Can we finally dispense with the "Is Peyton Manning The Greatest QB" nonsense?

[Stephen Retired]

He's a punk! He has ONE ring! You want a guy named Manning who's a great quarterback? Try the one (in the entire league) who has beaten Tom Brady and the Patriots TWICE in the Super Bowl!

I am not, of course, suggesting that Eli is the greatest: No, that honor shall belong to the aforementioned Mr. Brady, sixteen days hence.

[KamaAina]

1. Welcome to DU!

We have a very active sports group, full of both Pats fans and h8rs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1204

[Stephen Retired]

3. Thank you

I'll check it out!

[KMOD]

6. I wonder if they do mock drafts there?

I should check that out.

[KamaAina]

7. Bad KMOD! Go to your room!

[KMOD]

8. oh....kay :(

[Iggo]

20. Drafts? No.

Mock? Oh shit yeah!

[sharp_stick]

2. Welcome to DU

and as for your last sentence...From your lips to God's ears.

[Stephen Retired]

4. Brady IS God

Let us pray!

[KMOD]

9. I will mock your Brady God

Brady fumbled!!!

[bigwillq]

5. Welcome to DU!

I am a NY Giants fan, and I've always thought that Eli was a better clutch QB than Peyton.

[Stephen Retired]

11. You speak the Truth

I honor you, sir!

[fizzgig]

10. lifelong broncos fan here

and i would not call peyton the best ever, not at all. brady is an incredible qb, but i will always root against him and relish it when sad brady shows up.

[fishwax]

12. He's not even the greatest Broncos QB

He's pretty good in the regular season, though.

Welcome to DU!

[Stephen Retired]

15. Correct

That would be Elway.

[malthaussen]

13. Well, Vince Lombardi said...

... that the job of the QB was to win championships, ergo the QB that had won the most championships was best. Thus, Bart Starr was the greatest QB. Or if you insist on only counting SB rings, it would be Terry Bradshaw. In any event, the QB position has changed so much over the years, it is absurd to try to single out one as "best," especially based on statistics.

-- Mal

[Stephen Retired]

16. You seem to be forgetting a certain Mr Montana

Joseph C., to be precise.

[malthaussen]

18. Not forgetting him at all

But I did forget he won the SB four times. Thought it was 3, but that's how often he was named SB MVP.

And to think they used to say his arm was not strong enough to be a good QB. But he took over the Niners just as shorter passing was becoming the rage. He probably would not have succeeded as well in the 60's.

-- Mal

[underpants]

25. Pitch and catch in a nothing division.

Montana was good but their regular season tended to be warm up for the playoffs.

[kairos12]

14. In college he was 0 for 4 against the Gators. That was a great thing.

[pipi_k]

17. Eli Manning? Pffft...!!!!

If not for a lucky ball bounce off of David Tyree's helmet (and an equally lucky catch of said bounce), Eli Manning's record against Brady would be 1 - 1.

So unless someone can prove that Manning actually planned that whole play, it was just a matter of stupid luck.

What's made me laugh since then (and the second Superbowl win) is that poor Eli has sunk to mediocre depths.

Although I shouldn't laugh, really. The Football Gods don't like arrogance, and I cringe before their power.

So as much as I would like to agree with you that the greatest honor will belong to Brady and the Pats tomorrow, and on Feb 1st, all I can do is cross my fingers and be hopeful.

I'd love nothing better than for Brady to get his fourth ring and then retire. Because then we Pats fans wouldn't have such high expectations every season. Would be a lot less stressful for my stomach, I can tell you that...

[underpants]

24. That was a great Pats team. Add Samuel's dropped interception

The Giants were flat out lucky in both of their "wins". If Welker (traitor!) catches that 3rd down ball in the second SB..... House.

[cloudbase]

19. Five MVP awards is nothing to sneeze at.

Nobody else has more than three.

[jmowreader]

21. I offer 31 reasons you shall be depressed and forlorn come sixteen days hence

Kam Chancellor, the Prince of Darkness, is thoroughly capable of ending Aaron Rodgers' season in the first quarter. I would have loved to see him play in the 1970s when the NFL didn't really care how hard you hit people.

[nolabear]

22. ...

[Stephen Retired]

26. Packers over Seahawks 16-0 at halftime

Count not thy chickens until they be hatched!

[jmowreader]

28. Yeah, I see that

It ain't over till it's over...the Seahawks have been shut out in the first half of games they ultimately won.

[jmowreader]

31. Final 28-22: Chickens hatched and counted.

[underpants]

23. Brady and Marino are the best I've ever seen

And that goes back to the 70's so it includes Montana.

[Inkfreak]

27. Wanna know why Peyton doesn't post here?

Cuz he's busy being a HOF QB. People who know football wouldnt say he's a "punk" and judge his success by rings alone. Respect the mans skills.

[Stephen Retired]

29. Skills?

Like, putting up great numbers in the regular season, then folding in the playoffs, with one exception? Oh yes, the man definitely has skills!

[Inkfreak]

30. It's weird how you read my post but didn't seem to comprehend it. (nt)