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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsJohn Corabi recorded ONE album with Motley Crue...name your LEAST FAVORITE lead vocalist replacement
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Second place: Sammy Hagar for David Lee Roth.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)The second one was pretty bad but I wouldn't call it "worst."
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Made a couple of Iron Maiden records while Bruce Dickinson was off doing solo stuff. I still can't make it all the way through the Bayley records.
LeftOfSelf-Centered
(776 posts)immediately came to mind. I just couldn't listen to VH after the change, something about Sammy's voice just grates on me.
Incidentally I thought replacing Vince Neil with John Corabi was quite an upgrade. When Neil tries to sing high he sometimes comes off sounding like an angry chipmunk (see the high bits in the verses of "Shout At The Devil" .
lame54
(35,287 posts)Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)lame54
(35,287 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Not a stitch on what they did with DLR, but not the worst band ever either.
lame54
(35,287 posts)but that can be healthy for a band
DLR Halen did have more rockin' party songs but they are also responsible for Jump
Iggo
(47,552 posts)"Eddie plays keyboards!"
Should read, "Eddie sucks at keyboards!"
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Like others on the thread, I'm more inclined to blame Eddie than Sammy for their later direction.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)"You're a GUITAR hero, NO ONE wants to hear you play synths"...
Eddie pretty much bottomed out with the keyboards on THIS song (featuring HIS vocals):
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...was that Sammy showed up at a time where Eddie's fascination with keyboards and ballads had grown to such proportions that the hard rock songs often seemed like they were throwing the fans a bone. Out of ALL of teh Van Hagar albums, I like about ONE album's worth of material.
I thought Montrose KILLED, I think Chickenfoot is a GREAT band, and I like about 25% of Sammy's solo output. He just had WAY too much crap in the post-Montrose days..."Cruisin & Boozin," "It's The Pits," just really weak stuff. And I don't blame him for Van Hagar, I blame Eddie, because Eddie and Alex have ALWAYS called the shots, no matter WHO was holding the microphone.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)*nods head*
Throd
(7,208 posts)Trust me, I was there. It was limp and we all disdained it. In it's prime, Van Halen totally kicked ass. Then they split with Diamond Dave and recorded albums that the accounting department would listen to on the way to Starbuck's for their 10am frappaccino fix.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...and my department was made up exclusively of young rock & roll loving males who were enjoying the fact that disco was taking its last gasp.
We had several crappy transistor radios propped up around the department. We split our time between the San Jose rock stations KOME and KSJO. I very clearly remember "Eruption / You Really Got Me" coming out of those speakers.
And you're right, Van Hagar wasn't that band, and we responded accordingly. I didn't want to hear some half-baked crap about some kinda alien pulling the string when love comes walking in. I wanted to hear about Dave reaching down between his legs and easing the seat back.
LeftOfSelf-Centered
(776 posts)I was too young when Roth was actually in Van Halen, so I was late to the party. Actually, I was a fan of Roth's first; I liked his solo stuff with Steve Vai, so I then decided to check out what else he had done and subsequently became a Roth-era Van Halen fan. But I never even felt compelled to check out what VH were like after Roth, it's like the band ended for me after "1984".
Then my guitar teacher lent me his copy of VH's "Live Without a Net" Video and my main impressions were: (1) They (obviously) hardly played any of the (Roth-era) songs that I knew and loved, (2) I didn't like any of the new songs, (3) I really couldn't stand Hagar's voice.
Re. Chickenfoot: I'd be curious to hear how Satriani adapts to a band context, but I can't bring myself to having to hear Sammy sing... But I'm happy to see that Michael Anthony landed on his feet, he get screwed over bad by VH.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)'VHIII' could've been a halfway decent record, potentially - at least not any worse than the last two so-so Hagar albums - but Gary C.'s voice renders it nearly unlistenable. To this day I've never sat through the whole thing.
LeftOfSelf-Centered
(776 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 3, 2014, 03:07 PM - Edit history (1)
I had written off Van Halen already, so the fact that they brought in Cherone barely even registered with me.
Gary Cherone was the third best singer in Extreme (and the weakest link in the band by far), so hearing him with Van Halen wasn't exactly high on my priorities list!
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I mean, what the hell...after he left the band they put out a "best of" album called "Best of BOTH Worlds?" Three singers? BOTH worlds?
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)And dear lord is that an obnoxious synth-rock mess of a song.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)is that it's an up-tempo synth-rock song with pseudo-Morrissey lyrics. I've always preferred the Aztec Camera cover
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)That is a lot better.
LeftOfSelf-Centered
(776 posts)It's badly overplayed, but, other than that, to me it's inoffensive. And 1984 also has "Panama" and one of my favourite VH songs, "Drop Dead Legs" on it.
Also, you can't lay the blame for "Jump" at Roth's feet considering he didn't write the music. Removing Roth would only have changed the lyrics, not the general sound of the song (see also "Why Can't This Be Love", "Dreams",...) Eddie wanted to play keyboards, it was Roth who was reluctant to go along with it.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Sure Jimmy Page could put an album out using Plant-Wannabe David Coverdale but in the end Coverdale never had that charisma that Robert Plant brought to the stage.
And I know for some of these aging bands hoping to make a few more dollars out of their name, the show must go on. So if the lead singer isn't available or can't tour then what better way to solve the issue than to do a Judas Priest - find a lead singer from a tribuate band that does your music and have them replace the lead singer. Sure it was good when Yes needed a fill-in for Jon Anderson after Anderson had life threatening illness. But what sucked was that Anderson recovered, his voice was amazing as ever but Yes stuck with the tribute band singer.
So to be honest I have no viable answer for this question. Other members can be replaced for the better but the lead singer will always be tough shoes to fill.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)band to begin with because he never sounded anything at all like Halford.
Coverdale? OMFG he's the real-life David St. Hubbins! Seriously!
And what Yes did to Anderson was historically fucked up. So cruel to turn their backs on him after 40+ years.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Tim "Ripper" Owens for Rob Halford wasn't my favorite, either, but at least Timmy killed it live.
Hiring Sammy Hagar ruined Van Halen AND Sammy Hagar.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I liked Hagar solo. Hated Van Hagar.
Never listened to more than half of a Ripper/JP song.
Not even that much of a Blayze Baily Iron Maiden song.
But, to me, the most egregious frontman replacement error is whatever that shit is now touring as the Dead Kennedys. It should be against the law to call them DK without Jello. And I don't mean civil lawsuity law - I mean charge them with a felony. Hell, at LEAST disturbing the peace!
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)But she turned him down. Can you imagine what could have been? VH fronted by a real singer?
Iggo
(47,552 posts)And to be fair, Sammy is a real singer (see Montrose), just not for Van Halen.
Throd
(7,208 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Really though this is a case of apples vs oranges. D'Anno era Iron Maiden seemed to have a more raw, almost punk-ish sound. And I loved it and still do. I couldn't picture or imagine Bruce doing vocals in 'Killers' or the orginal debut album.
Dickenson era Iron Maiden sounds more NWOBHM. His voice and range were/are the perfect match.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)But the ripper albums seemed to have no soul or identity
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)If I want to hear IE I'll just go back to 'Burnt Offerings' or 'Something Wicked.'
P.S. Haven't seen you around in a while. Glad you're back.
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)Haven't had as much time as I'd like to be online
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Between Barlow stints?
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Craig Fuller, I think, was an attempt to stick as close to Little Feat as possible without bringing in an iconic / eccentric front man...you do NOT "replace" Lowell.
Shaun, as Fulller's replacement, NEVER felt right. As each new CD came out I scoured through the tracks to cherry-pick songs where she DIDN'T handle the lead vocals.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Basically, we all waited for her to be done singing the "new stuff" and let the rest of the band do the songs we wanted to hear.
She's got a great voice, and has done some stellar side work. She's just wrong as lead for Little Feat.
Re: Fuller. They had some decent hits with Fuller, but I basically agree - he was designed to keep the vessel between the navigational markers. - nothing more.
Initech
(100,067 posts)Although how do you top an album as iconic as Blood Sugar Sex Magik?