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I was unable to find a subforum that seemed appropriate for this. I'd originally posted it in General Discussion, but a couple of people suggested the Lounge. (I've never posted here before.) If theres something I missed, please let me know and accept my apology.
My primary hobby is birding, but in bad weather, I sometimes make scale model aircraft. Most of the models Ive built have been First World War era biplanes, but Ive started moving into other historical periods. Im building an F-100D Super Sabre right now, partly in honor of my father, who was in Vietnam early in the conflict (1963 or 1964), albeit as a translator in the Navy.
Anyway I semi-completed this one last month:
This is a P-47D Thunderbolt in 1/48 scale. Its based on Tamiyas P-47M, which can be converted to the late-version P-47D I wanted to make easily enough. (Much more easily than a kit intended to be an earlier P-47D, in fact.).
The reason Im showing this off is the markings. They were intended to match the plane my grandfather was photographed flying sometime in 1945.
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He was a flight instructor, so he would normally have flown trainers. As far as I know, he and his friends were joy-riding in some Thunderbolts that had arrived at their base in Texas.
This is very much an incomplete experiment. The cowling that would go over the propeller is missing, I messed up on the paint job in a couple of places, and I need to resize some of the decals I printed to match the markings on this particular plane. That, and Im not really all that talented with this.
Building this did let me use my imagination a little. My grandfather never saw combat. But - what if he had? The plane would be the same, except for armaments (which in this case includes machine guns on the wings that are absent from the plane he was photographed flying, plus a drop tank because I felt like adding one) - but it also meant there might have been nose art.
Much of the nose art of the period was notably bawdy. I obviously wasn't going to put anything like that on the nose of this plane - I really don't want my grandparents going poltergeist on me for the rest of my life. I also wanted to display this at home, where my 6-year-old daughter would see it. (I may also make copies for my cousins, all of whom have small children.). Besides, it just wouldn't be appropriate, given who he was.
I thought about a couple of classical theatrical masks - the comedy and tragedy masks - because he was a professor in theater arts after the war. But I decided to do what many pilots of the time did - put the name of his sweetheart (my grandmother) on the plane. He was absolutely dedicated to her.
The saddest part is that Id intended to make one for my uncle. (My mother passed away several years ago.). But he died suddenly late last year, so I didnt get the chance.
Anyway this one means something to me. And the next one will be better.
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(As an aside there are web sites that list every single P-47 ever built and its ultimate fate. The plane my grandfather flew ended up in the Chilean Air Force at some point. Im sure its scrapped by now.)
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)sl8
(13,745 posts)You might like Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles excellent 8 part series on the P-47:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD2EcpzcvT-tvemNaIYUfZfV3s8K8Gbgh
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)The P-47 was a beast of an airplane. You have done some great modeling there and it is a fine tribute to your grandfather.
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)My neighbor built scale model sternwheelers. I saw several of his finished models, and thought they were wonderful. I visited the local Ohio River Museum in Marietta, Ohio. I knew he had willed some of his models to the museum, but I didn't know that there are several other artists/craftsman who have also built sternwheeler models.
Wonderful way to make the era come alive. I liked the comments, too. Thanks for sharing
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)What did you use for the bare metal finish?
cab67
(2,992 posts)The entire Acryl line has been discontinued, but Tamiya also makes a good acrylic aluminum paint.
I prefer acrylics to enamel - safer in s home with a small child and several pets, and I dont like dealing with paint thinner.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)I never had much luck getting good coverage with that. Their old enamel silver never quite dries, somehow.
I am of the 'nothing looks so like metal as metal' school, and use foil for BMF.
cab67
(2,992 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)It looks like a P-40B with the cockpit ridiculously far back. Was there an actual prototype? I don't know enough about aerodynamics to know if the centre of gravity would make the thing unflyable, but it would surely be difficult to see over the nose of the plane in combat.
-- Mal
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)The Army was intending to shift from radial motors to 'V' in-lines for improved streamlining, and hoped to employ a turbo-supercharger for better speed at high altitudes. Accordingly, a P-36 was fitted with an Allison motor, lengthening the nose a great deal. The radiators were mounted internally, behind the motor, in an effort to further reduce drag. This necessitated moving the cockpit back nearer the tail. Thirteen were built for operational trials. You are correct that the pilot had a very poor view, particularly when taxi-ing or landing, and a good many of the batch were wiped out in accidents on the ground. The experimental supercharger did not work out either, owing to problems of metallurgy and with manual control of the device. The thing was really conceived as test-bed rather than a serious attempt at a fighting machine. It does have a look to it, though, and it took the popular aviation magazines of the time by storm as a subject for cover illustrations, and appeared as a hero's personal machine in some comic books.
Here is some more information, and some more pictures....
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235012836-curtiss-yp-37-8th-pursuit-group-hq-flight-1940/#comment-2558595
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)Thanks for the info about the plane. That period of aviation is so interesting, with all kinds of weird airplanes being built.
The difficulties with the supercharger explain why the Allison-engined P-40s were such pigs at altitude.
-- Mal
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)His dad built P-47s at Republic during WW II. My husband has 4 separate, LARGE display cabinets in the house, one of which is in our dining room! I'd told him I would agree to that only if he restricted that display to propeller airplanes. I like the look of those better that fighters.
Do you know about IPMS - International Plastic Modelers' Society? They have chapter all over the world. It's a good way to meet people who share this interest.
cab67
(2,992 posts)But Ill check it out.
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)... any idea why the number on the cowl is also floating in midair above the national insignia?
-- Mal
cab67
(2,992 posts)Seriously, though - thats a photoshop mistake on my part. I was copying various parts to work on them in Illustrator and accidentally pasted it there. I didnt notice until after Id re-flattened the image.
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)... tall, lanky guys usually had a hard time as fighter pilots for just that reason.
-- Mal
Emile
(22,674 posts)a hobby store and checked out the models. I was looking for the Navy ship I was stationed on. What blew me away was the prices on these models. My lord, back when I was a kid they were only a buck or two. Now they want $30.00 $40.00 for them.
cab67
(2,992 posts)Ive built a couple of vintage kits (all biplanes). They went together quickly, and they looked nice, but the level of detail in contemporary kits is a lot higher.
Kind of a shame in a way, too, because a lot of that detail is for the interior, which is difficult to see in a completed model. But you learn a lot building it.
Emile
(22,674 posts)to practice on before tackling a more complex detailed model. I had a tendency to over glue when I was a boy. In other words, I wasn't that good at as you.
cab67
(2,992 posts)There are modelers out there who build aircraft so realistic that a clever Photoshop artist could take a picture, take out the actual plane, add a model of the same plane, and it would take a long time for anyone to notice the difference.
I haven't taken the next step up and started "weathering" my planes - in other words, adding pigment intended to replicate grease and soot around engines and exhausts, chipped paint, and dirt on the undercarriage.
What kind of ship are you hoping to build?
FWIW, there are some really good online model distributors who might have what you're looking for - squadron.com, megahobby.com, spruebrothers.com, and hobbylinc.com are good choices. You can also buy older kits on eBay - I've done that myself a few times, especially when I want to replace an older model I made that one of my cats decided should be able to fly if it were knocked off the shelf.
Emile
(22,674 posts)I was stationed on the USS Albany CG 10
I was also stationed on the USS Yosemite AD 19
cab67
(2,992 posts)is ospreypublishing.com. They mostly publish books on military history and related subjects, but they also have manuals on modelling. I'm mostly familiar with their aircraft modelling books, but they might have some naval volumes as well. (Most can be bought either as hard copy or pdf.)