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fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:25 PM Sep 2017

People Do WHAT to Their Whiskey to Make it Taste Better?

http://www.motherjones.com/food/2017/09/the-outlandish-things-people-will-do-to-change-whiskeys-flavor/

You’d think the reason Kentucky bourbon became so iconic would have to do with the geography or growing conditions of its ingredients—its terroir, as they say. But historians think it might have more to do with the liquor’s travel habits. In the 1700s, barrels of spirits were shipped from Kentucky down the Ohio River. The rocking of the river’s waves was thought to have sped up whiskey’s aging by exposing more of the liquid to the wooden barrel’s insides, giving the liquor its unique flavor by the time it reached New Orleans.

Turns out, the practice has some merit: Alcohol derives flavor from the barrel’s wood, which causes chemical reactions in the un-aged liquor and gives the finished product its taste—often hints of vanilla or other sweet notes. The more contact the liquid has with the barrel, the more quickly it ages and develops is flavor. In an interview with NPR, UC-Davis chemist Tom Collins said the swill of the ocean, coupled with changes in temperature, could indeed accelerate whiskey’s aging.

Starting in 2011, Jefferson’s, an artisan distillery in Kentucky, sent its whiskey to sea for three and a half years. The barrels traveled 10,000 nautical miles and crossed the Panama Canal six times. When owner Trey Zoeller opened them up, “the liquid was black, almost syrupy,” he said—qualities he attributed to the overseas adventures.

Spirit Works, a small craft distillery in Northern California, also decided to use waves to jostle its rye. But rather than harness the ocean, its owners Ashby and Timbo Marshall turned to soundwaves. To test out whether these vibrations could influence their products, they wrapped large headphones around aging barrels of whiskey, and played music to each. (Other distilleries have experimented with blasting music in their warehouses.) The barrels “listened” to the same playlist for three years on repeat. The first test involved whiskey paired with bluegrass music and with Tchaikovsky’s The Nutcracker.
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People Do WHAT to Their Whiskey to Make it Taste Better? (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Sep 2017 OP
I have a bottle of Jefferson's Ocean (Voyage 9) SCantiGOP Sep 2017 #1
Please tell more people about Old Forester. EarnestPutz Sep 2017 #11
I'm with you, Earnest SCantiGOP Sep 2017 #13
Amen, Brother, Amen. EarnestPutz Sep 2017 #14
I prefer Makers and have had them both many times GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #22
Whiskey Sours and Eventual Water EarnestPutz Sep 2017 #15
Old Forester.. disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #17
It is my contention Cirque du So-What Sep 2017 #2
You pay the premium for taste the 1st two The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #4
So true SCantiGOP Sep 2017 #5
And that's if you drink it straight. If you actually HeartachesNhangovers Sep 2017 #12
The swill of the ocean? Thor_MN Sep 2017 #3
Again I regret that we cannot "like" replies.:) malthaussen Sep 2017 #24
Interesting post hibbing Sep 2017 #6
I drink Knob Creek and don't give one fuck what the critics say. :) MerryBlooms Sep 2017 #7
Knob Creek is fine by me The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #8
Favorite high-mid is Blanton's hueymahl Sep 2017 #10
They could fix up the aging warehouse with rockers? Nitram Sep 2017 #9
Need a warehouse full of these ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2017 #16
It makes chemical sense that vanilla like flavors would result from this process. NNadir Sep 2017 #18
Back In The Early 80's... ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #19
Basil Hayden Bourbon, mixed into an Old Fashioned Best_man23 Sep 2017 #20
To each his own... GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #23
Liquor Stories w/ Jim Lahey- Bourbon RandiFan1290 Sep 2017 #21
I have had more success turning lead into gold DFW Sep 2017 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #27
That's fine, as long as I don't have to drink it. DFW Sep 2017 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #26
Woodford Reserve distillery photos alfredo Sep 2017 #29

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
1. I have a bottle of Jefferson's Ocean (Voyage 9)
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:05 PM
Sep 2017

$90 for a 750ml bottle, it was given to me as a gift.
It's only connection to Thomas Jefferson is that, like all large landowners of his time, he would distill his excess grain into whiskey. Many people later noted that the Kentucky whiskeys that came down the Mississippi on barges had a deeper color and richer taste than others, presumably from sloshing around in the oak barrels during the voyage. That is why the distiller began putting the barrels on ships for the last few months of aging (the first 7 or 8 years are spent on land in the normal manner).

That being said, as a devotee of the brown liquor, I could not recommend this bottle at its price. It has a bit too much bite for me. I would opt for a Woodford Reserve at half the price or even my old stand-by Old Forester at just a fraction of the cost.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
11. Please tell more people about Old Forester.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:35 PM
Sep 2017

It's a classic, old school bourbon that IMHO, is wildly underappreciated.
It's wonderfully flavorful the way bourbon was described 100+ years ago.
Inexpensive, but it's being crowded off the shelves by all the new boutique
bourbons. Spread the word.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
13. I'm with you, Earnest
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:35 PM
Sep 2017

We can be an advance team of 2 to spread the Old Forester gospel.

The first time I tried it years ago it was because I had read about it somewhere, and the article said almost exactly what you just said. It said that being the 'first American whiskey' was like being the first golf course - almost all of the original 13 states have a course they claim was first - but that Old Forester did have roots all the way back to the early days. And this article said that the moderate cost might make some people pass it by.
It is a good drink when mixed such as a Whiskey Sour, or in the way I really like my bourbon: 2-3 ounces and one oversize ice cube. Bourbon and eventual water I call it.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
14. Amen, Brother, Amen.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:01 AM
Sep 2017

I've been telling people to try it for years, but the snob
appeal of the new, more expensive bourbons keeps them
from embracing something really flavorful. If they say they like Makers
Mark, I don't even bother.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
22. I prefer Makers and have had them both many times
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:23 AM
Sep 2017

It's my palate and I like wheated bourbon. Of course, Wellers 12 Year old beats most all of them and for only $39.00 it is a steal.

I would put Wellers special reserve at $22.00 a bottle against most.

Those 'gourmet' brands are mainly nondescript lots bought from someone else, put under a pretty label and sold for $50 a bottle. A friend gave me a bottle of Calumet. Old granddads is better.

Feel like a bourbon but I am in france on vacation. Guess I will open a bottle of Cote Rotie.

Have a nice day.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
15. Whiskey Sours and Eventual Water
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:14 AM
Sep 2017

Now you've made me want a whiskey sour.
Look at Youtube for a video of a bartender in Portland
making a whiskey sour - "How to make a whiskey sour with marmalade"
One teaspoon of orange marmalade, try it, sounds like a gimmick, but so good.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
17. Old Forester..
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:04 PM
Sep 2017

Thanks for the suggestion, picked up a bottle at lunch (on sale too).. gonna try it out 2night with a good freind I've turned on to bourbons from going down the strictly scotch path..

Cheers

Cirque du So-What

(25,927 posts)
2. It is my contention
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:56 PM
Sep 2017

that NObody is a connoisseur after three shots/glasses/pints of any alcoholic beverage you can name.

The Polack MSgt

(13,186 posts)
4. You pay the premium for taste the 1st two
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 07:26 PM
Sep 2017

After that you pay the premium for status and nothing more...

Have a great first drink and switch to a mid brand - You can tell the difference between premium and well liquor in most cases - in high price areas, you can save substantially.

Of course, healthy people will say "why not just only have 1?"

Ignore those guys, why are you even drinking with them?

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
5. So true
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 07:55 PM
Sep 2017

But don't stoop to what a friend of mine used to do. He would pour Cutty Sark into an empty bottle of single malt. He quit about the third time he got busted by "Wait a minute, what is this shit?"

12. And that's if you drink it straight. If you actually
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:55 PM
Sep 2017

make a cocktail - adding bitters, a sweetener and maybe something else, it's the other ingredients that make the biggest difference in flavor, not the whiskey.

hibbing

(10,096 posts)
6. Interesting post
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 10:24 PM
Sep 2017

I've had one small distillers whiskey. Stranahan's Colorado whiskey. If you are ever in Denver it is a fun tour. I'm not sure how big they are, not just local.


Peace

The Polack MSgt

(13,186 posts)
8. Knob Creek is fine by me
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:33 AM
Sep 2017

I like the Rye especially

Visiting Japan, had the chance to drink Hibiki 21 year old single. It was amazing, and $86 in Tokyo (9000 Yen) for 2 fingers and some ice. I only got it because I'm on vacation and Mrs. Polack and I have been saving up.

So yeah, if I hit the lottery, I'd pick up a case at 300+ per bottle, until then, Knob Creek, Bulleit, and Glenmorangie are my ceiling.

hueymahl

(2,495 posts)
10. Favorite high-mid is Blanton's
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 10:22 AM
Sep 2017

Hard to find sometimes. About $65 for 750ml

Favorite low-mid is Buffalo Trace, about $25 for 750ml

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
9. They could fix up the aging warehouse with rockers?
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:38 AM
Sep 2017

I once went to the Suntory whiskey distillery in Japan. The site was chosen because it has abundant pure spring water. They imported peat from Scotland and oak for barrels from the U.S. The aging warehouse was the size of 3 or 4 football fields, the casks stacked 12 high, and the aroma of aging whiskey inside was heavenly. The tour guide said that after 20 or 30 years of aging the volume inside the barrel is reduced significantly (about 1.5% per year) because it gradually evaporates through the wood of the casks (which explains the wonderful smell inside the warehouse).

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
18. It makes chemical sense that vanilla like flavors would result from this process.
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 05:32 PM
Sep 2017

Vanillin is 4-hydroxy-3-methoxybenzaldehyde and belongs to a class of materials, polyphenols and phenolic ethers that are characteristic of one of the major components of wood, specifically lignin. (The other component is of course, cellulose.)

Ethanol, the active ingredient in whiskey, is a useful extractant.

The chemistry of lignin has been the subject of much study in recent years as potential replacement for some chemicals.

It is interesting that some of these molecules derived from lignin are potential starting materials for some hallucinogenic illegal drugs, for example methylenedioxyamphetamine, aka "Ecstasy" - which shares on some level the same molecular connectivity with vanillin - and mescaline, trimethoxyphenylethylamine, which shares molecular connectivity on some level with gallic acid, a common component of lignin.

Trivia, I know, but interesting, I think.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
19. Back In The Early 80's...
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 06:13 PM
Sep 2017

...I knew a guy who knew practically everything about lignin chemistry.
Worked for a big paper outfit in SC.
He'd be long retired by now.
Knew another guy in Ontario who thought he was expert too, but since met the first five years prior, I knew what a lignin chemistry expert was!

Best_man23

(4,897 posts)
20. Basil Hayden Bourbon, mixed into an Old Fashioned
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:01 AM
Sep 2017

Bourbon and I are old friends, also love Blanton's and Booker's.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. To each his own...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:28 AM
Sep 2017

But I do not have the folding money to mix those great bourbons into any kind of drink. I drink them on the rocks and save drinks for a <$30 bourbon.

Have a nice day.

DFW

(54,341 posts)
25. I have had more success turning lead into gold
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:45 PM
Sep 2017

I hate, and have always hated the taste of whiskey (I've been told more than once that I have a serious genetic defect). The only thing I know that will make it taste better to my is to pour it down the nearest gutter during a rainstorm and replace the bottle with one full of apricot nectar.

Response to DFW (Reply #25)

DFW

(54,341 posts)
28. That's fine, as long as I don't have to drink it.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:56 PM
Sep 2017

SOMEONE has to keep Jack Daniels in business, after all.

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Original post)

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
29. Woodford Reserve distillery photos
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:45 AM
Sep 2017
https://www.woodfordreserve.com/distillery/our-distillery/

It’s a lovely place. For myself, i’m a fan of Eagle Rare, and Jim Beam Rye. W L Weller Antique is a smooth wheated whisky. Good bang for the buck.

A splash of water will sweeten your shot. A bit of honey does wonders.
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