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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 01:19 AM Jun 2017

Roswell (N.M.) celebrates 70th anniversary of UFO incident

The so-called Roswell Incident of 1947 is the reason the city of Roswell started a UFO Festival in 1995 and will host the 2017 festival Thursday, June 29, through Sunday, July 2.

It’s the reason stores along Main Street sell T-shirts embossed with little green men and slogans such as “Roswell – Green since 1947.”

“... the Army tells the Roswell Record (newspaper) they have found a flying saucer, and then the next day they have to come back and say it was a weather balloon.”

Frank Kimbler, 61, one of the guest speakers at this year’s UFO Festival:
“A craft of unknown origin crashed in the New Mexico desert and scared the hell out of the American military and out of people (witnesses) to the point they won’t talk about it today,”

https://www.abqjournal.com/1023363/crashing-the-party.html
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An Albuquerque TV news anchor said Monday night"
"Roswell commemorates a failed alien space invasion of Earth ..."

Uh, no

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Roswell (N.M.) celebrates 70th anniversary of UFO incident (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 OP
It was 2 years after the Big One and a decade before Sputnik Special Prosciuto Jun 2017 #1
The Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #4
The tale was quiet until 1980. Later, theories like conflated memories of separate crashes arose John1956PA Jun 2017 #2
Here is a cartoon which has been posted in previous threads. John1956PA Jun 2017 #6
Hilarious! red dog 1 Jun 2017 #7
Much more likely than the Ferangi theory... hunter Jun 2017 #10
Nothing to see here oswaldactedalone Jun 2017 #3
Well thank gawd we can believe the U.S. government. n/t left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 #5
"The Roswell Incident" by Charles Berlitz & William Moore is a good book red dog 1 Jun 2017 #8
I don't know what did happen or didn't happen Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #9
... jpak Jun 2017 #11
 

Special Prosciuto

(731 posts)
1. It was 2 years after the Big One and a decade before Sputnik
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 02:51 AM
Jun 2017

The US Air Force was testing high altitude balloon-borne radar that could look over the arctic. One of them fell and crashed, and when a reporter showed up the Air Force dismissed him with a joke: 'Looks like we got a flying saucer" (a la Kenneth Arnold). The hoax grew from there.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
4. The Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:15 AM
Jun 2017

itself just had its 70th anniversary.

Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting

In a few weeks, we'll have the 65th anniversary of the National Airport UFO incident.

1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident

There was this movie that used to scare the hell out of me. I hadn't seen it on TV since the 60s. Then, right out of nowhere, it showed up on TV a few months back. This one:

UFO (1956 film)

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
2. The tale was quiet until 1980. Later, theories like conflated memories of separate crashes arose
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:45 AM
Jun 2017

Since the mid 1960s, I have read of UFO reports from throughout the country, but I did not hear about the Roswell tale until the 1990s. It is my understanding that a few investigators got on to the story in 1978 which led to various books and television segments which gained notice in the late 1980s and into the 1990s. Having kept pace with UFO lore to some degree, I view stories like this as a form of entertainment and diversion.

One Roswell theory I have read is that there were multiple crashes which produced conflated recollections in witnesses and others who heard of the stories. I am thinking that, as the weight of the various theories now stands, the supposed alien bodies were recovered from some crash site other than that discovered by rancher Mac Brazel on June 14, 1947, and reported by him to the sheriff on July 7, 1947.

oswaldactedalone

(3,490 posts)
3. Nothing to see here
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 07:03 AM
Jun 2017

"In the 1990s, the US military published two reports disclosing the true nature of the crashed object: a nuclear test surveillance balloon from Project Mogul."

He actually said "flying disc" not saucer, FWIW.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
8. "The Roswell Incident" by Charles Berlitz & William Moore is a good book
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:12 PM
Jun 2017

(Published in 1980)
As the OP article states, Berlitz and Moore
"wrote that weather balloon story was a cover-up. that not only was the stuff 'Mac' Brazel found was from a flying saucer but that the Army had discovered the crashed saucer itself and the bodies of it's alien crew."

Also mentioned in the Albuquerque Journal article was Frank Kimbler, an assistant professor of Earth Sciences at the New Mexico Military Institute in Roswell.
"A craft of unknown origin crashed in the New Mexico desert and scared the hell out of the American military and out of people (witnesses) to the point they won't talk about it today," Kimbler said.

Don Schmitt, also mentioned in the article, is the co-author of five books about the Roswell incident.
He and co-author Tom Carey talked to people who actually handled the material (debris found by Brazel)
"He said the first 10 witnesses all said the same thing about the debris, that it was like metal but it wasn't, it was like plastic but it wasn't, that it couldn't be cut or burned or creased."

Schmitt is no "flying saucer nut"
He is the former co-director of the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies, which was started by J. Allen Hynek, who was professor of Astronomy at Ohio State University, and later, Chairman of the Astronomy Department at Northwestern University.
During the 1950s & 1960s, Professor Hynek was the astronomical consultant to the United States Air Force's Project Blue Book.

More about J. Allen Hynek's Center for UFO Studies:
http://www.cufos.org/org.html

More about Don Schmitt:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/schmitt-don/6382

Interview with rancher W.W. "Mac" Brazel:
http://www.roswellfiles.com/Witnesses/brazel.htm

(From The Guardian, August 28, 2013)
"Roswell Author Who Says He Handled UFO Crash Debris Dies At 76"
Flight surgeon Jesse Marcel Jr. said his air force father brought home debris from Roswell crash site in 1947.
Over the past 35 years, Marcel appeared on TV shows, documentaries and radio shows, was interviewed for magazines and books and traveled the world lecturing about his experiences in Roswell.
His wife, Linda, said: "He was credible. He wasn't lying. He never embellished, only told what he saw."
Marcel's father was an Air Force intelligence officer and reportedly the first military officer to investigate the wreckage in early July 1947, when Marcel was 10.
Marcel said his father brought home some of the debris and woke him up in the middle of the night to look at it, telling him it was something he would never see again.
His father maintained that the debris "was not of this Earth."
"They were told to keep it quiet and they did for years and years," Linda Marcel said.
Interest in the case was revived, however, when the physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman spoke to Marcel's father in the late 1970s.
Friedman wrote the forward to Marcel's 2007 book "The Roswell Legacy" and described him as a courageous man who "set a standard for honesty and decency and telling the truth."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/28/roswell-jesse-marcel-dies


K&R, thanks for posting this

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
9. I don't know what did happen or didn't happen
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:30 PM
Jun 2017

I do know that the authorities coming up with one new explanation after another is more than curious, especially when some of them were 40+ years later and seemingly unnecessary.

Here's our new version of something that didn't happen. Page after page.

I'm no fan of George Will but he offered the same summary on that Sunday morning talk show with Sam Donaldson. That was probably 1997 on the 40th anniversary, if I had to guess. Roswell was big at that point, with lots of cable programs offering their own versions. Will couldn't understand why the government couldn't merely ignore matters and allow the public to believe whatever it wanted to, if there was indeed a simple explanation. I had the identical thought. The scrambling to put out a new voluminous report obviously attached to a prominent anniversary reeked of desperation.

The son has been very consistent and credible in his version, from what I've seen. Crinkly metal that would spring back into place, unlike anything he'd seen before or since.

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