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Have you ever wondered what alcatraz means? (Original Post) Xipe Totec Jan 2012 OP
"Island of pelicans" Aristus Jan 2012 #1
Among other things Xipe Totec Jan 2012 #2
I was indroctonated with the anglicized interpretation Brother Buzz Jan 2012 #4
My grandmother grew yerba buena, which is what she called bergamot, a kind of mint. nt EFerrari Jan 2012 #5
Was that the herb that grew on the island? Brother Buzz Jan 2012 #6
I tried to figure that out last night but EFerrari Jan 2012 #12
Yerba buena is peppermint as far as I'm concerned Xipe Totec Jan 2012 #15
In the old days, if a fishing boat got too close to Alcatraz, Lionel Mandrake Jan 2012 #3
My Dad worked at the Savannah River Plant SCantiGOP Jan 2012 #9
The opposite of alkaseltzer. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #7
I have never been to Alcatraz pink-o Jan 2012 #8
Why, no. No I haven't. Bake Jan 2012 #10
My Alcatraz Island pictures Major Nikon Jan 2012 #11
How beautiful! Thank You! Xipe Totec Jan 2012 #16
You missed one KamaAina Jan 2012 #13
I'm sure there are many more.... Xipe Totec Jan 2012 #14

Xipe Totec

(43,889 posts)
2. Among other things
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:11 PM
Jan 2012

and there are ten types of birds, all related to pelicans, that are called alcatraces.

Alcatraz Atlántico
Alcatraz Australiano
Alcatraz Blanco
Alcatraz Camanay
Alcatraz de Abbott
Alcatraz de El Cabo
Alcatraz de Nazca
Alcatraz Enmascarado
Alcatraz Pardo
Alcatraz Piquero

From the archaic Spanish alcatraz, "pelican", a word which was borrowed originally from Arabic: القطرس al-qaṭrās, meaning sea eagle.

Brother Buzz

(36,410 posts)
4. I was indroctonated with the anglicized interpretation
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:26 PM
Jan 2012

Pelican island. Also, Yerba Buena island (good herb) was once called goat island by the Yankee sailers.

Brother Buzz

(36,410 posts)
6. Was that the herb that grew on the island?
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:03 AM
Jan 2012

I know tea was brewed from it and it thrived on the island, and was coveted by the locals. Mint? Yes, that sound right, some sort of mint, and not what I assumed was common coastal sage for years.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
12. I tried to figure that out last night but
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 02:37 PM
Jan 2012

"yerba buena" was a name used for different plants by different people all along the American coast. It could have been sage for some folks. In the (at the time) small Salvadoran community Mami was in ca. 1955, the ladies gave each other slips of bergamot to plant in their yards to make tea. It could have been something else entirely for people in the Chicano community and so on.

It's sort of like "holy moly" insofar as everyone knows the nickname but can't agree on what the plant itself is.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
3. In the old days, if a fishing boat got too close to Alcatraz,
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:11 PM
Jan 2012

the guards would fire a shot across the bow and announce in a very loud voice:

"YOU ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE ISLAND. CHANGE COURSE IMMEDIATELY"

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
9. My Dad worked at the Savannah River Plant
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jan 2012

near Aiken SC, where, among other things, tritium and plutonium was produced for our nuclear weapons (that's why the locals called it 'the bomb plant'). Several times a year there would be a story of a private plane accidently flying into it's air space, and jets from a nearby air base would escort the plane back to the base. If the pilot didn't respond immediatley, they would fire in his direction to get his attention.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
8. I have never been to Alcatraz
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:28 AM
Jan 2012

Yeah, yeah...lived in SF most of my life--but how many native New Yorkers have never been to the top of the Empire State Building?

I did get close once: my friend got married on the Hornblower Yacht and we came around the back of the island. Also, when I was a freshman in high school, the Native Americans occupied it for a few weeks, and we raided my mother's pantry and brought food to the pier in SF, where the boats took it over.

I guess I never had any interest in going inside a prison. Even a famous one.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. You missed one
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jan 2012


Yup, that's Alcatraz Avenue, which runs near the border between Oakland and Berkeley.
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