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laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:38 AM Jan 2012

Ok, forget pet stores, WTF is with people bringing their goddamn dog to the mall?

It seems that every time I go to the mall, there are at least two different people who have their goddamned dogs with them. I like dogs, but really, this is ridiculous.

The mall has a service animals only rule. Your fucking rat-terrier in a baby stroller isn't a service dog, it's just stupid.

What about the people with pet allergies? Do they just have to suffer because you wanted to bring your corgi to Macy's Home? Does the dog really care if you get the pastel blue mixer instead of the yellow one? Are you buying the blue mixer to make organic dog biscuits? (Note: I've worked in an organic dog biscuit bakery.)

Oh, and by all means, cry foul when that mean clerk kicks you out of Nordstrom because your husky is shedding on the clothes rack.

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Ok, forget pet stores, WTF is with people bringing their goddamn dog to the mall? (Original Post) laconicsax Jan 2012 OP
Oh, FFS, Lighten up Francis! Why do you hate visually impaired people???? madinmaryland Jan 2012 #1
A rat terrier in a baby stroller helps people see? madmom Jan 2012 #10
... Amerigo Vespucci Jan 2012 #12
I agree. madmom Jan 2012 #16
Amen! Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2012 #30
I think it is sad to see these "proud" owners with their dogs donning bandanas strutting around DrDan Jan 2012 #53
I don't know of any malls that allow dogs except the rare special event (Christmas-Santa with pets0 hlthe2b Jan 2012 #2
Playing devils advocate quakerboy Jan 2012 #18
As stated.. most allergies are secondary allergies hlthe2b Jan 2012 #22
I'm allergic to cats AND dogs. I'm a dog lover. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2012 #48
Fucking Paris Hilton and her wannabes, what a fucking goal, to be like PH. siligut Jan 2012 #20
I see people walk their dogs on a leash into Safeway here all the time. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #5
Raised eyebrows is about all the feedback it elicits here. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #4
I would think the opposite of self-absorbed... targetpractice Jan 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #17
I get it, I get it.. You don't like dogs or dog owners. targetpractice Jan 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #23
Wow pintobean Jan 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #27
I think we've argued on the same team (passionately) defending Apple in other threads... targetpractice Jan 2012 #31
I like that revision. n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #32
There have been times before when I've seen a post of yours and disagreed with it petronius Jan 2012 #38
Wait...you'd leave a 2-year-old at home alone while you go out to dinner? laconicsax Jan 2012 #34
I didn't write "home alone" ... You did. targetpractice Jan 2012 #40
It was certainly implied. laconicsax Jan 2012 #46
You are being ridiculous, and I'm sure you'll keep going... targetpractice Jan 2012 #51
I'm just glad to hear that you wouldn't leave a toddler home alone. laconicsax Jan 2012 #55
I've never seen a dog in the mall TheCruces Jan 2012 #6
The best part is when you can see the owner going out of their way to avoid the mall security people laconicsax Jan 2012 #33
Went into a Home Depot a few years ago... MicaelS Jan 2012 #8
I have seen a couple of those tiny rat-like dogs HappyMe Jan 2012 #9
Because the dogs enjoy being with their owners... targetpractice Jan 2012 #13
because the only reason they have it as a fasion accessory TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #47
Ignorant post CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #50
How about women who bring their 11 year old boys into the ladies room at graywarrior Jan 2012 #11
I understand that, though. I have read horror stories over the years tblue37 Jan 2012 #19
And some of us have normal-looking, but developmentally Ilsa Jan 2012 #35
This kid was not a special needs kid graywarrior Jan 2012 #39
Maybe they're just trying to pintobean Jan 2012 #15
I live in Miami, and people bring dogs everywhere. I love it! lunamagica Jan 2012 #24
I've seen one taking a shit IcyPeas Jan 2012 #25
The dogs, especially the little ones, have separation anxiety CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #28
Yeah...there's nothing unsanitary about a dog pissing on the floor in the food court. n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #36
You seem to bound and determined to be hostile to dog owners CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #41
I don't think dogs belong in malls...however... TheCruces Jan 2012 #43
I don't have anything against dog owners. laconicsax Jan 2012 #45
this stuff is well known CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #49
Why shouldn't I get worked up with someone's dog pissing all over a public place? laconicsax Jan 2012 #56
sad when you have to resort to that CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #57
Come to Portland, go to the Clackamas Town Square mall. laconicsax Jan 2012 #58
and you do it again...(sigh) CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #59
I accept your apology. n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author targetpractice Jan 2012 #42
Here in Austin Texasgal Jan 2012 #29
I wouldn't want dog fur on the clothes Ilsa Jan 2012 #37
Saw it a lot in France. progressoid Jan 2012 #44
Berlin, too. targetpractice Jan 2012 #52
People here bring their dogs to Lowe's. I don't know why they TwilightGardener Jan 2012 #54
Sheesh so much venom towards dog owners nadine_mn Jan 2012 #60
I keep seeing it in an indoor mall. laconicsax Jan 2012 #62

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
12. ...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jan 2012


Seriously, it's not all seeing eye dogs. When I was a member of the Campbell Chamber of Commerce, the local yuppies had their undies in a bunch because they couldn't bring their dogs to the downtown farmers market.

Dogs are like screaming kids in restaurants. They do not have to be taken EVERYWHERE. They do not have to be shared with EVERYONE.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,546 posts)
30. Amen!
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jan 2012

Where I live (Everett, WA) it seems like everyone (and I know it's not everyone, it just seems like it!) brings Fido into the grocery store. Then they pitch a fit when asked to remove the dog! The Health Department ought to be there to give out warnings...........

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
53. I think it is sad to see these "proud" owners with their dogs donning bandanas strutting around
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jan 2012

public venues - just dying for some attention.

Must be sad to be so irrelevant.

hlthe2b

(102,141 posts)
2. I don't know of any malls that allow dogs except the rare special event (Christmas-Santa with pets0
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 04:28 AM
Jan 2012

And, I never would do so or elsewhere that dogs are not allowed. That said, your discussion of the pet allergy issue is grossly disproprotionate, given that the overwhelming majority of actual severe human allergies are not to dogs, but to other environmental allergens, including dust mites, pollen, etc. and cat dander. Despite notions and long held assumptions to the contrary, few people have dogs as their primary and most severe allergy trigger. Even then, to suggest such casual exposure to be a trigger would suggest a situation severe enough that we would have to ban people from walking through the mall (or elsewhere in public) with their cat hair and dander-laden clothing--which of course is ridiculous.

While, I can appreciate your irritation that some people try to break the rules with their dogs by bringing their little mini breeds inside a carreier of some type, why the k'niption fit overall about dogs out in public? This is your second rant about them. What really is your issue?

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
18. Playing devils advocate
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 04:15 PM
Jan 2012

Some of us, no idea how many, have medically tested dog allergies.

My personal dog allergy is moderate compared to other allergies. Cats are much worse for me. So, exposure to dogs is not going to cause my throat to close up and stop breathing. But it might cause me to be a bit itchy for no apparent reason, or to end up congested.

Full disclosure, in my case, I might have a hard time were I to make my argument in a court of law, because I choose to expose myself to dogs, and even cats, despite the consequences. I love animals. While I would have a hard time sharing a home with one, I would hate to live a life completely without them, even if it meant clear sinuses for life.

But if I were to stay clear of dogs in my personal life, would it become ok to expose me, because its not my "primary and severe" allergy, because it might only cause me discomfort and not death?


hlthe2b

(102,141 posts)
22. As stated.. most allergies are secondary allergies
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jan 2012

as in your case. You just underscored my point. Unfortunately, the notion that dogs are likely to be a PRIMARY allergen has been propagated so long that it is hard to dispel--even with some Primary Care Docs, not well trained in the area. This issue is not whether there are some people who have confirmed allergies to dogs (though those with a primary allergy to dogs, to the exclusion of other environmental antigens) is exceedingly rare..

You simply confirmed what I was saying. Becoming obsessive about casual and non-contact exposure to dogs, even if you did have a low level allergy is no more sensical than thinking the world can protect you from dust mites, pollen, cat dander or anything else. Are you going to sue the friend whose house is not free of dust mites, or low level chemical residues? Or has latex gloves or peanuts in their cupboard? Each of these are far more likely than a casual distant exposure to a dog to trigger a very serious attack among those with serious allergies to those antigens. The oneness is sort of on the individual with that kind and level of allergy to avoid and seek desensitization therapy. Or live in a bubble. Not trying to be unsympathetic, because I am both personally and professional very aware of the issues. But there are necessary interventions to protect even the minority of people and then there are those that have no practical or evidence-based justification. When we remove all dogs from the world for those who are far more antagonistic about the issue than you, will we next go after the wild ducks and geese, cats, rabbits, squirrels and the like--all which might trigger some kind of reaction in some one (or at least they think they do)?

You ended by asking "would it become ok to expose me, because its not my "primary and severe" allergy, because it might only cause me discomfort and not death? " The fact is that no one has the right to send their dog uninvited up into your lap, your face, your personal space. Just walking along the same section of a mall ten feet, twelve feet, 15 feet away is NOT sufficient to trigger an allergy. Close containment for extended periods of time with physical contact in a small space--sure. That is hardly what happens when you casually walk past a dog with its owner. I think physicians of patients with allergies have really got to do better job educating on this point. Having said that, I think you do understand this from the way you described in your own post, but if not, I hope I have reassured you, or at least given you some questions to ask of your own allergy specialist.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
48. I'm allergic to cats AND dogs. I'm a dog lover.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:24 AM
Jan 2012

I don't think you can completely eliminate the dander in any house with dogs or cats in it.

I'm also allergic to assorted pollens and dust that were mentioned. I can't live in a large baggie but I wish I could.

I know somebody that has several indoor cats. She swears that because she has a maid in twice a week to vacuum and sweep, that her house is tolerable to people with cat allergies. Well, guess what? I stayed at her house and my eyes were red all the time. And I was taking cortisone each day as well. I looked like I was on a week-long bender.

I'm allergic to most dogs. I once had an Old English Sheepdog fall in love with me. I went to a lady's apartment with a group of people, and the dog knew I was a dog person. It climbed in my lap and started licking my arm. Instant red itchy rash started forming. I went to the sink and washed my arms to try to get the dog slobber off. The owner was embarrassed but couldn't really do anything about it.

I am allergic to wool, because that is animal hair as well. I once got a bottle of hand lotion and put some on my face. My faced turned red and burned. I looked at the ingredients to see if I could figure out what was happening. I found "lanolin" on the ingredient list. That is oil from sheep's wool. Bingo!

I have a friend with a Boston Terrier. It is very short haired. It started licking my legs. I thought I was gonna break out or itch, but it didn't happen. That Boston Terrier is my new best friend!!

siligut

(12,272 posts)
20. Fucking Paris Hilton and her wannabes, what a fucking goal, to be like PH.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jan 2012

At least that would be my complaint. Maybe some dogs don't like to be left alone, but PH made carrying about a small dog de rigueur, and thus, it is small minded. Plus a WHOLE bunch of other crap about PH.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
3. I see people walk their dogs on a leash into Safeway here all the time.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:40 AM
Jan 2012

I remember the good 'ol days when that was actually frowned upon. Nobody seems to mind though.

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targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
14. I would think the opposite of self-absorbed...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 03:14 PM
Jan 2012

Dogs really love their people companions, and are overjoyed to be taken to new places... I think people that do so are showing love and consideration for their dog... The self-absorbed assholes are the ones that leave the dog alone for hours upon end... in a crate, tied to a tree, etc.

I believe dogs are as smart and emotional as a toddler... I wouldn't leave my 2 year old at home when going to the mall, but would if I went out to dinner.

Upon edit: I live in NYC, so I don't really know if I'd take my dog into a "mall"... Luckily, I don't have to make that choice.

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targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
31. I think we've argued on the same team (passionately) defending Apple in other threads...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jan 2012

I'm bummed we differ about this issue... But, that's what being part of a community is all about.

Peace.

petronius

(26,598 posts)
38. There have been times before when I've seen a post of yours and disagreed with it
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jan 2012

This is not one of those times...

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
34. Wait...you'd leave a 2-year-old at home alone while you go out to dinner?
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:42 PM
Jan 2012

That's the most irresponsible thing I've heard all week.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
46. It was certainly implied.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 02:45 AM
Jan 2012

You wrote:

The self-absorbed assholes are the ones that leave the dog alone for hours upon end... in a crate, tied to a tree, etc.

The very next thing was:
I believe dogs are as smart and emotional as a toddler... I wouldn't leave my 2 year old at home when going to the mall, but would if I went out to dinner.


For someone who wasn't implying they'd leave a toddler home alone, you certainly did a masterful job of it.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
51. You are being ridiculous, and I'm sure you'll keep going...
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jan 2012

...since this thread is mental masturbation for you.

Nobody in their right mind would leave a 2 year old home alone... It's not obvious to infer that I meant that, unless you were biased against me for some reason, probably because I love dogs.

Anyways, enough of this... Enjoy your weekend.

TheCruces

(224 posts)
6. I've never seen a dog in the mall
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:02 AM
Jan 2012

The only stores I've ever seen people bring dogs is pet and feed stores. I'd consider both of those acceptable places to bring a dog.

Personally, I don't bring my dog to any stores. She's not very friendly on a leash in public. Perfectly friendly in other situations, though.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
33. The best part is when you can see the owner going out of their way to avoid the mall security people
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:38 PM
Jan 2012

It's almost as if they know that they're not supposed to bring their dog into the mall...

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
8. Went into a Home Depot a few years ago...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:12 AM
Jan 2012

Saw a woman with a small dog in baby carrier. Stared a minute, said WTF to myself. and kept walking. Haven't seen a dog in a mall because basically I quit going into malls.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
9. I have seen a couple of those tiny rat-like dogs
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:17 AM
Jan 2012

in ladies' purses, and one in a stroller.

I don't understand why they don't just leave it at home.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
13. Because the dogs enjoy being with their owners...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jan 2012

...And, the owners enjoy being with their dogs.

I miss my dog when I can't take her with me... She likes going places with me, and I enjoy making her happy. She's taught me a lot about empathy and about the importance of doing little things for others.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
47. because the only reason they have it as a fasion accessory
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:42 AM
Jan 2012

No dog belongs in a purse. They have legs and need to use them. I really fucking hate people that feel the need to make a dog suffer as a fashion accessory or substitute baby. If you're carrying a dog around in a purse, pushing it around in a stroller or just in your arms everywhere you go and not allowing it to walk on its own there's some kind of fashion thing going on or you're that desperate for a baby.

A dog is not a fashion accessory nor a substitute baby.

Dogs being forced to wear clothes, have their nails painted or even their hair dyed also pisses me off. It's a fucking DOG, not a baby doll.


CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
50. Ignorant post
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:58 AM
Jan 2012

There are good reasons for a small dog to be in a carrier or a stroller. The smallest dogs have a limited exercise capacity and can only walk so far. They want to be with their human companions as much as possible and love getting out and about just as much as the bigger dogs, and why shouldn't they? A lot of dogs have mobility issues too, due to age or joint problems. Seriously, all it takes for you to "fucking hate" someone is to see them pushing a dog in a stroller?

You should also not assume that anyone who dotes on a dog is "desperate for a baby". It is not only dead wrong, it's offensive.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
19. I understand that, though. I have read horror stories over the years
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jan 2012

about young boys being molested in men's rooms when sent into them by themselves. My guess is that some motehrs feel it is better (safer) to bring their pre-adolescent boys into the women's room when they need to go to the bathroom than to send them alone into a men's room.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
35. And some of us have normal-looking, but developmentally
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:43 PM
Jan 2012

impaired children. I take my autistic 15 yo in with me when his younger brother or father isn't available.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
24. I live in Miami, and people bring dogs everywhere. I love it!
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jan 2012

At the local mall, dogs are welcome as long as they are in strollers.

Whenever I go, I get to see at least three (if no more) doggies.

I can't have a dog of my own, so this way I can get my doggie fix.

Someone on the thread compared dogs in a mall to screaming children in a restaurant. Are you kidding me?

Not once, not ONCE have I heard any of these dogs make a noise. They don't run around. they sit quietely (and so adorably!) in their strollers, looking around, enjoying their little adventure.

I haven't seen anyone sneezing, or being bothered in anyway by the pooches' presence. In fact, few even seem to notice them being there.

Like someone said, I'm glad they are not left home alone, or tied to a tree.

They deserve better.

IcyPeas

(21,842 posts)
25. I've seen one taking a shit
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:08 PM
Jan 2012

while the oblivious human pulled it along. she finally turned around and saw it and "cleaned it up" but how disgusting. It was an outdoor high end mall in los angeles too. Imagine if she had been in a store!! dogs will be dogs

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
28. The dogs, especially the little ones, have separation anxiety
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jan 2012

That's probably why they bring them. I have a 5 lb. Maltese who has severe separation anxiety which can lead to physical distress like uncontrollable shaking and breathing difficulties. Nothing we've tried has made a difference, so my husband and I arrange our schedules so one of us can always be with him. He's the most wonderful little guy in the world and more than deserving of the extra effort.

We don't bring him to malls or other places he's not allowed (although I really don't see how my tiny dog in an enclosed carrier is going to pose a hazard to anyone). We have a number of local businesses (bookstores, etc) that have a "dogs welcome" policy, and it works out very well. I love meeting the pooches, personally, even if it means dealing with the occasional negligent owner.

I'm far more menaced by the public diaper-changers (much greater biohazard to humans than anything from a dog). The world is a very germy place, and the nastiest germs come from people.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
41. You seem to bound and determined to be hostile to dog owners
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:16 AM
Jan 2012

Your comment doesn't even make sense in relation to mine - I said I didn't see how my small dog in an enclosed carrier posed a hazard to anyone. I don't see how he could manage to piss on the floor while in an enclosed carrier. Either you don't read before responding or you're just determined to be combative.

And, frankly, if you think there's anything remotely sanitary about a mall food court, you are living in a dream. I guarantee you every surface is contaminated with human feces, urine, mucous, etc -- all of which is a FAR greater hazard to your health than anything a dog could leave behind. Do you understand that simple fact?

TheCruces

(224 posts)
43. I don't think dogs belong in malls...however...
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:58 AM
Jan 2012

I don't think a dog can do anything to make a mall food court any less sanitary. I won't eat in mall food courts. I worked in one in HS.

My dog hangs out in the kitchen...and sometimes she sleeps in my bed (and sometimes in her bed and sometimes outside...it's her choice). I don't think having her in the kitchen is unsanitary. It's not like she's on the counters or anything.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
45. I don't have anything against dog owners.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 02:40 AM
Jan 2012

I have a problem with people taking their pets to a place where the pets aren't allowed. Your dog may be unable to relieve himself at the food court, but the dog I saw about a year and a half ago certainly was.

The owner turned bright red, sheepishly apologized to the people in the vicinity, then got into a shouting match with a couple security guards because they had the audacity to inform her that she was to leave the mall and not bring her dog back.

I'd like to see the epidemiological studies and reports supporting both your assertions that every surface of a food court is contaminated with human feces and urine, and that mucous is a significantly greater health hazard than dog feces. They'd go quite far in establishing what you assert to be fact.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
49. this stuff is well known
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:29 AM
Jan 2012

The first couple of links Google brought up for me:

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2011/11/25/Shoppers-warned-of-mall-germs/UPI-67451322250282/

http://www.kdbc.com/news/health/eating-off-of-a-toilet-mall-food-court-food-trays-have-just-as-much-germs-as-toilet

People don't wash their hands and they touch everything in a food court (not to mention food residue that is usually not cleaned up properly). Many surfaces are rarely cleaned, or worse, they're swiped with a filthy rag that actually spreads germs around. Children in particular are likely to leave fecal traces, but plenty of adults do too.

There are relatively few zoonotic diseases that can be passed from dog to human (according to my vet, we're more likely to make them sick). Occasionally someone will pick up an intestinal parasite from their dog, but it's not that easy to do (i.e. if you let your dog lick you on the mouth shortly after they've been licking their butt).

On the other hand, a human beings can potentially carry a vast array of pathogens that actually can make us sick. Furthermore, dog poop, when it does appear where it shouldn't, is almost certainly going to be at ground level where it's unlikely to make it's way to your mouth. As opposed to every touchable surface at the food court, where germs are picked up by your fingers and then easily deposited in your mouth, eyes, etc. Which is not to say it's OK for dogs to be pooping where people are trying to eat, but let's keep the threat level in the proper perspective.

Btw, you seem awfully worked up for something you witnessed a year and a half ago.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
56. Why shouldn't I get worked up with someone's dog pissing all over a public place?
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 10:13 PM
Jan 2012

Especially a place where people routinely bring their dogs in clear defiance of safety and health rules.

You seem determined to exonerate this wholly irresponsible behavior.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
57. sad when you have to resort to that
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 01:38 AM
Jan 2012

Flagrant distortion of my words, that is. What I said is that you are grossly exaggerating the health hazard posed by dogs, and you certainly are.

You posted a shrill, borderline hysterical OP suggesting the problem of dogs being brought into public spaces had escalated beyond all tolerable limits. Then we find that you have to go back a year and a half for an example of having actually seen a dog relieve itself in a public eating space. This would seem to contradict your claim that the practice has become "routine".

I live in a major metro area with malls galore, and I've seen a dog being carried through a mall exactly twice. In both instances the person was asked to leave and they left without incident. BFD. Hardly seems worthy of all this bile and vitriol, but by all means, enjoy your hissy fit.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
58. Come to Portland, go to the Clackamas Town Square mall.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:12 AM
Jan 2012

I guarantee you'll see a dog in the mall within a half hour. I've seen about a half-dozen people asked to remove their dogs, only one person obliged without argument. Most of the time, they go unnoticed by the handful of security who are usually busy harassing people plugging their laptops in near the free WiFi hotspots.

A dog relieving itself in a "public eating space" isn't the non-issue you want to make it out to be. Dogs are territorial and where one goes, others follow. The marking instinct is strong in many breeds and when a dog catches a whiff of another dog's piss, the response is automatic. I don't know about you, but I try to keep the amount of animal urine I come in contact with to an absolute minimum.

(I'm still waiting for the epidemiological studies showing that human mucous is more toxic than dog feces, BTW. If you want to do it yourself, I'll gladly accept a petri dish experiment. Just collect some different samples of both human mucous and dog feces, put them in petri dishes, and wait. You could post on YouTube if you wanted.)

None of the other malls in the area have this problem, neither did any of the malls in the Seattle area when I lived there, nor the malls in the LA area when I lived there. This seems to be a unique issue to the mall closest to where I live.

If someone ranting about assholes in their area irritates you so much, maybe the Internet isn't for you.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
59. and you do it again...(sigh)
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:57 AM
Jan 2012

Where did I say a dog relieving itself in a public eating space was a non-issue? You won't answer that because I didn't say it. Is it not possible for you to have an honest discussion without stabbing at strawman after strawman?

Furthermore, it's not my job to educate you on basic microbiology. If you can't process the simple fact that dog diseases are dog diseases and people diseases are people diseases (thus making human excretions more hazardous to humans - OBVIOUSLY), then I give up.

Response to laconicsax (Reply #36)

Texasgal

(17,041 posts)
29. Here in Austin
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jan 2012

people bring their dogs everywhere!

restraunts, coffee houses, book stores etc..

I have two dogs but don't take then publicly much.. they are kinda CRAZY! LOL!

I have no issue with dogs in public places. I remember a trip to London back in the late 80's and I was shocked to see how many dogs were in the cafe's and pubs. I thought it was sooo cool at the time. I guess Americans are just catching up!

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
37. I wouldn't want dog fur on the clothes
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jan 2012

I'm trying on, either. I think the dogs need to stay out of department stores.

progressoid

(49,952 posts)
44. Saw it a lot in France.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 02:04 AM
Jan 2012

Malls. Grocery Stores. Restaurants.

But that was a long time ago. Dunno if it still happens.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
52. Berlin, too.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jan 2012

Dogs everywhere... It's great, but there are no "pooper scooper" laws... So, you need to be mindful of where you step.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
60. Sheesh so much venom towards dog owners
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 03:13 AM
Jan 2012

I keep forgetting that "outdoor" malls exist... I live in Minnesota so the idea of a dog in the mall is kinda hilarious, unless its a therapy dog. BTW, there are therapy dogs - not just seeing eye dogs - dogs that help people with physical or mental illnesses. I worked with an abused woman whose had so much PTSD that she did have a small dog as a therapy dog for her anxiety.

Yes, there are the random self-absorbed who see pets as a fashion accessory, but more often people just like bringing their dogs with them for company.

I do think people who ignore the "no-dogs" signs give us dog owners a bad name. I was at an event out on a frozen lake today and the website clearly states - "Leave your Dogs at Home". So of course I saw several dogs there. I think people think that because their dogs are well-behaved or little or cute, then the signs don't apply. That attitude fuels the animus displayed by the OP.

I love my dogs, I wish I could bring them more places. My 2 dogs that are now deceased were wonderful social pets, the two we have now... eh, not so much. They are sweet dogs but not much for socialized so they stay home.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
62. I keep seeing it in an indoor mall.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 03:28 AM
Jan 2012

Please don't mistake my OP with venom toward dog owners. I have no problem with dogs or dog owners as a group. If I did, I'd have to hate myself, being a dog owner for the last 20 years or so.

My animus (as you put it) is the same for the assholes who bring their dogs to the mall as it is for the owners of overly aggressive dogs who refuse to restrain them at dog parks. There's little difference to me between the gal whose corgi chose to relieve itself in the mall food court and the guy whose German Shepherd attacks smaller dogs at the dog park. Both are completely irresponsible and refuse to see the problems they create their responsibility.

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