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Sat Apr 1, 2017, 01:56 PM

What the Reviewers Will Not Tell You About Why they Hate "Ghost in the Shell."

If you love the Ghost in the Shell franchise, if you have read the manga, watched the television show and seen the films--particularly the first two films, the original "Ghost in the Shell" and the even better than the original follow up "Ghost in the Shell: Innocence" and if you have been following the recent pre-prequel material in which we begin to learn that being the world's first fully robotic cyborg is not all fun and games, then you will love "Ghost in the Shell" the live action film. It is 110% homage to the source material. On the other hand, if you think the Major is "hot" and if you just love all the "hot" poses and artwork and ads for the animation, you will be left disappointed--and un-aroused---by the live action film. Because the Major as played by Scarlett Johansson is not hot. She is lethal. Do not expect any of the fan boys writing reviews of the film to tell you that they were disappointed by how very un-sexy the major was in this film. Instead, they will complain about her "characterization." But what really has their panties in a twist is the fact that when she dives naked, she does not bounce or jiggle. And why should she? She is Robocop, not Baywatch. This is a great film. I loved it! While it diverges from the GITS cannon, so do many of the sequels. That's what is so fun about film adaptations of comics and manga. You can retell the story over and over changing things as you go along, exploring new aspects on the familiar story. And as you watch, keep in mind that anime is created for one reason---to sell manga. In these days of Disney comic book hero extravaganzas people may think that comics are being written to turn into films, but no, the comics are still what comes first and last. The art of writing fiction that engages the right and left brain at once is a great art, and should never be under-rated. And if you really want to appreciate comic to film adaptations, you MUST read the comics (Witness the way people reacted to the "Watchmen" film.) Otherwise, it's like watching the film "Ulysses" without ever reading the book.



"Hot" Major



Not "Hot" Major

PS The young man sitting next to me at the film who said he had never seen any of the GITS anime said he liked the film a lot. Would be curious to see how many people who do not know the source material like it better than the fan boys (and gals)? There is a reason so much manga/anime/comics is full of ecchi (Japanese for bouncing tits and panty shots). It's because that is what sells product to horny young folks.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 02:09 PM

1. Just one point of disagreement.

Scarlett Johansson is HOT. Period.

Maybe not fanboy, ecchi, jiggly hot - but "hot, hot, hot" nevertheless!

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 02:12 PM

2. Nice, I couldn't find a review that wasn't tinged with politicized "whitewashing" bs

 

I've been a fan all my life and I was excited to see a lot of scenes that were recreated almost shot-for-shot by the film. Usually live action based on anime is trash (it's like turning a painting into a photograph and expecting it to have equal to or greater than artistic value) but I was pretty amped for this one.

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 03:14 PM

3. If you're a fan, I think you'll enjoy it...

It's not a perfect flick by any means but it does a nice job of bringing the source material to life.

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:39 AM

6. Here's how one random fan rationalized the white-washing

"The Major is a cyborg and her physical form is an entirely assumed one. The name 'Motoko Kusanagi' and her current body are not her original name and body, so there is no basis for saying that an Asian actress must portray her. Even if her original body (presuming such a thing existed) were a Japanese one, that would still apply"

Oh, wait. That's not some rando--That's Mamoru Oshii!

If Johansson's performance is good enough for the director of the original films, then it's good enough for me.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:44 AM

8. lmao I've been trying to stay out of the loop on this issue so I never saw this

 

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:08 PM

4. I'm going to see it tomorrow.

I enjoy the original and I'm going to watch it again tonight to refresh my memory. I'm not a teenage male and I can see it without judging how hot the lead actress is.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 02:43 AM

5. I WON'T ...REPEAT won't go see this.

its white washed, period.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:41 AM

7. What do you think about the original director's take on it?

Summarized here?

I won't question your impression, because you certainly have a different stake in it than I do, and I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 03:37 PM

9. Japanese view things differently in Japan

They are the majority on their island nation. In America its different. Asians are the minority here, and so if white people want to abscond with Japanese culture, wear our historic clothing, cook our food, they are in the MAJORITY. If THEY want to play a part that was normally meant for a Japanese they can do it. IF they want to wear our clothing, and even our faces, they can do that, because who fucking cares. They are in the majority after all, and they did it with the Native Americans, and with African Americans, why not Asians?

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 05:05 PM

10. That's a very interesting and thoughtful answer. Thanks.

For good or ill, marketability also plays a role, and (for now) western studios are still (primarily) marketing for western audiences. With that in mind, is there a current young Asian actress with name-recognition in the west and box office resume to match Ms. Johannson's?

That won't be the case for long, with the HUGE market in Asia gaining more and more power in western movie making, but that's where we are for now.

It also seems that the studio experimented with Asian-izing a western actress, but these plans were abandoned, hopefully when someone realized that it was a gross and racist thing to do.



Thanks for your answer!

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Response to Orrex (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:08 PM

11. Does it matter?

Show me how many Asian roles there are in the United States. Few? There is your answer. You want an Asian actress on par with Scarlet Johannsen? GIVE UNKNOWN Asian actresses more parts and eventually you will find someone. Its a little hard now when no one in Hollywood want to hire a Asian face.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:18 PM

12. Certainly. It's kind of a cruel Catch-22

The western movie market lacks a big-name Asian actress to open a major blockbuster in the US, so they don't cast Asian women to headline blockbuster roles.

Therefore, the next time around, there's no big-name Asian actress to open a major blockbuster, so...


Other than a break-out star popping up out of nowhere, I don't know how this might readily be changed, except incrementally.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:33 PM

13. You want someone who can play the part? Rinko Kikuchi of PACIFIC RIM



Rinko Kikuchi's Official 'Pacific Rim' Interview - Celebs.com


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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:42 PM

14. She's awesome, and she would absolutely have been the star of that film...

If that zero-charisma lunkhead hadn't kept getting in the way and shouting at her. Major mistake focusing on the the dude.

I'm sure that there are dozens of actresses who can credibly play the role, but that's only one factor among many, alas. Bankability has a much greater impact on casting than pure ability.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:21 PM

15. Again, provided you allow more Asian actors and Actresses to step up in this country

No one will even know their names.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 06:03 AM

16. I'm all for it

Diversity is a self-evident good with no downside.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 06:59 AM

17. We have George Takei to thank for that...

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