel silver never quite dries, somehow.

I am of the 'nothing looks so like metal as metal' school, and use foil for BMF.



malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
21. What plane is that on the bottom?
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:12 AM
Feb 2022

It looks like a P-40B with the cockpit ridiculously far back. Was there an actual prototype? I don't know enough about aerodynamics to know if the centre of gravity would make the thing unflyable, but it would surely be difficult to see over the nose of the plane in combat.

-- Mal

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
22. It Is A Curtiss YP-37, Sir
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:55 AM
Feb 2022

The Army was intending to shift from radial motors to 'V' in-lines for improved streamlining, and hoped to employ a turbo-supercharger for better speed at high altitudes. Accordingly, a P-36 was fitted with an Allison motor, lengthening the nose a great deal. The radiators were mounted internally, behind the motor, in an effort to further reduce drag. This necessitated moving the cockpit back nearer the tail. Thirteen were built for operational trials. You are correct that the pilot had a very poor view, particularly when taxi-ing or landing, and a good many of the batch were wiped out in accidents on the ground. The experimental supercharger did not work out either, owing to problems of metallurgy and with manual control of the device. The thing was really conceived as test-bed rather than a serious attempt at a fighting machine. It does have a look to it, though, and it took the popular aviation magazines of the time by storm as a subject for cover illustrations, and appeared as a hero's personal machine in some comic books.


Here is some more information, and some more pictures....


https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235012836-curtiss-yp-37-8th-pursuit-group-hq-flight-1940/#comment-2558595

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
23. I thought it had a Curtiss family look.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:59 AM
Feb 2022

Thanks for the info about the plane. That period of aviation is so interesting, with all kinds of weird airplanes being built.

The difficulties with the supercharger explain why the Allison-engined P-40s were such pigs at altitude.

-- Mal

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
7. My husband is a serious 1/72nd scale aircraft modeler.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 10:24 PM
Feb 2022

His dad built P-47s at Republic during WW II. My husband has 4 separate, LARGE display cabinets in the house, one of which is in our dining room! I'd told him I would agree to that only if he restricted that display to propeller airplanes. I like the look of those better that fighters.

Do you know about IPMS - International Plastic Modelers' Society? They have chapter all over the world. It's a good way to meet people who share this interest.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
8. Nicely done! But I have a question about the photo...
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 10:40 AM
Feb 2022

... any idea why the number on the cowl is also floating in midair above the national insignia?

-- Mal

cab67

(2,992 posts)
9. Things were different back then.
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 10:52 AM
Feb 2022

Seriously, though - that’s a photoshop mistake on my part. I was copying various parts to work on them in Illustrator and accidentally pasted it there. I didn’t notice until after I’d re-flattened the image.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
19. From th photo, your granpa looks almost too tall to fit in the driver's seat...
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:04 AM
Feb 2022

... tall, lanky guys usually had a hard time as fighter pilots for just that reason.

-- Mal

Emile

(22,674 posts)
11. I use to glue models together when I was a boy. Recently I went to
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:00 AM
Feb 2022

a hobby store and checked out the models. I was looking for the Navy ship I was stationed on. What blew me away was the prices on these models. My lord, back when I was a kid they were only a buck or two. Now they want $30.00 $40.00 for them.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
13. Today's kits are a lot more complex
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:08 AM
Feb 2022

I’ve built a couple of vintage kits (all biplanes). They went together quickly, and they looked nice, but the level of detail in contemporary kits is a lot higher.

Kind of a shame in a way, too, because a lot of that detail is for the interior, which is difficult to see in a completed model. But you learn a lot building it.

Emile

(22,674 posts)
15. I would need some of those vintage cheaper sets
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:53 AM
Feb 2022

to practice on before tackling a more complex detailed model. I had a tendency to over glue when I was a boy. In other words, I wasn't that good at as you.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
16. I wouldn't describe myself as "good," though I appreciate the complement.
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:40 PM
Feb 2022

There are modelers out there who build aircraft so realistic that a clever Photoshop artist could take a picture, take out the actual plane, add a model of the same plane, and it would take a long time for anyone to notice the difference.

I haven't taken the next step up and started "weathering" my planes - in other words, adding pigment intended to replicate grease and soot around engines and exhausts, chipped paint, and dirt on the undercarriage.

What kind of ship are you hoping to build?

FWIW, there are some really good online model distributors who might have what you're looking for - squadron.com, megahobby.com, spruebrothers.com, and hobbylinc.com are good choices. You can also buy older kits on eBay - I've done that myself a few times, especially when I want to replace an older model I made that one of my cats decided should be able to fly if it were knocked off the shelf.

Emile

(22,674 posts)
20. What kind of ship are you hoping to build?
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:09 AM
Feb 2022

I was stationed on the USS Albany CG 10
I was also stationed on the USS Yosemite AD 19

cab67

(2,992 posts)
17. another resource
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:43 PM
Feb 2022

is ospreypublishing.com. They mostly publish books on military history and related subjects, but they also have manuals on modelling. I'm mostly familiar with their aircraft modelling books, but they might have some naval volumes as well. (Most can be bought either as hard copy or pdf.)

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