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9 Jolly Nursery Rhymes With Deeply Disturbing Meanings (Original Post) LongTomH Jun 2017 OP
"Set a man to watch all night" probably refers to a head on a pike Warpy Jun 2017 #1
Fairy tales and others stories have been sanitized a lot, too... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #2
Yes. "Struwwelpeter" In The Original German... becca da bakkah Jun 2017 #3
Friends from Germany in the 70s had one for their kids Warpy Jun 2017 #4
They weren't "nursery" rhymes when they were first created ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2017 #5

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
1. "Set a man to watch all night" probably refers to a head on a pike
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 06:48 PM
Jun 2017

which is how traitors were displayed on London Bridge after they were hanged, drawn and quartered. The arms and legs were sent to the 4 quarters of the kingdom and I suppose the disemboweled torso was just dumped in a hole.

He also got "Ring around the Rosie" wrong. They didn't have tissues, they blew their noses by pinching one side of the nose and blowing out, aiming at the street. It's "Ashes, ashes (symbol of death), we all fall down!"

He also missed another creepy one, Humpty Dumpty. It wasn't a gigantic egg, it was a gigantic cannon perched on one of the walls of Colchester during the English Civil War. When cannon fire from the Parliamentary forces damaged the wall it sat on, it fell and cracked. The "all the king's horses and all the king's men" refer to the fact that it was a Royalist weapon and was broken beyond repair. Without that super weapon defending it, Colchester soon fell.

Most nursery rhymes have creepy origins. Kids are the most macabre among us, appropriate considering their enormous death rate before vaccines, fluid replacement during diarrhea, and other advances.

My own favorite book when I was a little kid was "Slovenly Peter." It's online and it's horrible. I loved it.

Wounded Bear

(58,634 posts)
2. Fairy tales and others stories have been sanitized a lot, too...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jun 2017

Grimm's tales were quite violent in their original versions.

becca da bakkah

(426 posts)
3. Yes. "Struwwelpeter" In The Original German...
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jun 2017

....My German SIL had one from her childhood. I couldn't understand the text, but the pictures were hilarious. I especially loved the story of the child who refused to eat his soup, so he wasted away to nothing, and eventually died. His parents put the bowl of soup, still uneaten, on his grave!

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
4. Friends from Germany in the 70s had one for their kids
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jun 2017

and the kids loved it, of course. I've seen both language versions. It's appalling to me as an adult, but I remember the kid who was told not to play in the street and did and had both his legs amputated by a streetcar and of course Peter, himself, hair punked out and fingernails as long as his forearm. Great stuff for kids.

eppur_se_muova

(36,257 posts)
5. They weren't "nursery" rhymes when they were first created ...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 02:23 AM
Jun 2017

in the days before mass media, songs and poems were passed along by word of mouth. Rhyme and cadence made memorization easier, and people often passed them on without even understanding them. Eventually the original meanings were forgotten.

I know "Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater" was about a grisly murder. "Couldn't keep her" refers to her habit of cheating on him. He did indeed put her inside a large, hollowed-out pumkin, where she "stayed very well" because dead bodies can hardly do otherwise.

"Hey, diddle, diddle, the cat and the fiddle" is basically French royal court gossip.

Probably those are both in the video; I can't watch it.

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