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Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:10 AM

 

So are we on our way there?

It seems that after FDR, moderate Truman took over and the hope of expanding the new deal and establishing the second bill of rights was dead in the water. There was a leftward turn in the 60s 70s but it quickly dwindled following reagan and the rise of the DLC. With all that has happened as of late, and with more progressives and democratic socialists rising up in the party, could we see the work that was left off when FDR passed away, come back to fruition? Could we see the resurgence of these strong progressive and democratic socialist ideals our country so desperately needs?

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Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 OP
yallerdawg Aug 2018 #1
disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #2

Response to Tiggeroshii (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:59 AM

1. We ARE on our way there - we just aren't there yet.

If historical economic systems evolve through stages as postulated by Marx, ultimately resulting in the end of class struggle and the workers egalitarian control (ownership) of the means of production, the failure of the great socialist states of the 20th Century demonstrate that we just aren't there yet.

Simply, capitalism has a lot more exploitation to work through before we have an equally oppressed working class on a global scale. The "benefits" of capitalism over the preceding historical economies continually outweigh the social revolutionary impetus which operates on theory rather than reality.

Capitalism offers a better life for workers who have nothing - if there is no means of production in a poor nation, what is there to take over? The People's Republic of China has incorporated capitalism, private ownership and a degree of autonomy by wealthy elites as a means to an end. Not even China is ready.

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Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:55 AM

2. I would hope do..

 

but we are getting resistance from all directions.. it's no wonder it has taken so long to awaken enough ppl to even start having the conversations again..

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