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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsMr. Tavernier passed away last Sunday.
As some of you might remember, he went in the hospital a few weeks ago with abdominal issues, and skipping all the details, he is no longer with me.
You all sent wonderful thoughts and prayers of support at the time, and so there is no need for a thread of bereavement. However I would very much appreciate any advice from other spouses who have "been there". I have a wonderful family and many friends so I'm better off than lots, but I also feel like I'm suddenly in uncharted territory, and it's a little scary.
brucefan
(1,549 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Please carry on his legacy by joining all of us here. The collective body of DUers is always here to provide love and support. Glad to know you have a wonderful family and many friends; they will certainly help you through this time.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)I'm actually a long time DU member, going back to before Bush. Mr T was not computer oriented, although he enjoyed hearing DU member comments that I passed on to him. I'm mostly on the breaking or daily news forums, but come over to the lounge from time to time for a softer perspective.
samnsara
(17,615 posts)..but know we are here for you. There are some threads in the support group dealing with loss and the aftermath. The posts may be old but I'm sure the advice is timely. ((HUGS))
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm very sorry to hear about your loss.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)My thoughts (prayers if you like) are with you as you mourn.
gademocrat7
(10,654 posts)hlthe2b
(102,219 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)With it being so recent and sounding like it was rather sudden so I'm sure you must still be reeling.
DUers overall are compassionate caring people but as someone has mentioned there's also a bereavement support group here where you may find even more of the type of support and advice you said you're looking for. Here's the link to it to make it easier: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1234
iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,601 posts)You are so busy at first, that the enormity of the situation doesn't hit you until about 6 weeks, which sadly, is almost the exact time that your friends and family start getting back to their own lives. You may find that you aren't eating much or sleeping much. It's important to eat nutritious foods, particularly if you aren't eating much. You might believe that you don't even care, but this is the time to try your best to think logically, sleep whenever and wherever you can and find a bereavement group, even an online one, if you can. Take your time and thought on any major decisions, and don't let anyone pressure you. It is an enormous shock. Take care of yourself.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)Eating isn't a problem. I am more of a stress eater. I'll probably have to diet in six weeks.
But thanks for the warning that it will get quieter and lonelier in a few weeks. I've thought about accepting an invitation to visit a friend out of state around that time. Maybe that will be a perfect time.
Highway61
(2,568 posts)I lost my daughter. It's been 12 years now. She was ready for college and then...gone. You will be in shock in the beginning. Then sadness, anger, well, just about every emotion one can feel. It is ALL NORMAL. Cry as much as you need to. Keep family and friends close. However a therapist helped me out for a while. You may need to go that route. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
Time will lessen the intense pain. It DOES get better. I promise.
Remember, all the feelings and emotions you feel are normal. It will take a while. You can't erase love. He will ALWAYS be inside your heart. That, my dear is forever. Bless you.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Perhaps there's a similar service you could seek out?
People found her through the church but the counseling was intentionally non denominational.
And if the notion of church is off putting, a local funeral director might lend direction. Bereavement counseling is different than therapy....it's a short term, steadying kind of approach.
And in my mom's case, while non denominational, the church covered the cost as a service to the community at large.
Peace to you ~
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)May you find solace with your family at this difficult time.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)williesgirl
(4,033 posts)You're going to need them. My Bud passed 17 years ago and it's just as raw now as then. Time won't heal this wound. I hated when well-meaning folks started nudging me to date a year or 2 later. What has helped me is I talk to him all the time, listen to music we enjoyed together (although that usually brings on the tears) and keep special photos where I and others can see them. Good vibes being sent your way. If I can help in any way, let me know.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)Laughter was the thing that brought and kept us together for nearly 40 years, so I joke with him now. And I can feel his eye roll when people get too schmaltzy.
Thanks for sharing.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)for the loss of your beloved Mr. Tavernier.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)I lost my husband seven years ago. The best advice I can give you is to let yourself feel what you're feeling. I tried to "be strong"...Mike had been sick, we had a great, long marriage, etc., so I didn't let myself truly mourn in the immediate aftermath. And about two weeks in I came as close to a breakdown as I've ever been. So don't deny yourself. If you feel yourself tearing up, let it happen. Your true friends will understand and support you. No one else matters. Also, soon (if you haven't already) you'll hit the "anger" stage...let it work for you. Slam doors, kick boxes, yell. Let it out. It helps. And above all, know this. This is not something you "get over", but you do get through it, and you do get passed it. Let time play out. He'll always be in your heart, and he'll always be with you. Peace.
This helped me through...I hope it helps you.
Gone From My Sight
Henry Van Dyke
I am standing upon the seashore. A ship, at my side,
spreads her white sails to the moving breeze and starts
for the blue ocean. She is an object of beauty and strength.
I stand and watch her until, at length, she hangs like a speck
of white cloud just where the sea and sky come to mingle with each other.
Then, someone at my side says, "There, she is gone."
Gone where?
Gone from my sight. That is all. She is just as large in mast,
hull and spar as she was when she left my side.
And, she is just as able to bear her load of living freight to her destined port.
Her diminished size is in me -- not in her.
And, just at the moment when someone says, "There, she is gone,"
there are other eyes watching her coming, and other voices
ready to take up the glad shout, "Here she comes!"
And that is dying...
tavernier
(12,376 posts)I seem to be going through the stages like a revolving door, one minute laughing, crying the next. I should be really scary at the anger stage. Good thing there's wine and really good girlfriends.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)You can take, "Good thing there's wine and really good girlfriends" to the bank!!
femmedem
(8,201 posts)And for the first year, the passage of time did not make anything easier. In fact, time was an enemy, carrying me ever further away from him.
But I did rebuild a life, with new and old friends. I reminded myself, often, that he would have wanted the rest of my life to be happy, that having moments of happiness was not a betrayal, or something I should feel guilty about. (Maybe I battled these feelings because of the way he died.)
When I thought that my grief was too much to bear, I told myself that I had just made it through the last second, and that the next second wasn't likely to be any worse.
I spent a year walking a coastal trail every single day, even in blizzards. I needed to look at animals and plants who were barely hanging on in the harshest of conditions. I needed to know that dying of old age was a rare privilege, that nothing about his dying at age 30 was unfair or uniquely tragic.
It sounds as if you have a good support system and friends and loved ones who will carry you through. I wanted to expand my network of friends, so I decided who I would want to hang out with and figured out a way to meet them. For me, this meant becoming an artists' model so I could meet the local artists.
Eventually I caught myself smiling again. One day I realized that I had gone a full day without crying. Bit by bit it does get better. I still think of him often, but I am also happily remarried, with friends and a fulfilling job. I'm happy. I'm sure you'll be happy again, too.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)and it was crippling to the families. So sorry...
Phoenix61
(17,000 posts)The best advice I got after my husband died was from a life insurance agent I started working for. He said don't do anything for the first year you can't get out of, don't buy anything, don't sell anything, no big permanent changes. He knew so many people who in the midst of grief made decisions and when the grief eased regretted what they had done. Make the decisions that have to be made and leave the rest for later. Someone else mentioned a bereavement counselor, they are amazing. If you have a local hospice they may have one on staff. Hang in there, it does get better.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)No tickets to Pamplona to see the running of the bulls this year.
Mme. Defarge
(8,027 posts)made it to 40 years. A priest once told me that the first 6 weeks after a loss is "God's little anesthetic." In my case, I think the first year was about absorbing the shock and the magnitude of the loss and change to my life. It wasn't until the second year that I really started missing HIM. By the third year I had developed new patterns and things began to feel sort of normal.
Now every night I raise a glass to his picture and wish him a happy happy hour and ask him to do something about Donald Trump, since we need help down here and could use some celestial reinforcements.
Do keep in mind that profound grief is exhausting, so try to take good care of yourself by eating good food, and getting enough sleep and exercise. I love listening to audiobooks, which I download from the library onto my phone, during my regular 3-mile walks.
May his memory be eternal.🌹
tavernier
(12,376 posts)Although 3 miles would just be me lying.
Mme. Defarge
(8,027 posts)but I highly recommend audiobooks. There is something very intimate and comforting about the human voice. Certain readers/narrators are simply marvelous.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)I've done the Outlander series twice, countless others, and am presently almost finished with Anna Karenina. I live with my bluray earbuds dangling around my neck. And if you finish any good ones, I'd appreciate a heads up. xx
kag
(4,079 posts)I lost my mom when I was 16. I know it's not the same, but I also know how losing someone you're so close to can pull the rug out from under you.
I wasn't going to reply, but the comment about audio books got my attention. I don't normally do audio books, but someone on DU posted this link the other day:
https://librivox.org/the-autobiography-of-mother-jones-by-mary-harris-jones/
I didn't know anything about her before I started listening, but it really grabbed me, and I kept listening. Lots of interesting vignettes. She truly was an amazing woman. It might help if you want something to listen to.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)MFM008
(19,804 posts)Condolences.
17 years after losing my dad, my mom
Still mourns.....
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You move on a bit, but you are never really "over it".
MFM008
(19,804 posts)....
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Justice
(7,185 posts)After a few months, My dad joined a support group - actually 2. One was excellent, all men. He sees members socially from time to time. There, he shared and listened to people having the same experience, sharing loss.
He also took up a couple of hobbies. Important to avoid too much alone time.
orangecrush
(19,520 posts)Peace and love to you.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)There is so much good information in this thread. I would recommend that over time, you keep an open mind to recommendations from your very closest friends and family about taking care of yourself, getting help when you need it, and letting yourself grieve. Sometimes they see things that need tending that we are blind to because of our pain.
Blessings upon you and your family in your time of grief and loss.
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)will be missed by his DU family.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)have seen help with others whose long time spouse passes, Things honoring , writing etc.
Everyone i know that joined grievance groups did not stay but I am sure for some it is a good thing to have others share. Sounds like you have lots of love around you and that's the best. Take care . RIP Mr. T.
denbot
(9,899 posts)Peace.
irisblue
(32,966 posts)MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)group has helped me through my own losses over the years.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)There are some wonderful, wise comments from many people who have posted in this thread.
Take care of yourself. Let yourself grieve. Avoid rushing in to financial or "final" decisions.
There is no time line for "moving on" or getting over the feelings of sadness and loss.
Connect with people--in person or in a bereavement group or on-line--who will let you talk about
your feelings and your life with Mr. Tavernier.
Spend time doing things that have brought you pleasure and enjoyment in the past. He would want you to be happy.
Accept hugs from anyone who offers them. Touch is good. Laugh if you can. Laughter is good for healing. And when
you feel like crying, don't hold back.
Cyberhugs to you, tavernier, as you sail through these uncharted waters.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)That's why I felt comfortable enough to ask for it.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)hibbing
(10,096 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The big thing is...the time you need to process this is the time YOU need. You don't owe it to anyone else to be "over it" in a certain period of time.
And as I always say to people new to the sad, but always growing community of the widowed, if any well-meaning person tries to comfort you by saying(in the most sickeningly sweet voice possible)"God Never Gives Us MORE THAN WE CAN HANDLE", you morally entitled to hit that person in the face with a slapstick movie cream pie.
I'm sorry for your loss, and you will never be alone in it.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)Fortunately my friends always begin our conversations with, "white or red?"... and then we go from there.
Thanks. x
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)catbyte
(34,367 posts)I lost my spouse & best friend of 30 years on December 17, 2014. I don't have any words of wisdom for you; just remember to take care of yourself and lean on friends and family. I remember feeling like the world was off-kilter, like a chair that suddenly had 3 legs.Just allow yourself to feel whatever you're feeling, there's no right or wrong. If there's anything I can do to help you through this, please don't hesitate to pm me. It's a really shitty club to be a member of.
Take care.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)I felt that way after my mom died. Then my dad. I don't yet feel that terrible sensation because he was just here a minute ago. But I'm holding on because as you remind me, I'm about to lose my balance for a while. Thanks for offering support. xx
IADEMO2004
(5,554 posts)I was still numb the first Thanksgiving and Christmas. 2016 holidays were harder. Our house was and still is the gathering point for family and having them around is a great help. No major decisions is correct. I was never big on hugs but now I find they are very nice. Family members are good at getting me out of the house. I didn't want to go at first but over time I started to look forward to a night out. I think it is ok to say no too. I went to events that I knew I would not like but now I can decline an invitation and not worry it will be the last time I'm invited to go anywhere. Good to read you are eating. I have three friends that lost their wives in the last two years and when our paths cross I find we find quiet corners to see how things are going. That's as close to a support group I have and a common phrase is "good days and bad" I do feel better now but have an empty place in me that weighs a lot. Family and friends are your biggest asset use them liberally. Hope your path is smooth obstacle free and easy to find.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)Thanks and have another hug. I've always liked them.
sheshe2
(83,730 posts)DFW
(54,338 posts)It was VERY hard for her, but she benefited greatly from having friends and my brother nearby. I hope you do, too.
I was scared I was going to be in your same position last year, but the fates smiled on me (again)--this time.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)We dodged it a few times. Almost did this time, since he was released from hospital to rehab for 10 days. I took him outside in the wheelchair a week ago today and he was so relieved to sit under the palms in the breeze after 2 weeks in ICU. Then they called me on Sunday morning. His heart had just stopped.
At least I have that hour to remember with his happiness being outdoors.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)you make your way through this.
May his memory be a blessing.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)KT2000
(20,572 posts)I am so sorry for your loss. He was such a good poster.
I hope you get some good advice from people here.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)I'm Tavernier.
A lot of ppl apparently thought I was male. Tavernier is the town where I live.
proud patriot
(100,705 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Phentex
(16,334 posts)there is also a group.
My heart goes out to you.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Sometimes. He was my best friend. Haven't found another. Good luck. Glad you have family.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)As I said in my other posts, my husband died when we were both 38. He was my best friend too. I very much feel that he was my soul mate. We understood each other. I have been remarried for quite a few years, but this husband is not my best friend. I have tried so hard, but it's just not there.
But I did have that at one time. Some people never have that deep, special relationship.
GoCubsGo
(32,079 posts)I'm also sorry that I can't offer you any advice, as I have never been a spouse. All I can offer is a virtual hug.
PinkTiger
(2,590 posts)I can and am willing to advise you, but we are all different. The best advice is to be gentle on yourself and go slow on any changes.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)quite a bit this past week. It must be pretty good advice. I guess I'll cancel the new car. This is only partially a joke; when my mom passed, dad bought an expensive SUV within months. I understood from family later that it wasn't a wise purchase.
Thanks for sharing.
PinkTiger
(2,590 posts)that I was a basket case after Larry died. Part of that was, we were in a "rough patch" in our marriage at the time, and he was withdrawing into himself. He died in his sleep one night, and I didn't know until 1:30 a.m., because I was up studying (I was in a Ph.D. program at the time). The aftermath was life shaking and very similar to a dream, in that nothing seemed real. This went on for three or so years afterward, even though I had moments of clarity. I was prone to depression and anger, all those emotions.
Too early, I began to have a social life of sorts, but none of my connections were lasting or comforting. I ended up waiting two years before I sold my farm and met a man who had also been widowed.
I'm very happy today, but some of the mistakes I made cost me a great deal of emotional capital that I didn't have in me to expend.
If you have family around you, let them help guide you and soothe all the emotional rollercoaster you are feeling, and get out and have some fun in the process. It's OK: you aren't being disrespectful if you go on with your life.
Be careful, because there are hucksters out there who prey on us when we are vulnerable. BE EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS ABOUT NEW PEOPLE WHO COME INTO YOUR LIFE NOW. Have them vetted carefully, and stay off the dating sites, because predators abound there. In about a year or two, you will be ready for a new person in your life, but right now all you are going to attract are people who want to use you for their own reasons. I wish I had done this, but no, and I could tell you stories that would curl your hair, but I won't.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)and I'm listening. I'm not interested in another relationship so I can easily avoid some of those traps. I'd love a pet though... may look into it after I return from a lengthy visit this summer.
Thanks. xx
Rorey
(8,445 posts)One of my husband's acquaintances hit on me at the house after the service. I couldn't believe it!
I also began to have a social life way too early. I was just so lonely I could hardly stand it, but it didn't last long because it was such an empty thing. The guy was very sweet, but he really should have known that I wasn't emotionally ready for a real relationship.
Marthe48
(16,934 posts)My husband passed away in Jan. I'm in that same territory. Be nice to yourself.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)jrthin
(4,835 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)So sorry to hear of your loss. Grief has stages, but there is no time table for all to follow. One thing that is part of it is going through all the firsts -birthdays, holidays, vacations, family celebrations. The first year is hard. My sister-in-law is going through the loss of her husband (my brother) now. She keeps busy with her grandkids and children. She has done some traveling. Now the summer brings the lake without my brother for her & the kids. Her year of firsts ends Dec. 8th. She has found grief groups helpful. Know you are not alone.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)Those won't be fun this year.
Daughters will make sure I'm busy, I bet.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I guess I thought I was home free when I made it through the first year, and I let my guard down. You get through it, but there are tears.
Maraya1969
(22,474 posts)I wish for you the peace that passes understanding.
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)If you can find a support group, that might be helpful.
Wishing you peace and comfort as you grieve.
Rhiannon12866
(205,161 posts)But you have come to the right place for support that only DUers can provide. Hang in there and keep posting...
LeftInTX
(25,230 posts)I wouldn't know what to do if I was in the same situation.
I don't have any advice, except that I'm so sorry.
applegrove
(118,608 posts)sellitman
(11,606 posts)My sincere condolences.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Texasgal
(17,042 posts)My dear husband passed away in November. I am just now getting my life back in order.
I feel for you and know how painful this is. Please feel free to PM me of you just wanna chat or vent.
tavernier
(12,376 posts)I may do that when the smoke clears.
xx
Texasgal
(17,042 posts)I am a young widow that became the caretaker to my extremely sick husband. In the end he came home to hospice and passed away while I held his hand in our living room. I miss him and love him so much. My life has been forever altered.
The last several months have been heartbreaking and sad, but I have managed to pull myself together. I am currently in the anger phase of my grief. It has been good for me to talk to strangers about him because I can really communicate what I am feeling inside.
I am only a PM away. I mean that sincerely.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Rorey
(8,445 posts)What helped me was nurturing myself. I'd do things specifically for me.
The beginning was SO hard. It's been almost 25 years, and I remarried, but there are still times when it's difficult.
One bit of advice that I could give you is not to make too many changes too quickly. I left my husband's clothes hanging in his side of the closet for months. His hat hung on the hook where he hung it for the last time for a long, long time. It was a big deal when I finally took it down. When I did start giving away some of his things, I did it very slowly and with great thought. Sometimes I would just put them away for awhile before giving them away, just to be sure I was ready.
pandr32
(11,578 posts)It is a fear for many of us.
One of the things I can think to suggest is to create a journal and write about Mr. Tavernier and your relationship. Writing about your grief may help because it is an outlet that you can pour as much of your feelings into as you wish. In the end you will have something special, but can add to it always.
Another thing to think about is taking a trip to break your routine. Take in new culture, new sights, new people.
Best to you.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)to have family and friends but reach out the DU any time things get too tough.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)you have my deepest sympathy. May he rest in peace.