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Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:49 AM

 

My thoughts on Single-Payer

I think a quality public healthcare system is a very noble idea and would move the USA on par with the rest of the modern world however...unlike the rest of the modern world our system is tied to the stock market, retirement account portfolios, huge corporate profits, advertising, etc. it is so far ingrained in our economic system that affects us personally, on many levels we don't know or have thought about, that I haven't heard exactly how we are going to untangle this mess?

The "for-profit" health system we have has tentacles and consequences I'm not sure are being thought through in detail. Yeah, it's a shame we moved away from a system that was non-profit back in the day but we are where we are and it's complicated.

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Reply My thoughts on Single-Payer (Original post)
SHRED Oct 2016 OP
brush Oct 2016 #1
SHRED Oct 2016 #2
Auggie Oct 2016 #3
Merlot Nov 2016 #6
Auggie Nov 2016 #7
Cracklin Charlie Oct 2016 #4
DissidentVoice Oct 2016 #5
Lenrod Jan 2017 #8

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:51 AM

1. Here's a one-word answer. "Medicare".

For everyone.

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Response to brush (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:58 AM

2. I understand and support that

 


But for the details I've outlined in my OP I am not sure how this occurs.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:05 AM

3. Do it over time the way most business evolves

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Response to Auggie (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 8, 2016, 12:14 AM

6. Start by lowering the age to 55

and including children up to age 18.

Every few years, expand the age groups.

Keep insurance around for optional and supplemental purposes.

It can be done. For profit health care is an abomination.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 8, 2016, 09:21 AM

7. +1

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:00 AM

4. The American Heath care system makes people sick.

In one of the richest countries in the world, no one should ever be unable to attain quality health care, regardless of their ability to pay.

We have more than one single payer system now. Sign up every American. It's the only decent thing to do.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sat Oct 29, 2016, 01:40 PM

5. What I don't understand...

...is why single-payer is not even on the table for discussion, not even among prominent Democrats.

Bill Clinton was not favouring single-payer when he presented his plan in 1994, and then promptly rolled over and let the Republicans kick him.

Obamacare, while a tiny step in the right direction, is not single-payer, and he caved to Max Baucus on the "public option" (which would have been a few baby-steps further), despite having to have known that trying to keep the insurance companies in charge to get Republican votes wouldn't work. They have never supported anything Obama has done or tried to do.

Why is Hillary Clinton not even mentioning single-payer?

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Fri Jan 6, 2017, 12:26 PM

8. AMERICA NEEDS NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

OVER and OVER and OVER in The News Everywhere INSURANCE Companies are CRYING They aren't MAKING ENOUGH MONEY OFF SICK PEOPLE

No "INSURANCE Co." Should Be Making ANY Money off SICK PEOPLE Period

MANY are Leaving The Exchange in MASS EXODUS

Whats Left Equals Prices SKYROCKETING / Cover LESS / You Pay MORE

Costs are Approaching You just Buying Insurance on YOUR OWN Except YOU ARE ***FORCED To Get it Through The Exchange or PAY a $695 or MORE Penalty

And if You Don't Pay That:

***THE IRS WILL SEIZE YOUR BANK ACCOUNT(s) - Your VEHICLE(s) / and Your REAL ESTATE - (Your HOME)

it's a GREAT System

///////

We Keep Hearing POLITICIANS Go on about RISING COSTS / The "INSURANCE" Companies etc

***QUIT TALKING ABOUT THE POOR INSURANCE COMPANIES ALTOGETHER

TAKE THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION COMPLETELY

THEY DON'T NEED TO EXIST

***THEY ARE THE PROBLEM HERE

*****THE EXISTENCE OF INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE WHY OUR HEALTHCARE IS SO MESSED UP AND RUINING THE ECONOMY

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People Need To STOP BEING STUPID and BRAINWASHED and SEE THIS and REALIZE IT

*****WE NEED NATIONAL HEALTHCARE - PERIOD

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National Healthcare / NOT Insurance Companies

***QUIT TALKING about and MOLLYCODDLING Insurance At All and ALL The STUPID BULLSHIT That Goes Along with it and Talk about NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

///////

I'm Recovering from STAGE 4C CANCER

ZERO Taxable Income / Living in ABJECT POVERTY

Like The CRYING INSURANCE Companies - I Don't HAVE ENOUGH MONEY EITHER

I want a Law That Mandates Before EVERY POLITICIAN IN THE COUNTRY at every Level of Government - City / State / and Federal CAN GET PAID:

ONE PENNY FROM EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS TO BE SENT TO ME EVERY WEEK

///////

***AMERICANS are STUPID and BRAINWASHED for Putting up NO NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

That This "INSURANCE CRAP" All Still Exists

and WE KEEP DOING THIS TO OURSELVES

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We are "CONDITIONED" into This INSURANCE SYSTEM We Have

as Long as "INSURANCE" Exists and We Have NO NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

This will Just Keep BEING MESSED UP / NOT WORKING / Keep INCREASING COST / and ALL The Other Elements of it GETTING WORSE

***AND GOING ON FOREVER

UNTIL / UNLESS WE CHANGE IT TO A NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM

Which would Automatically Wipe out The "INSURANCE CRIMINALS" as Everyone would NO LONGER Need or BUY Insurance

So Health "INSURANCE" would Cease To Exist and Disappear AS IT SHOULD

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*******POLITICIANS KNOW THIS

But They're ALL COWARDICE and AFRAID To SAY IT or PUSH for it

Because To ELIMINATE All The STUPIDITY and BRAINWASH Insurance Companies would Cause Them PROBLEMS - it's "POLITICALLY UNCOMFORTABLE"

So They AVOID IT

*****JUST KEEP PLAYING THEIR BROKEN RECORD GAMES on The American People

SQUAWKING Over and Over

"INSURANCE"

"AFFORDABLE CARE ACT"

*****GEE - HOW DO WE FIX IT

***WHAT'LL WE DO

They KNOW We NEED NATIONAL HEALTHCARE - I'm So Tired of Hearing This Shit

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PLEASE READ: www.HCforAll.com

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CHRIST - FIGURE IT OUT AMERICA

OVER 60 COUNTRIES HAVE NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE

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Per Stephen Hawking:

One of The Biggest THREATS To Humankind is STUPIDITY

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Start Here:

SO Ridiculous This STUPIDITY just PERPETUATES

if We Had NATIONAL HEALTHCARE / NOT "INSURANCE"

Take The POOR Insurance Companies Completely OUT of The Equation

There would Be NO NEED for "INSURANCE" - They would CEASE To EXIST

The SOONER The BETTER - That Part of The Problem would Be SOLVED

///////

WHAT? - You're Hungry? - You Need Something To Eat?

SURE / NO PROBLEM / YOU CAN EAT

But Before You DO.....

YOU HAVE TO PAY ME A PROFIT

Then Your Grocer HAS TO FILL OUT A REQUEST FORM and MAIL IT To my 3rd PARTY ADMINISTRATOR / AGENT To Approve / GIVE CLEARANCE-PERMISSION for You To Buy some FOOD

if APPROVED - Then YOU CAN EAT

You Have To Do ALL THAT in order To EAT

BUT..... if I Don't Have ENOUGH PROFIT

*****IT'S NOT NUTRITIONALLY NECESSARY FOR YOU TO EAT UNTIL YOU PAY ME MORE MONEY

and ASK My PERMISSION AGAIN

so You CAN'T HAVE ANY FOOD YET

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THAT'S JUST ONE STUPID CIRCLE JERK of Having "INSURANCE"

There are SO Many MORE

*****OUR SYSTEM REQUIRES YOU DANCE LIKE MARIONETTES

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and VERY POSSIBLE They - THE IRS will SEIZE your BANK ACCOUNT(s) - Your VEHICLE(s) - and Your REAL ESTATE / (Your HOME)

*****THEY DO THIS TO PEOPLE - it's TOTAL BULLSHIT THEY CAN DO THIS TO YOU

///////

BUT THAT COULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE HAD A NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM

///////

Also - You SHOULD NOT HAVE MEDICAL BILLS PERIOD - and Medical Bills BANKRUPT You

*****YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LOSE EVERYTHING YOU WORKED FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE YOU GOT SICK - IT'S BULLSHIT

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*****FIGURE IT OUT AMERICA

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Having NO NATIONAL HEALTHCARE is Like HAVING a CURE for ALL CANCER - But NOT CURING IT

Keep The Cancer -vs- Curing it and BE HEALTHY

"INSURANCE" -vs- NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

INSURANCE is Like The CANCER Making The WHOLE COUNTRY SICK and KILLING Everyone

But WE COULD STOP The NATIONAL SICKNESS and DEATH of our Healthcare System CAUSED BY THE EXISTENCE of INSURANCE Companies / By Implementing a NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM

///////

*****THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN - PERIOD

NO STUPID DEBATE BULLSHIT

JUST PUT THE MUTHERFUCKER IN PLACE

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of Course INSURANCE Companies DON'T WANT THIS Because it would ***END Their PROFITING / MAKING MONEY / Their UNJUST ENRICHMENT from The SICK and DYING

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ANY US CITIZEN who would FIGHT To Keep INSURANCE are STUPID and BRAINWASHED IDIOTS who Don't KNOW ANY BETTER

There's PLENTY of THAT / They're EVERYWHERE

TOO STUPID To Even REALIZE This is a BASIC HUMAN NECESSITY Like AIR / FOOD / and WATER and NEED To be TOLD What's BEST For Them

By The US GOVERNMENT MANDATING and Implementing NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

Once They Have it in Place - They MIGHT FINALLY "GET IT"

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I'm NOT on ANY Social Networks

Someone PLEASE Cut and Paste This So it Hopefully GOES VIRAL

Send it To EVERYONE You Know

*****SPREAD The NATIONAL HEALTHCARE MESSAGE

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