Who loves screaming jets?

[KT2000]

Back in the day, the KC-135's and 707's had killer jet engines at take-off. Since then efforts were made to quiet the engines.

Reminiscent of high school past-time - parking under the jets taking off from Seat-Tac.

[Skittles]

1. I went to a high school ON an air force base

so I heard lots of jets

[KT2000]

7. Did you just love the power

of those things?

[Skittles]

9. absolutely

a jet engine sound is my favorite white noise (well, it is actually a mega fan)

[KT2000]

13. Yep -

it's a thrilling thing - I still think it is a miracle those huge craft stay up in the air.

[TlalocW]

2. What do we want?

Low flying aircraft!
When do we want them?
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOW!

TlalocW

[KT2000]

6. Lived near Boeing field

and our house was under the flight path to the other Boeing field. They took off from Renton in the night - shook the windows - to go to Seattle field for finishing.
Parked under the take-offs at Sea-Tac, MJ enhanced, and lay on the hood of the car with friends. We had to watch out for airport security then - would not even try it now.

[Ptah]

3. I worked on B-52s in the USAF

What did you say?

[KT2000]

5. Yeah -

that's what I'm talking about!!

[Ptah]

14. I'm so old, the USAF Thunderbirds were flying F-4E when they flew at my base

[KT2000]

16. Wow - that is some

paint job. Looked it up - it sure can scream too and so fast!

[mitch96]

4. Wheres the popcorn??

[sarge43]

8. Offutt Plane Patch

The flight line was situated on a small plateau about 30 feet higher from the road and pathway. It divided the base in half. To get from one side to the other, had to drive or walk.

It was a moment while walking to look to the left and see a KC135 coming in that looked like it was at eye level. No sound until it passed slowly over head, could just about make out the tire tread. Once over the boom would rattle the fillings out of your teeth.

Nowadays, renew some memories when the A-10s run the Pemmi River about a mile from here.

[KT2000]

17. Rattled the windows

in the house where I grew up. They took off at night - think Cold War - so I always figured it was the Russians invading.

[sarge43]

23. Looking Glass would take off at midnight every night.

My barrack was about 1000 yards from the flight line. LG did more than rattled windows.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

24. A blast from the past

[KT2000]

28. Never knew about this one

I'm going to look it up. Thanks!

[sarge43]

34. If you can run it down,

recommend an early HBO film, By Dawn's Early Light. The worst happens and the USSR mistakenly launches a first strike. The president is injured and can't get back to the comm links. Hq SAC is wiped out (that was a given, Hq SAC wasn't never hard shielded like ADC, thus Looking Glass). Command is transferred to LG, the bombers head north and things get really sweaty.

I mention because veterans that served on it have said the film got the details right for a change. Plus, it's a good story in its own right.

[KT2000]

37. thanks for the rec

I did run it down and learned it is a great-granddaughter of the 367-80, Dash 80 prototype. The first daughter was the KC-135 and the next was the 707. The C-135A Stratolifter was the daughter of the KC-135 and the EC-135C was developed from the Stratolifter.

I'll check out the movie. Can you believe the love affair the administration has with Russia? How can anyone who lived through the Cold War not be alarmed by this - it's not like they have changed so as not to be a threat.

[sarge43]

39. It's no longer communist. It's a capitalistic oligarachy

Just what Trump and his handlers want here.

Of course, they're a threat; probably worse than the old USSR. During the Cold War, we had each other by the balls. They didn't want to be turned into a solid sheet of obsidian any more than we did.

They've read Sun Tzu and their leader was a KGB colonel. Whenever possible, win through deception, not confrontation.

Russians aren't stupid and they're as hard as their winters. They can play the long game almost as well as the Chinese.

[Major Nikon]

10. The B-1B has 4 jets with afterburners

I was at Grand Forks AFB when they launched all of them plus all the refuelers at once except for the alert pad planes.

It sounded like the end of the world.

[KT2000]

12. thanks -

always looking for more of these screamers to watch so I'll check it out.

[KT2000]

19. OK - here a some troops

who felt the heat.

All at once? That was likely amazing.

[Major Nikon]

20. I've been closer than that

A fully loaded B-1B on a hot day would eat up most of the available runway and I've seen one take off from the access road that runs right by the runway threshold. You can feel the concussion from the afterburners in your chest and I was left wondering how much hearing loss I suffered from the event.

[KT2000]

21. Wow - I did notice

lots of protective gear for ground crew.

[Wellstone ruled]

27. We have a couple of these suckers at Nellis.

Noticed when the Temps get over a Hundred,they have to circle the base to gain altitude before they head out to the Bombing Range. Used to think the Blackbird was loud when they took off,these babies are double that.

[Iggo]

11. I used to, 'til I wrecked my ears at a Motorhead concert.

To be fair, I'd been wrecking them for decades up until that fateful day at Glen Helen (Judas Priest, Heaven & Hell, Motorhead...and probably Testament, those floozies.) But up until then, the ringing would only last overnight, or a day or two at most. Now it's a permanent squeal, a hiss really, mostly in the background, unless something sets it off. And any other high-pitched squeal/hiss, unless it's in perfect unison (think running faucet), creates a dissonance I really can't handle. Jet engines are the absolute worst, with fire-engine sirens a close second.

By the way, I still haven't learned my lesson, though I have learned to wear ear protection.

Here's my upcoming concert schedule:

Iron Maiden, Ghost, Kamelot, Exodus 7/1/17
Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Volbeat, Gojira 7/29/17
Slayer, Lamb Of God, Behemoth 8/5/17

Metal 'til I die, man. Metal 'til I die.

[KT2000]

15. I used to take the filters

off of cigarettes and put one in each ear for concerts.
Now it is Blues for me but Joe Bonamassa plays loud - which I love! No cigarette filters for him.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. I live near an airport and got pretty good at identifying airplanes

without looking up. It was a lot easier when the DC-10s, 727s and DC-9s were around; their engines had very distinctive sounds. The DC-10, in particular, had a unique buzz on takeoff.

[Laffy Kat]

22. They can fly over my house anytime.

There used to be an airshow close to where we lived and we loved watching the vintage and military displays fly in, especially the Blackbird stealth. I swear one came in so low one year I thought it was going to take our roof off. Soooooo cool. I even enjoy watching the big, bulky cargo planes.

[dixiegrrrrl]

25. We lived very close to air base back in the day, those 135s went over a lot

Ft.McChord, Wa, next to Ft. Lewis (they have combined now)
KC 135s went overhead a lot, and because of their size it looked like we could reach up and touch them.
Damned noisy, never did used to them.

Wasn't until Boeing built the super big planes that I saw anything similar in size.

[Warpy]

26. Runway 27 at Logan Airport in Boston

is the most favorable one for wind direction approximately 75% of the time. That means every 3 minutes, a jet buzzes most of the city, all day and all night.

I have never hated any noise more than that of a screaming jet. Airports were much better neighbors when airplanes had propellers. They'd screw up TV reception when they went overhead but at least they didn't screw up your hearing.

[hellacia]

29. Even though I don't like to fly

The best part of going to the airport is hearing the engines rev up. I love that high pitched sound; it's thrilling somehow.

[KT2000]

30. I think it's the POWER!

Physics is a foreign language to me but it is quite amazing!

[bluedigger]

31. People who don't live near airports, I suppose.

I'm three miles from a country airfield - mostly propjobs. Saturday mornings are always a little noisy, but nothing I can't handle.

[LeftInTX]

32. C5-Galaxy is very impressive

We used to live near Kelly AFB (about 5 miles) and they would fly them low with their landing gear visible. They fly them in circles, so if you live in their flight path you would hear them over and over. A very massive and impressive plane. Unique sound when in flight.

We used to take our kids and park next to the Kelly runway just to have them go right over their heads.

For some reason I like this landing video. This is how low they would fly over our house. Many phone calls were interrupted due to the C5.

[sarge43]

35. In its day it was called The Solid Aluminum Overcast n/t

[KT2000]

36. Wow - what a beast that one is-

reverse thrust is cool too. Starting this post has led me to some really cool videos - thanks for this one.

[Submariner]

33. Any aircraft carrier former deck crew sailors here at DU?

I bet their jet engine stories would be of the loud variety. F-14 Tomcat and F-18 Super hornet.

[KT2000]

38. Very cool!

thanks!

[jmowreader]

42. I think Trof was a carrier pilot in Vietnam

[trof]

40. In my 40 + years as a military and commercial pilot...

I wore ear protection anytime I was on the ramp.
My hearing is still good.
Many of my colleagues who didn't wear protection have hearing problems now.

[KT2000]

41. That's good

So often in the videos I watch, there will be a few of the ground crew with no ear protection. Not good.

I wear ear protection now when mowing the lawn.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

43. Arthur "Bud" Holland at the Yakima Bombing Range

Go to 4:42.

The odds finally caught up with him, with the wife and two sons of one of the plane's crew members watching:

1994 Fairchild Air Force Base B-52 crash

On Friday, 24 June 1994, a United States Air Force (USAF) Boeing B-52 Stratofortress crashed at Fairchild Air Force Base, Washington, United States, after the pilot, Lt Col Arthur "Bud" Holland, maneuvered the bomber beyond its operational limits and lost control. The aircraft stalled, fell to the ground and exploded, killing Holland and the other three USAF officers aboard. The crash was captured on video and was shown repeatedly on news broadcasts throughout the world.

The subsequent investigation concluded that the crash was attributable primarily to three factors: Holland's personality and behavior, USAF leaders' delayed or inadequate reactions to earlier incidents involving Holland, and the sequence of events during the aircraft's final flight. The crash is now used in military and civilian aviation environments as a case study in teaching crew resource management. It is also often used by the U.S. Armed Forces during aviation safety training as an example of the importance of compliance with safety regulations and correcting the behavior of anyone who violates safety procedures.



61-0026, callsign Czar 52, a fraction of a second before crashing. The copilot McGeehan's escape hatch, jettisoned during his attempt to eject, can be seen near the tip of the vertical stabilizer.
....

On 10 March 1994, Holland commanded a single-aircraft training mission to the Yakima Bombing Range to provide an authorized photographer an opportunity to document the aircraft as it dropped training munitions. The minimum aircraft altitude permitted for that area was 500 feet (150 m) AGL. During the mission, Holland's aircraft was filmed crossing one ridgeline about 30 feet (10 m) above the ground. Fearing for their safety, the photography crew ceased filming and took cover as Holland's aircraft again passed low over the ground, this time estimated as clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m). The co-pilot on Holland's aircraft testified that he grabbed the controls to prevent Holland from flying the aircraft into the ridge while the aircraft's other two aircrew members repeatedly screamed at Holland: "Climb! Climb!" Holland responded by laughing and calling one of the crew members "a pussy".

After that mission, the crew decided that they would never again fly with Holland and reported the incident to the bomb squadron leadership. The squadron commander, Lieutenant Colonel Mark McGeehan, reported the incident to Pellerin and recommended that Holland be removed from flying duty. Pellerin consulted with Holland and gave him an oral reprimand and warning not to repeat the behavior, but refused to take him off flying duty. Pellerin also did not document the incident or the reprimand or notify his superiors, who remained unaware of the incident. McGeehan then decided that in order to protect his aircrews, he (McGeehan) would be the co-pilot on any future missions in which Holland was the command pilot. Evidence suggests that after this incident, "considerable animosity" existed between Holland and McGeehan.

[KT2000]

44. can't watch

My Dad was an engineer at Boeing on the KC-135. When there were crashes he had to participate in the investigations. They were dark days in our house. He grieved from his heart for those lost. All the engineers feel the responsibility.

A lot of those pilots were hot dogs - what about Tex Johnston and his barrel roll. When he was reprimanded he just said "I was selling the plane." He continued to fly but all other flight displays were preceded with the caution - no rolls!

[becca da bakkah]

45. During WWII, Before I Was Born.....

...my dad was crew chief on The Black Widow, with Northrop Aviation, in Southern California. The BW was the first fighter plane equipped to fly at night. That sounds so quaint now, but it was a big deal then.

I remember my mom telling about driving out to witness the test flight, off Prairie Blvd, in Hawthorne area of LA. It was pitch black, and all you could see was this faint streak of light across the dark sky.

[becca da bakkah]

46. Oops. Forgot To Specify.....

....Dad was a mechanical crew chief, not a test pilot.

[KT2000]

47. Cool - think of how much

was accomplished in post war aviation. Whatever they could come up with, they tried to do.

As you probably know, Gen. Curtis Lemay was responsible for building the post warair fleet (not sure if he was nuts then). Boeing's head salesman brought an engineer to pitch some new plane ideas to Lemay. He didn't like what he heard and asked if they had anything else. The salesman asked the engineer if he had anything. The engineer explained an idea he had as if it was a developed idea (truth is he had only drawn the idea on a napkin at lunch once to show other engineers) and Lemay said he like it and said he would order some of those!