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Sun May 1, 2016, 06:01 PM

Sorry, but I hate what the producers have done to Game of Thrones

The show is quickly becoming like all other fictional narratives. This is the good person. This is the bad person, and the good person triumphs over the bad one. And everything works out in the end. The entire reason why the series resonated so strongly with the culture is that the bad guys often won which reflects well in our personal lives. Just because you were good and has truth on your side, that alone does not mean that you win. Given this dynamic, the reader was in a constant state of tension whenever you turned the page. You never felt safe. Why do you think that reactions to the Red Wedding was so fierce and shook the culture.

The show is abandoning this narrative. It's reaching for quick resolutions instead of developing an intricate story line. It's given into the audience instead of challenging us. I can get hero stories every where I turn. I want a story that reflects my life experience of seeing bad people win and bad things happen.

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Reply Sorry, but I hate what the producers have done to Game of Thrones (Original post)
Yavin4 May 2016 OP
lunatica May 2016 #1
Godhumor May 2016 #2
Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #3
dilby May 2016 #5
usedtobedemgurl May 2016 #7
Sweet Freedom May 2016 #8
sharp_stick May 2016 #10
dilby May 2016 #4
Yavin4 May 2016 #6
cemaphonic May 2016 #9
lunatica May 2016 #11
ohnoyoudidnt May 2016 #13
Lyric May 2016 #14
Oneironaut May 2016 #12

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:15 PM

1. They're building false complacency

It's too predictable to do it the way you want it done too. If it's always going to be that the bad guys win, then where's the shock value?

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:24 PM

2. Frankly, I think this has been the strongest 2 episodes to open a season, period

It is fun not being able to complain what the show should be doing vs the books (for the most part). Makes things exciting again.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:25 PM

3. So is this a Glenn under the dumpster moment?

Seems like it to me.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:08 AM

5. Glenn under the dumpster was to prep you for the finally.

Him dying once and getting everyone all worked up was to prepare you for his death at the hands of Negan. It's how he dies in the comics, I doubt they will change course.

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Response to dilby (Reply #5)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:38 AM

7. I wish I had not read this.

I was excited for next season to see who was killed. I guess I can put that aside now. No spoiler warning? The new season has not begun and you already told everyone this.

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Response to usedtobedemgurl (Reply #7)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:54 AM

8. TWD hasn't always gone by the book

Yes, Glenn dies the comics, but so have others that did not die in the TV series and vice versa. (For example, I believe Carol dies in the comics but Sophie lives, Andrea lives, Darryl doesn't even exist, etc.) So there has been some speculation as to whether or not TWD will be true to the story.

(And if it makes you feel any better, I don't think you would've been able to avoid hearing about Glenn's fate between now and the season premiere in October. I tried and failed.)

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Response to usedtobedemgurl (Reply #7)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:06 PM

10. Don't worry too much yet

they've gone away from the books several times already. They may be teasing Glenn's death because everyone is expecting it.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:52 AM

4. Go back and read the books, you will notice not one chapter is named Rob.

Jon has been part of the narrative since the beginning, he is the child of both Ice and Fire without him there is no story. I am sorry you are upset he was brought back, but it will be the same in the books.

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Response to dilby (Reply #4)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:16 AM

6. Jon being brought back isn't the problem.

My problem is with the killing of Prince Doran. Brienne coming out of no where to save Sansa. Ramsey killing Bolton. These kinds of quick, neat resolutions didn't happen in the books.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #6)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:43 AM

9. This seems to contradict your OP

The heads of 3 major houses being murdered in cold blood by family is still pretty damn bleak and cynical, even if 2 of them are total assholes (especially since their replacements are likely to be WORSE.1) And none of those things seem like tidy resolutions, as they imply consequences that will drive the story further along.

As far as Brienne and Sansa, both the show and the books have been chock full of those sorts of plot contrivances from the beginning. And it wasn't even all that unreasonable - Brienne is in the area searching for her, and Ramsey's search party would have been making a lot of noise, and leaving tracks.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #6)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:15 PM

11. Brienne was watching Sansa for quite a while during the last season

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Response to lunatica (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:53 PM

13. Yes. Her appearance wasn't unbelievable.

She knew where Sansa was. Since protecting her was her mission it's likely she was keeping an eye on the castle and followed the search team to where she went.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #6)

Tue May 3, 2016, 07:37 AM

14. Yeah, Doran being killed really pissed me off too. And Myrcella.

Myrcella doesn't die in the books, she just gets her ear cut off accidentally during a fight. Basically everything that happened at Sunspear in the show was complete and total BS.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:25 PM

12. The show was generally always like this.

It's a fundamental flaw with the storytelling as a whole. Danny should not have been half as successful as she was (including a couple obvious convenient situations that went perfectly for her). George RR Martin's whole book series is looking to be a fantasy trope (the chosen one vs. the evil menace). It's hard to get away from them.

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