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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:50 PM

grammar tests suck

I have to identify the agreement error in this sentence:

He complains of abdominal, neck, and chest pain as well as the need for urination, though her Foley was in place.

As I see it, there are two: pronoun agreement and verb tense agreement. (Am I right?) I can only choose one answer.

Thoughts?

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Reply grammar tests suck (Original post)
Bertha Venation Nov 2015 OP
valerief Nov 2015 #1
pinboy3niner Nov 2015 #2
valerief Nov 2015 #5
magical thyme Nov 2015 #3
valerief Nov 2015 #6
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2015 #4
CTyankee Nov 2015 #18
valerief Nov 2015 #19
CTyankee Nov 2015 #22
valerief Nov 2015 #23
petronius Nov 2015 #27
NV Whino Nov 2015 #7
Tipperary Nov 2015 #9
valerief Nov 2015 #20
LWolf Nov 2015 #8
elleng Nov 2015 #10
Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #11
petronius Nov 2015 #12
TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #13
Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #15
LiberalElite Nov 2015 #14
BlueJazz Nov 2015 #16
MrScorpio Nov 2015 #17
valerief Nov 2015 #21
Laffy Kat Nov 2015 #24
WinkyDink Nov 2015 #25
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #26
malthaussen Nov 2015 #28
dorkzilla Nov 2015 #29
Fla Dem Nov 2015 #30

Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:12 PM

1. What's a Foley? I thought it was something used for sound in filmmaking.

If it's a medical device that, in this case, was inserted (?) by a woman into a male patient, then the Foley placement would be "her Foley," so that could be correct. If you have to assume the Foley in question is the patient's, then "her Foley" is not correct.

I'm not sure about the verb agreement either. For example, does this look incorrect?
I long for the summer days of my youth, although I loved the winter days of my middle years.

Present tense in first clause but past tense in second clause.

It's hard for me to make a decision about your sentence without context. Also, I'm no editor. Good luck!

on edit: I looked up the meaning of Foley in Urban Dictionary, and now I'm totally confused.

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:28 PM

2. Foley catheter

A Foley catheter is a flexible tube passed through the urethra and into the bladder to drain urine. It is the most common type of indwelling urinary catheter.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foley_catheter

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:58 PM

5. Thanks. I've been healthy so far (knock on wood), so I didn't know. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:29 PM

3. it's a type of catheter. but I wouldn't expect it to be referred to as "her foley"

 

yes, a nurse would have placed or inserted it. It would normally be referred to as the patient's foley, since the nurse would possibly have inserted multiple catheters into multiple patients, so calling it "hers" or "the hospital's" would leave open which catheter was being referred to.

Actually, on re-reading it, I'm thinking it's the verb tense.

Either way, I could be wrong. I think it's a lousy test question. How the hell is the non-medical person supposed to know what a Foley is and how it got where it is? Unless they've been unlucky enough to have one?

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:02 PM

6. Definitely a lousy sentence. If it's from a paragraph from the woman's (nurse's/doctor's) POV,

"her Foley" might work. Context is everything!

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:34 PM

4. Once she inserts it, it's his Foley. She doesn't want it back

except to dispose of it.

That, plus, a "female" foley would probably be unsuitable for the average male. It wouldn't reach the bladder.

Your other sentence looks ok. I loved the winter days of my middle years. That is not in conflict with "I curently long for the summer days of my youth". But I'm no editor either.

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Response to valerief (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:29 PM

18. I think the sentence is fine. It tells me that the speaker longs for the summer days of

his youth even tho he loved the winter days when he was older. It makes sense.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:34 PM

19. Right, so how is it different from the OP's example? It isn't. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:46 PM

22. Well, the Foley sentence had the gender pronoun mixed up...or did I miss something...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:58 PM

23. Well, I addressed that in post 1. You may agree or disagree with me on that. nt

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:49 PM

27. LOL! I skipped over post 1, and thought this was your interpretation of the 'foley' sentence

Thinking "Damn! She's really good at picking up subtleties... "

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:29 PM

7. I would go with verb tense

But, the entire sentence is a train wreck. Maybe you could just go with train wreck.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:54 PM

9. I agree with you. That is one mess of a sentence.

I would not even know where to start with its wrongness.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:34 PM

20. Funny movie. nt

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:53 PM

8. verb tense

I think the whole thing is a mess.

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:59 PM

10. He/Her.

Have 'fun!'

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:37 PM

11. Well pronoun agreement kind of sticks out.

But it's also kind of a run-on, too. Verb tense actually seems OK to me.

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:46 PM

12. I'd say the verb agreement is most likely to be wrong, and the pronoun

is probably wrong. Terrible sentence for a teaching/learning/assessment activity...

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 06:03 PM

13. Complains & was

He "complains" is present tense, therefore HIS Foley "is" in place, not "was".

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 06:44 PM

15. I concer

 

The past tense of the Foley does not indicate that it was in place when the complaint was made

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 06:37 PM

14. Since you can only pick one, then: he/her. nt

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:34 PM

16. Well, this certainly doesn't help.

 

"my boyhood in Surrey, romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys, where the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame"

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:06 AM

17. Isn't he complaining about three separate pains?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:35 PM

21. I think it's a group pain. nt

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:34 PM

24. "The" Foley was in place. nt

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:46 PM

25. Verbs are awkward but okay. Pronoun "her" is without an antecedent.

 

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:57 PM

26. He/her for sure

"complains" present tense versus "was" I would also say and possibly using "abdominal, neck, and chest" along with "pain" rather than "pains" but I'm not sure about that last one.

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:25 PM

28. The outright error is pronoun agreement

That stands out like a sore thumb. Verb agreement is iffy, but it can pass, especially because you have one choice. He is complaining now of urination troubles then, although presumably the Foley is still in place. The sentence is terrible, agreed.

-- Mal

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:22 PM

29. Granpar tests are MUCH worse though! <eom>

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Response to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:53 PM

30. If you can ony choose one, the pronoun mismatch is the most egregious.

The tense could be argued that it is correct. He/she complains, but the Foley was in place at the time she complained.

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