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Couple of my friends have moved from NYC area to Houston for better jobs and are raving about the big houses they are living in now... I am tempted too by the lower cost of living ( greater saving potential) .. but wifey dear thinks I am silly to even consider working in any other place .... She loves Manhattan and all its trappings a bit too much ....
Give me some ammo that will at least allow me to start a conversation instead of being laughed out of it ...
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I'd head to NM if I could right now.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)I'd love to move to Santa Fe. I live in New Orleans and the humidity is unbearable!
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I feel my heart is in Albuquerque though.
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)Not unlike moving to the heart of the South in terms of the culture shift/political dynamics... Ok, if you can compartmentalize and other factors oveweigh these issues, but for many they can't
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and one of the more progressive big-city mayors. I'd take her over Bloomberg any day!
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)by an enormous sea of RWers.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Neither is Dallas or Austin for that matter. Not sure about San Antonio but I suspect its like those other 2 cities in many respects.
The rest of the state...
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)After a lifetime in the South, we got tired of the heat and the lack of culture and moved to the Northeast. If I had to live in Texas, it would be in Austin.
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Houston has excessive ozone levels and is routinely ranked among the most ozone-polluted cities in the United States.[58] Ground-level ozone, or smog, is Houston's predominant air pollution problem, with the American Lung Association rating the metropolitan area's ozone level as the 8th worst in the United States in 2011.[59] The industries located along the ship channel are a major cause of the city's air pollution.[60] In the past, Houston's air quality has been compared to that of Los Angeles.[61]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston
srican69
(1,426 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Felt I had to be honest after that.
srican69
(1,426 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)But the good news is the fire ants are being displaced with crazy ants.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)but i would high tail it back to houston if i could. job keeps me here in the "mistake by the lake."
some observations:
*business starts slowing down around lunch in h-town on friday, any place i ever worked was more clear except for admins and low level staff by 3 pm.
*TIME IS DIFFERENT - things move slower, more laid back. during my time there you had motivated people but i didn't notice "crazy busy for the sake of being crazy busy."
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)Sweet Freedom
(3,995 posts)I would give my right arm to live in NYC.
Yes, homes here are huge, but it's a seller's market. I just sold mine for way more than I ever imagined. It might be better to move in December when people are trying to unload when no one is buying.
This is not a walking city at all. You must have a vehicle. The metro area is about 50 miles, so driving an hour or more to and from work is normal. There is no subway and there is a bus system, but it doesn't go to all the suburbs.
There is no zoning, so the city can be really unattractive. You house could be next to a car mechanic or something.
It's hot, but there's AC everywhere, so it's not an issue if you are inside. Outside is different.
Cost of living is low; Houston is blue, oil, gas and medical are good fields, and there's lots of arts and entertainment and restaurants, so there are pros.
What part of Houston are you looking at?
srican69
(1,426 posts)and has probably driven 3 times in her life..
If I come .. I would open my own business to serve the shipping industry .. my friends say the offshore stuff is really booming there and there is plenty of work ..
I used to have a background in Shipping ( was an engineer on a Ship) .. but am more of a technology consultant now ....
Sweet Freedom
(3,995 posts)Sorry, if that is a dumb question, but could you set up the business in NYC and farm out to a contractor here?
The driving is a problem. Down here, it's an art. Although, I think it is a very easy city to navigate. It's hard to get lost because there are many landmarks. Plus, there are three loops around the city and if you get lost on the other freeways you just exit and make a u-turn. Unfortunately, you do have to get on the freeways if you want to get anywhere.
srican69
(1,426 posts)will be hard to subcontract it out .. although I could partner with my friends there. .. its a possibility.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Houston recently built a 37 floor high rise apt building downtown. Rent starts at $2,400 for 808 sq ft. While this is a bit pricey by Texas standards the list of amenities is impressive and everything you need (with the possible exception of your place of work) is within walking distance.
http://www.oneparkplacehouston.com/floorplans.aspx
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I have to say, that would not be on my top 40 list of places I'd consider moving...
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)You shouldn't. Your wife is right.
DFW
(54,349 posts)I'm from Dallas, but I'm never there (stationed in Germany). My elder daughter could get a higher-paying job in Dallas, but refuses to leave Manhattan, where she works for slave wages (by Manhattan standards). She doesn't want to live anywhere else. The heat and humidity in Houston are UNBEARABLE if you're from up north. But you can live like a king on money that will get you a modest one-room walk-up in Manhattan. Yin-yang--which will you choose?
My younger daughter looked for a job in Manhattan, but struck out, and got a fabulous job offer in Frankfurt/Main in Germany, so she said good-bye USA and headed on over. She was born in Germany and my wife is German, so in addition to being bi-lingual, she also has both nationalities, so she didn't need to sweat out an EU work permit.
I've never lived in Manhattan, but all my grandparents lived there, so I visited a LOT when I was younger, and I must say, it's one unique place to live. I like my suburban Düsseldorf place plenty, and if I moved back Stateside permanently (which will probably only be for funeral services at this rate), I'd most likely head for the Boston area, but I know I'd be spending plenty of time in NYC for one reason or another. Unless the rats and the cockroaches are eating you alive, I'd be inclined to stay put.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)A quick rundown of my story.
Born and raised in Chicago. Loved it, but wanted a 'simpler' life and better weather (annoying health problems make cold unbearable).
Moved to Arizona 13 years ago.
Loved it...for about 3 years. The reality of 'right to work state' and 'red state' kicked in.
Decided to move back to Chicago...but...
...realized 'simpler' also included a 2/3 cut in pay with no benefits. That 'lower cost of living' came with small print. *You can't ever afford to change your mind.
Make your choice wisely. Consider the alternatives. Remember, moving cross-country is expensive to do once, twice will set you back a decade. You may be able to talk your wife into moving, but you can never talk her into being happy. Be prepared to live with a miserable, heartsick wife and know that if she can't adjust, you'll have to.
Take her on a vacation. 2 weeks, if possible. Don't do touristy crap. Take a reality check of the area and the people.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)A bigger house and lower cost of living won't save you from the constant barrage of idiocy. If you have school age children who would attend public school, definitely don't do it.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)My son's school district is amazing, I don't live next door to rednecks, it's far more blue here than in my old supposedly blue (but elected a red governor of the worst sort) state.
It's not just what you read here on DU from the truly judgmental.
onestepforward
(3,691 posts)homeowner's and car insurance, utilities, property tax, and sales taxes might be higher. We don't have a state income tax, but they get it in other ways. Groceries are very affordable.
Summertime is like living on the surface of the sun, which also corresponds with hurricane season, but late Fall, Winter and early Spring are very nice here. If you're into gardening, you can almost garden year-round.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I was born and raised in Houston.
There are four million people in the metro area.
Car expenses, insurance, sales taxes, etc. are pretty bad. Property taxes, license fees, are high because of no state income tax. Traffic is brutal. You will spend your life commuting if you buy a cheap house in the far suburbs. The city is huge. Forty or more miles across. It usually takes an hour to get anywhere. Real estate anyplace close to town is not cheap. The traffic will drive anybody nuts. Even if you are fairly calm.
They have some light rail which is expanding. The bus service is horrendous.
It is possible to get across town on surface roads but you practically have to be a native, like me.
They are tearing down 1960s suburbia and putting up yuppie castles. The lots are expensive and this is ten miles from downtown.
It's competitive and hardworking. The state courthouses, where I used to work, are a snake pit & a madhouse. Houston has more courthouse and govt buildings than a small state capital city has. Between 10,000 and 15,000 people PER DAY go in the doors of the main criminal courthouse.
You must have AC in your car and house or you will DIE. I mean that. It's 90 degrees at night in August. It does NOT cool off at night.
There is plenty of culture. The symphony, opera and ballet are WORLD-CLASS. Plenty of clubs and live music. Big name concerts at several venues.
Excellent med center with 2 med schools. The doctors in Houston are five years ahead of most of the rest of the country. Lots of research.
Four major universities with lots going on: Rice University, University of St.Thomas, University of Houston(big state school) and Texas Southern University (big state school).
Thriving art scene. Lots of workshop and exhibit spaces. Art Car Parade is a huge party. I've been in the art scene, the community orchestras and the live theater scene. Festivals and a large Gay Pride Parade. Cultural centers for Chinese, Italians, French and so on.
Vietnamese and Chinese ethnic neighborhoods. Huge numbers of restaurants of all kinds.
There are plenty of conservatives but you can avoid them usually by hanging out with Democrats and other liberals such as Unitarian-Universalists. I was raised in the Harris County Democrats which is more progressive than the official county party.
There is still not as much culture as Boston or NYC.
Your wife would go into complete shock over having to have a car. I've been to NYC and Boston. They are on a different planet from Texas.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)I'd guess probably not.
As long as you can handle the heat, you should be ok. The high temperature today is going to be close to a hundred degrees. That's not uncommon, either. If your job is outside in the sun, it's going to take a lot of getting used to.
Houston's a major city, so it's going to be not too unlike where you're from. It's not like you're considering moving to a town of 2000 that have fifty churches, ten gun stores, and one library that's never open.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)Compared to the NYC area, housing is cheap---but they do nail you on property taxes (Texas's substitute for not having a state income tax). Lots of good places to eat and drink, very respectable fine arts amenities, friendly people. I'd just echo what others have said on this thread: you need to gird yourself for a significant bit of culture shock. Most of the people I know who live in and around NYC wouldn't think of living anywhere else, and you need to consider what you'd be leaving behind, what really matters to you. Best of luck.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)SE MI.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)One way or another, the states get you. We lived in Colorado for a few years, and we were appalled at what they charged for car inspections, compared to Texas.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)here in Houston. Several top designers have shops in the Galleria.
Getting around downtown Houston (and even coming in from the suburbs) is a lot easier than it used to be.
I moved here from the metro Detroit area (St. Clair Shores) almost 5 years ago, and I love it. Far more diverse than my old neighborhood, great school district (really pay attention to districts if you have kids), and a good-sized home.
Houston has become far more progressive than even *gasp* Austin in so many areas that it makes me giggle to hear people here say "Austin is the only place I'd ever live."
If it's good enough for Mayor Annise Parker, it's good enough for me.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)you realized this, but Houston is in Texas.
Why not just go to Houston Street, and then you can both be happy. Pronounce it however you like. We won't judge.
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)It is hot and humid for 5 months of the year.
You will need a car with working ac.
I was born here and live here but I would move to a cooler climate if I could.
We have lots of townhouses with no parking.
Welcome to Houston.
We are blue but it the heat is terrible.
Try to move in October when it cools off.