about last night's Game of Thrones (Spoilers)

[Catmusicfan]

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Got into a debate with a friend about What happened to Jamie Lannister. I think he is dead --Drowned. Between the weight of the armor and the gold hand + being one handed.

He is dead which would also drive Sister/lover Cersei nuts...setting her up to be the mad Queen.

Friend believes no he isn't that he will be the one to kill Her to make the prophesy come true.

[eShirl]

1. Thing is, people don't stay dead on this show.

[Liberal Veteran]

5. Most actually do.

Ned, Joffrey, Margaery, Myrcella, Tommen, Ygritte, Stannis, Renly, Loras, Oberyn, Catelyn, Drogo, Viserys, Robb, Tywin, Pycelle, Robert, Lysa, and a host of other people have kicked the bucket on the show and stayed dead. Very few have actually stuck around after croaking, with the possible exceptions of Jon, Arya, Sandor and Gregor Clegane, and Beric Dondarrion fall into the mostly dead at one point and/or ressurected.

[eShirl]

20. potato, potato

[Baitball Blogger]

2. I say Dany orders her dragon to retrieve him from the water depths.

Don't forget that Tyrion still cares for his brother.

[NewJeffCT]

11. If the water is as deep as they portrayed

at the end of the show, it will be hard to get Jamie up in time - you'd need to dive into the water and take off at least some of his armor in order for him to be light enough to carry back to the surface. Not an easy task unless it's shallower than they showed.

[Liberal Veteran]

12. That water looked deep enough for the Titanic to sink in.

Which is surprising considering they were riding horses through it seconds before.

A bit of artistic license being use in that filming.

[Amishman]

25. It can't be overly deep, it has to be Blackwater Rush which is just a medium sized river

[Liberal Veteran]

3. By rights he should sink like a stone.

But his story isn't finished and I can't see the show runners sending him off in that way.

Besides, someone has to tell Cersei what Olenna said.

[PoliticAverse]

4. No, he's not dead. And I'm with your friend, I think he'll eventually be the one...

to kill Cersei.

[politicat]

6. Not dead yet, says my $1.

Captured.

[Not Ruth]

7. I say prisoner with Bronn, reunited with Tyrion, for a drunken night of intelligence gathering

Tyrion tries to win them over, but they accomplish the opposite. Tyrion and Sansa did not kill Joffrey, that has to mean a little.

[awesomerwb1]

8. Not ded yet IMO. nt

[NewJeffCT]

9. Supposedly, the cast was warned that somebody big would die this episode

so, that's either Bronn or Jamie? I don't think Randall or Dickon Tarly would count as "big"

[JenniferJuniper]

10. Bronn would be a better guess;

Jaime is going to be a valuable prisoner for Dany and we're not going to be cheated of the brotherly reunion.

And the Cersi/Jaime story arc has not yet played itself out.

[PoiBoy]

16. I totally agree with you...

Tyrion owes Jaime his life and will return the favor... Jaime is a valuable prisoner and the two brothers need to have a heart to heart talk... Bronn on the other hand... he's the guy that shot Drogon and Dany knows it... uh oh...!! It'll be interesting to see if Tyrion stands up for Bronn like Bronn stood for Tyrion at the Vale...

Looks like Tyrion is in a pickle...!!

[Solly Mack]

15. Die..and yet is reborn? ;)

I don't like that avenue as much but well...it is GRRM's world.

And it would tidy up a few things.

[PoliticAverse]

18. Dragons are big. n/t

[Silver Gaia]

13. Last night, I thought he was done for, but my daughter and hubby did not.

I'm still torn, but am leaning toward their side. Its true that someone has to carry that message about Joffrey's death to Cersei. If the message never gets to her, then that scene was pointless. I also wondered throughout the episode why Bronn was not wearing armor while damn near everyone else was. Well, maybe there's a reason. I agree that the loss of Jaime would make Cersei exceedingly dangerous, but there are better plot points to explore if he lives. Practicality says he dies, but since when has practicality been the standard in a show where Jon Snow yet lives? I think Jaime will -- somehow -- live.

[Solly Mack]

14. I don't think he drowned

but anything is possible or likely to be true. Lots of shortcuts and workarounds in the show to get to the end. The actor might also want out, so...

Makes for a better story that Jaime kills Cersei.

But Jaime's senseless death would cause Tyrion to want to kill his sister even more - still keeping the prophecy.

A lot of fan hypotheses about Jaime out there.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. I was thinking about this today. I'd say for sure he's not dead because it was such an obvious

head-fake to make us think maybe he was gonna die. Don't think Jaime Lannister goes out like that.

But, then, there's a little part of me which wonders if Martin, knowing everyone would think it was a head-fake, would do a DOUBLE head fake and make him really dead this way.




I agree about the prophecy, I think an immediate reading of the "valonquar" thing makes everyone think of Tyrion, so (head-fake again, plus the way prophecies seem to play tricks) the smart money says maybe it's gonna be Jaime.


I just don't think that's the end for JL. Also, that episode- which was fucking GREAT, by the way- contained all sorts of throwbacks to earlier episodes. And wasn't there an episode that ends with Tyrion or Jorah going underwater and you think maybe they drowned? Can't remember, now. I know in the books it looks at one point like Tyrion drowns, during the boat trip through old Valyria. (my memory may be bad on the details, so forgive me)


Cersei's already nuts, too.

[NewJeffCT]

19. Just thought about this - whenever anybody has big news to convey

it's almost certain they will die soon.

Ned Stark to Jon Snow, "Next time I see you, I'll tell you about your mother..." Oops, we know how that ended up.

Ser Barristan to Dany (something like), "I'll have to tell you about the real Rhaegar one of these days..." - he died without telling her.

Olenna Tyrell to Jaime - "tell Cersei it was me..." will he get the chance to tell Cersei?

[eShirl]

21. If he was going to die, it would have been in the dragonfire

imho

[Iggo]

22. If he was dead, they'd've showed him dead. (n/t)

[Jakes Progress]

23. Not dead. If he were to kick it on the show

it would have been in the dragon fire. Sort of silly to have a dragon flame you but you die by drowning.

Nah. But he's not the one to kill Cersei. That honor goes to Arya.

[sweetloukillbot]

28. I'm wondering if he's the one to kill the Night King

But I also think he's going to get Cersei. Arya will get Qyburn. And she'll be disguised as the chambermaid from last episode.

[aikoaiko]

24. Its an underwater cliffhanger

I think he'll live since they didn't show him sucking water.

[Ron Obvious]

26. Heck, I don't even think Stannis or Sylvio Forell are dead.

No visible dying, no death. And even then....

[sweetloukillbot]

29. Big clue w/ Syrio Forell

When Brienne asked Arya who taught her to fight, she says "No One."

[Bradshaw3]

27. He'll survive and I got the idea he would be the one to kill Cersei

not from a prophecy (is that in the books?) but from his reactions when Oleanna told him Cersei was a disease and about Geoffrey's death. I think he started to realize what Cersei is and that is a seed that will grow. The Kingslayer will become the Queenslayer was my prediction.

[Efilroft Sul]

30. My four curveball predictions for the story

One: Jaime lives and will later kill Cersei after she's surrounded by Dany's forces and threatens to blow up King's Landing. It's all just a little bit of history repeating itself.

Two: Dany is a messianic figure and will be killed just before she can take the Iron Throne; kind of alike Moses getting to the Promised Land thing, but with murder.

Three: Jon Snow is not Rhaegar's son. Yeah, everyone has said Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon for years, but if Robert raped Lyanna and impregnated her, then Rhaegar taking her wasn't a kidnapping; it was a rescue. And when she said, "Promise me, Ned" on her deathbed, she was trying to get him to promise not to kill his best friend and to keep her sons away from Robert. Oh, I said sons? My prediction is that Jon and Gendry are twins, and we've only ever seen the one in flashbacks. The seed is strong.

Four: In the end, Tyrion and Sansa rule the Seven Kingdoms as king and queen, bringing this medieval Hatfields and McCoys kerfuffle to a close.