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Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:53 PM

Please follow this link to vote for my Guaranteed Minimum income proposal for the The Big Ideas Proje



http://thinkbig.us/ideas/17345/

[link:http://thinkbig.us/ideas/17345/
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Response to Vincardog (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:58 PM

1. Did you include the source of the funding?

I think if we are going to continue to have low wage jobs and structural unemployment then we are going to have to have a new model since our economy is based on consumer spending.
But if we are to promote a guaranteed income that is only half of an idea. That is the easy part . The hard part is coming up with the source if revenue to fund it. What is that source and is it included in your proposal?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:07 PM

2. Import taffifs on goods from low wage countries. Unfortunately, if a serious proposal,

that would not nearly cover the $3000 per month monthly payments for non-millionaires (not to mention, how do you define millionaire?)

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:12 PM

3. Another problem is selling the idea to people

who don't need the money.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:14 PM

4. IF they don't need or want it they can contribute it to ASPCA

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:15 PM

5. how do you define millionaire? Anyone who declared $1 Million income last year

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:29 PM

6. I assume per person in a joint return? If so, you are taliking about less than 300,000 people

total in the US who would not qualify. (435,000 if your plan has a 'marriage penalty').


330,000,000 Americans
- 435,000 Millionaires

= 329,565,000 monthly checks of $3000 each

= 989 BILLION per month
= 11.5 TRILLION per year

Total US GDP is about 14 Trillion per year.

See any problems yet?

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:31 PM

7. OK Americans age 18 +

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:41 PM

8. 76% of US population is over 18. So, we went from 11.5 Trillion to almost 9 Trillion

per year out of 14 Trillion GDP.

So, you want to pay for this with import tariffs. in 2013, the US imported 2.7 Trillion in goods (from all countries, not just low wage countries, but I am just trying to prove a point)

So, to generate 9 Trillion on 2.7 Trillion of imports we need a 350% tariff.

See a problem with that?

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:43 PM

9. OK 18+ and last years income < $200,000

If we need more money tax everyone making more than $200K for the difference

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:52 PM

10. $200,000 plus (per person) is less than 2 milion people. That changes it to needing 8.6 Trillion

total per year and your tax rate on all imports can go down to 310%.

bottom line is that $3000 per month is WAY too much. Most Basic Income schemes put the GIG at about 10k per person.

That and you need to expand your tax sources.

There is lots of literature on BIG on the net. You are not the first to think of this.

Good thoughts though - eventually we will need to do something.......

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:53 PM

11. So did you click the link and vote to discuss it? OR is an internet vote too expensive?

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:04 PM

13. Of course I clicked the link. That is how I found out your funding source and amount. No



I did not vote for it as:

1) way too high
2) way to narrow a base for taxes to pay for it

In theory, I support BIG. The devil is in the details .....

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