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Grumpy Old Guy

(3,160 posts)
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:00 AM Mar 2023

Point Mugu Air Show

The Point Mugu Naval Air Station held their first air show since the start of the pandemic this past weekend. I was fortunate to grab a prime spot for photographing the action. Both the Air Force Thunderbirds and the Navy Blue Angels were performing. For those interested in technical stuff, I was using my Canon EOS R5 with an RF 100-500mm lens, and processed the photos with DXO Pure Raw, Adobe Camera Raw, and Topaz PhotoAI. I used the electronic shutter and was firing off at 20 frames per second. It rained off and on and the skies were dingy most of the day.





All three of these choppers were completely staffed by women in honor of National Womens Month.







This was a Navy PBJ. The Army Air Force version was known as the Mitchell Bomber. These were the aircraft used by Jimmy Doolittle for the surprise raid on Tokyo in 1942. There had never before been a launch of a bomber from an aircraft carrier. The pilots trained in secret at Los Alamitos Naval Air Station in Los Angeles. The carrier Hornet snuck up on Japan, and launched the bombers for a one way raid. The plan was for the pilots to crash or land in China to be recovered by Chinese forces. Some of them made it, others didn't.



This is my favorite shot of the day.
















































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Point Mugu Air Show (Original Post) Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 OP
Great pix! Were both the Thunderbirds and the Blues both there? Laffy Kat Mar 2023 #1
Yes, they were both there! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #2
Great photos! FuzzyRabbit Mar 2023 #3
Thank you! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #4
WOW!!! nt LoisB Mar 2023 #5
Thanks! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #6
Nice pics! caraher Mar 2023 #7
Thank you! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #8
Probably a slip of the tongue caraher Mar 2023 #21
It's enough to make one's head spin! 😆 Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #23
Wow! Amazing photos! Impressive! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #9
Thank you! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #10
Grump, these are GREAT! Duppers Mar 2023 #11
Thanks so much Duppers! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #12
My dad used to take us to all the air shows... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #13
I would have liked that. Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #17
One thing that... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #20
Great pictures! 2naSalit Mar 2023 #14
Thanks! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #18
Incredibly good photos, my dear Grumpy! GREAT ACTION SHOTS! Love 'em all! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2023 #15
Thank you my dear Peggy! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #22
W0W W0W WOW! HAB911 Mar 2023 #16
I'm sure your shots will be great. Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #19

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
1. Great pix! Were both the Thunderbirds and the Blues both there?
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:12 AM
Mar 2023

Usually, it's one or the other. Anyway, great shots.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,160 posts)
2. Yes, they were both there!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:15 AM
Mar 2023

It is unusual that they would both be performing at the same event. It was exciting to be sitting right in front of them and seeing them parked within a few yards of each other.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
7. Nice pics!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:24 AM
Mar 2023

One small correction - the Navy version of the B-25 was not the PBY, it was the PBJ.

The PBY was a flying boat:

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,160 posts)
8. Thank you!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:32 AM
Mar 2023

Last edited Thu Mar 23, 2023, 05:11 AM - Edit history (1)

The announcer referred to it as a PBY, but i knew that was incorrect. Maybe I just couldn't hear him well over the PA system. I'll go and fix it. The PBYs were also a big part of history.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
21. Probably a slip of the tongue
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 08:51 PM
Mar 2023

I had to look up the actual Navy designation for the B-25; "PBY" would roll off the announcer's tongue as a more familiar letter combination than "PBJ" (which sounds like a sandwich ).

It's fairly easy to know when an old Navy aircraft designation is incorrect because the designation contains a lot of information. They start with a general aircraft type (e.g. "F" for fighter, "PB" for patrol bomber, "TB" for torpedo bomber, and confusingly, "SB" for scout bomber, which is how they labeled what would otherwise be called dive bombers). Then it gets a bit intricate. If a given manufacturer has only contracted one aircraft of that type with the Navy, the next piece of the designation tells the manufacturer. There's consistency but no real pattern to those. So "Y" goes with Consolidated, "F" goes with Grumman, etc. Numbers are sandwiched between the general type and manufacturer codes, when a manufacturer produces a second model with that general type. So Grumman's first Navy fighter was the FF, its second was the F2F, and so on.

North American Aviation got the letter J, hence "PBJ." I suppose I could have figured that out, since I knew their version of the Sabre was the FJ Fury.

Subtypes were designated by adding a dash and a number - so F6F-3 and F6F-5 were different models of the Hellcat fighter. And sometimes those would be further modified - e.g. F6F-5N was the night fighter variant of the Hellcat.

The Navy used this system into the early '60s, when DOD decided to put the USAF and USN into a common designation system. So the Navy's F4H Phantom II became just the F-4.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,160 posts)
23. It's enough to make one's head spin! 😆
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 02:21 AM
Mar 2023

No wonder I can never keep them straight. 😉

Thanks for the explanation. It all makes sense to me now.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
11. Grump, these are GREAT!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 04:36 AM
Mar 2023

Some of your finest! Bravo! "20 frames per second."

Have you ever been up in one of these rockets? Their precision flying is just amazing and you've done a great job capturing it.

I love air shows and living in Hampton Roads, I've had the pleasure of attending many of them.

(As you know, one of our closest friends commanded the Thunderbirds 35yrs ago. His wife threw a baby shower for me.

Btw, I'm sorry I can't hop on FB & give you a thumbs up there because I'm always inundated with messages. It's either DU or FB - I can't keep up with both. You're just amazing to keep up with ALL you do!)



Grumpy Old Guy

(3,160 posts)
12. Thanks so much Duppers!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 05:08 AM
Mar 2023

I knew that you would enjoy these pics.

No, I've never been up in one of these jets. I did sit in the cockpit of one when I was eleven years old and my brother was an air policeman at Truax Field in Wisconsin.

Somehow I find the time to post on DU, Facebook and Instagram. My wife is very patient. I think I would go nuts if I wasn't taking all these pics.

2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
13. My dad used to take us to all the air shows...
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 09:23 AM
Mar 2023

And open house events when we were kids. He was a fly guy in the NAVY and was all about this stuff.

2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
20. One thing that...
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:23 PM
Mar 2023

Has been true since those days, plus we always lived near a military air base, I can tell you, from the sound, when a military aircraft is flying by. Hell, I even remember zeppelins!

And all those retardant spewing firefighting aircraft that were in use for decades, the same P2Vs that my dad used to fly. And I am not really and aviation enthusiast! But I used to be able to identify by sound and smell of exhaust which diesel engine, in a semi, was running nearby as well.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,593 posts)
15. Incredibly good photos, my dear Grumpy! GREAT ACTION SHOTS! Love 'em all!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:58 AM
Mar 2023

Thanks too for the captions.

You do amazing work!

HAB911

(8,890 posts)
16. W0W W0W WOW!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:03 PM
Mar 2023

I will attend the Cocoa Beach FL airshow next month and hope to have some shots as good as yours! Wish me luck!

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