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APRIL IS HAVING HER BABY!!!! (Original Post) Sophiegirl Apr 2017 OP
It's about time! redwitch Apr 2017 #1
My pleasure Sophiegirl Apr 2017 #2
Yay! shenmue Apr 2017 #3
Thank you! blogslut Apr 2017 #4
Here is Houston's new baby public debut yesterday duncang Apr 2017 #5
Of course April will have her baby in April IronLionZion Apr 2017 #6
15 year old April is having her baby on April 15!! Siwsan Apr 2017 #7
The baby's legs are out! nt procon Apr 2017 #8
FINALLY!!! Sophiegirl Apr 2017 #9
Thank you! GoCubsGo Apr 2017 #10
Giraffes Bear Creek Apr 2017 #11
Why? CountAllVotes Apr 2017 #30
Not true Bear Creek Apr 2017 #40
When did this happen? CountAllVotes Apr 2017 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Bear Creek Apr 2017 #57
have you visited this link: CountAllVotes Apr 2017 #59
Thanks for the heads up... llmart Apr 2017 #12
Some baby face! blogslut Apr 2017 #13
Is that the anxious father pacing around in the next pen? ret5hd Apr 2017 #14
Yes, that is him. blogslut Apr 2017 #15
Male giraffes abandon the female after conception oberliner Apr 2017 #25
Baby giraffe is here! DesertRat Apr 2017 #16
Love how Papa Giraffe is pacing... llmart Apr 2017 #18
Yes DesertRat Apr 2017 #19
I know anthropomorphism is fun - but that's not what is happening here. oberliner Apr 2017 #26
April and Oliver are the only giraffes at Animal Adventure Park csziggy Apr 2017 #39
To quote the zookeepers: "Oliver is a bull. And a bull is a bull is a bull!" oberliner Apr 2017 #42
Even a bull giraffe needs companionship csziggy Apr 2017 #49
Understood oberliner Apr 2017 #54
where "bonded" locked up at a roadside tourist trap jberryhill Apr 2017 #51
The debate over whether or not animals should be in captivity csziggy Apr 2017 #53
The poor baby giraffes have such... 3catwoman3 Apr 2017 #17
It is a long drop, right on the head! DesertRat Apr 2017 #24
Are dad giraffes participants in the... 3catwoman3 Apr 2017 #20
No DesertRat Apr 2017 #23
I love how the papa giraffe is pacing by the door! Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #21
Male giraffes abandon the female after conception oberliner Apr 2017 #28
Is that the Dad? I noticed him peeking over earlier Rhiannon12866 Apr 2017 #36
Hasn't he done enough? Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #37
Male giraffes are done once she's pregnant. tammywammy Apr 2017 #43
Apparently, the dad giraffe is an asshole? Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #56
The baby's head is out now... Sophiegirl Apr 2017 #22
There is a contest to name it... llmart Apr 2017 #27
Giraffy McGirafface? Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #31
Or maybe, in honor of April 15th... 3catwoman3 Apr 2017 #58
One of the fillies we had born on April 15 was named Iris as her barn name csziggy Apr 2017 #33
Or Bunny. nt Laffy Kat Apr 2017 #50
She's trying to stand! stopwastingmymoney Apr 2017 #29
The baby is on... 3catwoman3 Apr 2017 #32
There should be live cams in slaughterhouses oberliner Apr 2017 #34
Notice the sponsor change?? Sophiegirl Apr 2017 #35
The baby is interested in the people stopwastingmymoney Apr 2017 #38
April may not be ready for the baby to nurse csziggy Apr 2017 #41
Ah I don't think I've heard that before stopwastingmymoney Apr 2017 #44
We've only had one mare where it was a problem csziggy Apr 2017 #52
My dog is doing her impression of April stopwastingmymoney Apr 2017 #46
Best Wishes to Baby :) Donkees Apr 2017 #45
Baby is standing and nursing 10:30 AM TexasBushwhacker Apr 2017 #47
Hooray! Laffy Kat Apr 2017 #48

Siwsan

(26,250 posts)
7. 15 year old April is having her baby on April 15!!
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 08:39 AM
Apr 2017

I looked over at the computer screen just as someone was rushing around, tossing down more bedding. April was facing me so it wasn't until she turned that I saw IT IS HAPPENING!! Very cool! I'm having Mimosas, as soon as the little sweetheart is wobbling around.

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
9. FINALLY!!!
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 09:09 AM
Apr 2017

I'm so excited.

I just can't hide it

Imma 'bout lose control, but I think I like it!!!

Go April!!!

(Sorry...certain songs just kick up in my head)

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
10. Thank you!
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 09:12 AM
Apr 2017

But, of course, she decides to have it while I'm off to Zumba class, rather than at a time when I have been watching... Oh well. I hope they baby come out okay.

CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
30. Why?
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:28 AM
Apr 2017

Ohio has the weakest animal protection laws in the whole of the USA. It is sickening.

They don't deserve to have the giraffe as "their" animal.

Ohio deserves NOTHING until they shore up their animal protections laws and practices!

Ohio = puppy mill hell!



Bear Creek

(883 posts)
40. Not true
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:02 AM
Apr 2017

Ohio leads in conservation efforts and re-population of endangered speices. Puppy mills have been pretty much shut down.

Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #55)

CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
59. have you visited this link:
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 03:09 PM
Apr 2017
http://banohiodogauctions.com/

Coalition to Ban Ohio Dog Auctions

Coalition to Ban Ohio Dog Auctions is an Ohio citizen-driven, community based organization recognized as a §501(c)(4) by the Internal Revenue Service.


and ...

http://animallawcoalition.com/-gov-signs-ohio-breeder-bill/


***************

If these reprehensible if not criminal practices are no longer occurring well good. That means that the AKC is out of a few jobs now too!

They are all in it together if you had not yet figured it out as the AKC is nothing but a mob of greedy do-nothings.

Good luck with the next dog you buy in Ohio ... *cough*


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
26. I know anthropomorphism is fun - but that's not what is happening here.
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:26 AM
Apr 2017

Last edited Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Male giraffes abandon the female after conception and have nothing to do with the offspring.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
39. April and Oliver are the only giraffes at Animal Adventure Park
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:59 AM
Apr 2017

So they are bonded in a way that would not be normal in the wild. Behavior in captivity is completely different than that in natural habitats.

I know horses and in the wild there is a stallion that tries to control his band of mares. He does not participate in the births and has nothing to do with the upbringing of the foals but he does help protect the herd from predators and other stallions. The mares go off on their own to foal alone and bring their foals back to the herd when the foals are bonded to their mothers and are able to run - usually in just a day or two.

On the other hand, foalings in human controlled environments are different. Other horses are close around and they all get excited. I never let my stallion be close when foals were born, but other mares and geldings were often in neighboring pastures. They all got excited, similar to the way that Oliver is acting.

You want to see a grown horse get totally silly? Watch an older gelding not used to seeing baby horses see a foal for the first time. They get completely ga-ga over the babies! I used to have to warn my boarders whose geldings had not been at boarding farms to not try to ride in the field next to the foaling pasture. For the first few days, they would get no riding done, the geldings were so distracted they would sometimes trip over their own feet!

Gelding behavior is not seen in the wild since geldings are a human development, but even young stallions get silly over baby horses.While we kept the stallion away, sometimes we'd have yearling or two year old stallions on the farm and they got as enraptured by the new foals as the older geldings did.

I wish I had video taped some of those behaviors - they would be great on YouTube!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
42. To quote the zookeepers: "Oliver is a bull. And a bull is a bull is a bull!"
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:11 AM
Apr 2017

On the Animal Adventure Park YouTube site, they write:

"Bulls (male giraffes) only really care about two things- fighting and the unmentionable....
Oliver may share space with April, but for short periods. Bulls take no part in rearing young."

They had to keep Oliver away from April during her pregnancy because he was so rough with her.

On their Facebook page, they wrote:

"He does not want to play house -- he wants to ROUGH house," the park wrote in a Facebook post Saturday morning. "That is natural behavior as males take no part in rearing their young, nor have a need for a female once she is pregnant. Sad but true."

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
49. Even a bull giraffe needs companionship
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:41 AM
Apr 2017

I don't know giraffe behavior in the wild, but I suspect once breeding season is over they either hang around the herd with the females - like horse stallions do - or in bachelor bands - like immature male horses do.

They still need company and in the environment at Animal Adventure Park, April is it. No, they will not let Oliver in with her, but he can still get excited about the event that happened this morning. He can still be interested in the new member of the herd. That is natural behavior.

As I said, I did not let my stallion in with my mares and foals. Years ago, during a breeding our stallion attacked one of our foals. The foal was in a paddock in front of the mare but separated from the breeding activity. The stallion decided he did not like the foal being that close and attacked, folding a steel gate in half in his effort to get to the colt. Fortunately I had a lead on the stallion and the foal had a half acre paddock to get away so the only casualty was the gate.

Even with that behavior, stallions and geldings as well as mares can get excited by a new foal. No - I would not put a stallion or a gelding out with my mares and foals. I also would not put an unbred mare or a mare without a foal in with my mares and foals. But when other members of the species see a baby there is an emotional reaction.

I bred horses for thirty years, owned mares and stallions, bred and raised my own stallions. I am very familiar with how male animals behave.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
54. Understood
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 12:07 PM
Apr 2017

I appreciate your insights and will defer to your expertise.

I just get frustrated sometimes when people falsely ascribe human emotions to some animals, but not others.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
53. The debate over whether or not animals should be in captivity
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

Is more than I am willing to get into here.

I base my observations on horses that are descended from a species that has been domesticated for thousands of years - and that would probably have been hunted to extinction if not domesticated, as they were in North America long ago.

Herd animals will bond with their own species whether in the wild or in captivity.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
24. It is a long drop, right on the head!
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:20 AM
Apr 2017

I watched the birth on the zoo's Facebook live video. The zookeeper said this was a "perfect drop".

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
23. No
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:17 AM
Apr 2017
This is 15-year-old April's fourth calf. It'll be the first for Oliver. He won't take any part in rearing the calf, though. Male giraffes, called bulls, really only care about two things, the zoo says: "fighting and the unmentionable."
"He is a bull -- and a bull is a bull is a bull!" the zoo says.





 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
21. I love how the papa giraffe is pacing by the door!
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:08 AM
Apr 2017

"OMG! What is going on in there??? Someone tell me - it's not like I can look through the door transom... oh, wait, I can!"

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Male giraffes abandon the female after conception
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:27 AM
Apr 2017

And have nothing to do with raising the offspring.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
36. Is that the Dad? I noticed him peeking over earlier
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:47 AM
Apr 2017

I don't know much about giraffes except they are very cool looking animals and the little ones are impossibly cute. Is the Dad interested in the baby or is he just bored because he's shut in there with nothing to do?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
43. Male giraffes are done once she's pregnant.
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:12 AM
Apr 2017

In the wild he would have abandoned her. He maybe curious on what's going on, but no interest in child rearing.

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
22. The baby's head is out now...
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:16 AM
Apr 2017

Once the front shoulders pass, the rest will follow quickly!!!

They should name the baby "Easter."

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
33. One of the fillies we had born on April 15 was named Iris as her barn name
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:40 AM
Apr 2017

If this is a girl, I think that would be a good name!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. There should be live cams in slaughterhouses
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 10:46 AM
Apr 2017

And chicken/turkey processing plants.

If people knew what went on there, maybe they would change their behavior.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
41. April may not be ready for the baby to nurse
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:04 AM
Apr 2017

She is still delivering the afterbirth. I don't know about giraffes but with horses, they usually do not nurse until the afterbirth is out. Until it has cleared the mother is still experiencing contractions and are not comfortable.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,041 posts)
44. Ah I don't think I've heard that before
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:21 AM
Apr 2017

I have been present at the birth of horses several times, it's amazing how quick everyone is up and running around

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
52. We've only had one mare where it was a problem
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 11:48 AM
Apr 2017

She tended to retain her placenta and would not let down her milk until the placenta cleared. More than once we had to have the vet out to give her drugs to get the placenta out quickly.

It's a nuisance!

And yes - if the foal is not standing within an hour there is a problem. We had two dummy foals - brain damaged and unable to stand or nurse - that we lost. And we had two premature foals with contracted tendons that could not stand without help. (The preemies both survived - one is still here at eighteen and has produced some spectacular foals.) But out of over thirty years of breeding, that is not a bad percentage of problem babies. Most of ours were vigorous - some tried to stand before they were completely out of their mamas!

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