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Fri Aug 19, 2022, 01:45 PM

King Crimson - Starless - orig from Red Album

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Reply King Crimson - Starless - orig from Red Album (Original post)
TeamProg Aug 2022 OP
AZSkiffyGeek Aug 2022 #1
TeamProg Aug 2022 #2
They_Live Aug 2022 #3
ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #4
TeamProg Aug 2022 #5
ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #6
TeamProg Aug 2022 #7
ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #8
TeamProg Aug 2022 #9
ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #10
TeamProg Aug 2022 #11
ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #12

Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2022, 01:51 PM

1. My favorite Crimso tune

Possibly my favorite song of all time.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 19, 2022, 02:16 PM

2. It's right up there, for sure. Hauntingly beautiful. n/t

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2022, 05:20 PM

3. cool!

great track.

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2022, 07:56 PM

4. I Hear Mellotron & Moog

Those strings sure sound like a Mellotron.
Because of the way they worked, languid pads were what was played 99% of the time.
Boy, those things were touchy! Having the moving head rack across the tape strips were easy to throw out of alignment. Never had one, but I played a couple. Knew a guy (banker's kid) that one as far back as this song.
And that flute like figure is a Moog or an ARP, but I'm going with the former. ARPs got a little mushy when playing a subdued, clamped-down tone.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:18 PM

5. Only mellotron, played by Fripp, or David Cross on tour. nt

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 20, 2022, 02:54 PM

6. What's That Figure Then?

There's portamento on it, and Mellotron couldn't do that.
Because it's the same amount & ramp rate on every note, it's hard to believe it's a wind instrument.
That's why I thought it is a synthesizer.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 20, 2022, 04:58 PM

7. "Figure"? It's been decades since I was in music theory class. I don;t remember that

term..

The sound you're hearing is likely Fripp's sustaining guitar.

There is no Moog, mini or otherwise, or AARP with this line up of KC.

There is some violin, trumpet and cello on the album in places.

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 20, 2022, 05:27 PM

8. I'll Have To Research That

As someone who plays both keys & guitar, what I'm hearing can't be done on guitar, or at least couldn't in the early 70s. As great as Fripp is at coaxing sounds out of a guitar, I'm not hearing guitar.
I'm not big into hypertech guitar, and i don't have the hardware to do it, but a digital pitch shifter would do it, if i had one. But, those didn't exist 45+ years ago.
Whether it's listed or not, it still could be a producer, or a pal of the band doing synthesizer work.
Still convinced it's a Moog.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 20, 2022, 07:05 PM

9. At what time stamp? I might be able to ID. nt

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 20, 2022, 07:46 PM

10. It's Going On Throughout The Song

The whole string intro features it. It has a woodwind-ish tone, but the filter is clamped down.
I'm convinced it's a synthesizer because there's portamento on it. That's the effect of the pitch starting just below the destination and drifting into pitch. It's subtle, but it's there.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 20, 2022, 08:18 PM

11. Here is the personnel from the liner notes::

Are you familiar with all of the timber and textures that Fripp's affected guitar can make?

Personnel

King Crimson

Robert Fripp electric guitar (all tracks), acoustic guitar (2), Mellotron (2, 4, 5), Hohner pianet (5)
John Wetton bass (all tracks), vocals (2, 3, 5)
Bill Bruford (credited as William Bruford)[39] drums (all tracks), percussion (35)

Additional personnel

David Cross violin (4, bonus tracks), Mellotron and electric piano (bonus tracks)
Mel Collins soprano saxophone (5)
Ian McDonald alto saxophone (3, 5)
Mark Charig cornet (2)
Robin Miller oboe (2)
Julian Lloyd Webber[40] (uncredited) cello (1, 2, 5),[7]
uncredited double bass (5)[7]


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Response to TeamProg (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 21, 2022, 06:17 AM

12. I Suppose It's Possible...

...that it's the oboe, with harsh EQing.
It's still the portamento that bugs me. I can see a reed player bending up, but a double reed instrument exactly the same on every note seems hard to believe.
In the long run, it doesn't matter. It's cool song by a great band. I will admit I'm a bigger fan of the Belew/Levin period of the band.

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