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Mira

(22,380 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:17 AM Mar 2015

Question about the silly dress colors - tiny internal poll

I was out last night at a performance of our local art school and sat with a visual artist and painter of renown.
As we were making conversation during intermission the black/blue - white/gold dress came up and she said she at all times saw it as black and blue and her husband standing beside us said that so did he.

Now - to me - no matter when I saw it - in whatever lighting - presented by whoever and in what way I ALWAYS saw it as nothing but white and gold. I could not even pretend to myself I saw something else, and let it all go because I thought the whole thing was just another silly thing to spend energy on in order to not pay attention to what really matters.

Well - I was gobsmacked that they said they felt equally correct in their vision.

Feeling frivolous, let me ask you what you saw, I will do nothing with the info except be very interested in the numbers.


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Question about the silly dress colors - tiny internal poll (Original Post) Mira Mar 2015 OP
I've seen all 3 combinations side-by-side, so I wasn't sure what the deal was in the first place. arcane1 Mar 2015 #1
Maybe you were able to see variations in that representation Mira Mar 2015 #3
I haven't seen it in person but most pics looked like black and blue. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #2
The links are worth studying Mira Mar 2015 #5
To me, the large one looks like the top middle one. Light blue/gold, or white in bluish light? arcane1 Mar 2015 #6
Well, to me Mira Mar 2015 #8
I think we agree. The left two are more like blue-tinted version of the one on the right. arcane1 Mar 2015 #12
I know and I agree Mira Mar 2015 #14
There was another thing going around that lets you know if you have 3 or 4 cones in your retina. arcane1 Mar 2015 #15
The large picture is light blue with gold lace trim, similar to the middle smaller photo. northoftheborder Mar 2015 #30
"blue and gold/brown" should be another choice as many people saw that. PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #4
What this does demonstrate is how different individual vision is. I'm aware of this PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #7
Red/Green color blindness was discussed as we Mira Mar 2015 #11
Yeah makes you wonder how everyone actually sees the world. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #20
Light blue and gold, elleng Mar 2015 #9
White and gold with the possibility Mira Mar 2015 #13
Here is a picture of the dress from the makers of the dress, Roman Originals: NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #16
I was about to go to sleep - and now you are the hell kidding me????? Mira Mar 2015 #17
DITTO! elleng Mar 2015 #19
Yeah that's a good picture with good lighting and a well adjusted camera. PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #21
I tracked down the article about the woman in the dress and how it made it to the Internet. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #23
The photos from the Tumblr page and from the retailer are so different as to raise doubt elleng Mar 2015 #26
Well, here's the mom in the dress in a group shot. Phone camera settings can play tricks! NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #29
Phone cameras sure DO play tricks, SKP! elleng Mar 2015 #32
SOLD! elleng Mar 2015 #18
I never found a decent enough pic of it to judge. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #10
Blue and Black. Solly Mack Mar 2015 #22
I see pale blue and gold. The actual dress is really applegrove Mar 2015 #24
Puce and mauve Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #25
As an artist, my experience is that all color is subjective to the objects and light surrounding it. canoeist52 Mar 2015 #27
Have seen a zillion pictures of the dress, in all it's color variations. northoftheborder Mar 2015 #28
Look upthread, there are several pictures including the manufacturer's site. nt NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #31
Mira, I only saw the dress as white and gold, however... countryjake Mar 2015 #33
Love this conversation! ManiacJoe Mar 2015 #34
I can't answer it, since I saw both, sort of. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #35
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. I've seen all 3 combinations side-by-side, so I wasn't sure what the deal was in the first place.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:21 AM
Mar 2015

I think I missed the original whatever-it-was that started this, because by the time I saw it there were pictures of white/gold, light blue/gold, and blue/black

Mira

(22,380 posts)
3. Maybe you were able to see variations in that representation
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:26 AM
Mar 2015

when others could not.
I was not into thinking any of this curious until the utterly surprising thing happened with my friends.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
5. The links are worth studying
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:29 AM
Mar 2015

so I can put this behind me.
Your second, large picture is exactly how I saw it all along. A beautiful dress. White and gold. Wish I owned it.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
6. To me, the large one looks like the top middle one. Light blue/gold, or white in bluish light?
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:32 AM
Mar 2015

Was that right?

Mira

(22,380 posts)
8. Well, to me
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:37 AM
Mar 2015

only the right (small) image looks like the large one. The middle one looks like it's just a poor bluish light photo of the one on the right, and the one on the left is not black and blue, just a weirded out version of the center one, strange but not black color and blue.
Maybe this will go into my archives of
je ne sais quois and I don't care.
Funny though.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
12. I think we agree. The left two are more like blue-tinted version of the one on the right.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:46 AM
Mar 2015

Funny how such unexpected things end up getting everyone's attention

Mira

(22,380 posts)
14. I know and I agree
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:51 AM
Mar 2015

about the puzzlement of the attention it got.
I would have never given it a second thought had I not had the shock of my friends feeling the exact opposite way I did.
I thought it would be fun to kick it around my other visually oriented friends.
I'll let it run out now and turn in to start the week fresh. White and gold works for me. Black and Blue has always been painful

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. There was another thing going around that lets you know if you have 3 or 4 cones in your retina.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:55 AM
Mar 2015

I have 3

northoftheborder

(7,569 posts)
30. The large picture is light blue with gold lace trim, similar to the middle smaller photo.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:38 AM
Mar 2015

The left photo is blue with black lace trim, the right one is white with gold trim.

I would have to see the actual dress up close in natural light.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. What this does demonstrate is how different individual vision is. I'm aware of this
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:33 AM
Mar 2015

because of my slight red/green color blindness, but the number and receptivity
of rods and cones can vary significantly even among people considered to have 'normal'
vision.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
11. Red/Green color blindness was discussed as we
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:46 AM
Mar 2015

began to take this difference a little more seriously, and not having this potential visual problem ourselves we did not know.
More than anything we were wondering what people saw in general and how different this may be from what we see. Especially confronted with that we did not see this damn dress the same way at all, and had stood in front of many a work of art or many a painting thinking we were seeing the identical same thing.

elleng

(130,732 posts)
9. Light blue and gold,
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:42 AM
Mar 2015

with the strong possibility of white and gold depending on lighting.

NEVER black and blue.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
13. White and gold with the possibility
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:47 AM
Mar 2015

of a hint of light blue in the white.
That's as far as I can go. Thanks elleng.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
17. I was about to go to sleep - and now you are the hell kidding me?????
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:00 AM
Mar 2015

This is to my eyes as black and blue as it gets, and it's the first time I see it this way.
Cannot be the same dress.
I will now send this to the friend I talked about to see if she sees this as white and gold.
Wouldn't that be hoot?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
21. Yeah that's a good picture with good lighting and a well adjusted camera.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:10 AM
Mar 2015

If you look at the original internet photo in a picture editing program you can
see the actual pixels are off from the real one, they're bluish and gold/brownish
(like the middle dress in NYC_SKIP's 3-picture photo).

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
23. I tracked down the article about the woman in the dress and how it made it to the Internet.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:42 AM
Mar 2015

Posted on Tumblr.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-roman-originals-black-and-blue-dress-2015-2

The original picture was taken by a member of a bridal party and posted to the Internet.

The mother of the bride wore white and gold. Or was it blue and black?

From a photograph of the dress the bride posted online, there was broad disagreement. A few days after the wedding last weekend on the Scottish island of Colonsay, a member of the wedding band was so frustrated by the lack of consensus that she posted a picture of the dress on Tumblr, and asked her followers for feedback.

“I was just looking for an answer because it was messing with my head,” said Caitlin McNeill, a 21-year-old singer and guitarist.

Within a half-hour, her post attracted some 500 likes and shares. The photo soon migrated to Buzzfeed and Facebook and Twitter, setting off a social media conflagration that few were able to resist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/28/business/a-simple-question-about-a-dress-and-the-world-weighs-in.html

elleng

(130,732 posts)
26. The photos from the Tumblr page and from the retailer are so different as to raise doubt
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:12 AM
Mar 2015

that it's the same dress, light blue/gold vs deep blue/black, and add to that, the lighting's everything. The mother of the bride is more likely to have worn white and gold than blue and black, imo.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
29. Well, here's the mom in the dress in a group shot. Phone camera settings can play tricks!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015

What remains to be seen is whether the color shift was deliberately or accidentally done.

Note how washed out the background is in any of the "gold white" images. If you crank up the exposure color values can change.

The bride's mum on your left, in "the dress":



I played with my iPhone and got some similar effects, but I don't have that dress to conduct a real test, and it could be that the phone used by Caitlin McNeill has different functions. It looks like an iPhone 6.





applegrove

(118,492 posts)
24. I see pale blue and gold. The actual dress is really
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:26 AM
Mar 2015

Royal blue and black. The flash of the camera must have washed out the blue to be paler and the black browned into a kind of gold. I definitely don't see any white anywhere.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
25. Puce and mauve
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:29 AM
Mar 2015

Truthfully, I didn't see it, nor did I care enough to go looking for it. I've seen enough color-based optical illusions in my 70 years to not be impressed by yet another one.

E.G. http://www.archimedes-lab.org/color_optical_illusions.html

Apathy; I can take it or leave it.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
27. As an artist, my experience is that all color is subjective to the objects and light surrounding it.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 08:18 AM
Mar 2015

Objects both reflect and absorb color. For instance, "What color is snow?"

northoftheborder

(7,569 posts)
28. Have seen a zillion pictures of the dress, in all it's color variations.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015

I can see all the colors in all the photos. I would have to see the actual dress to know it's color.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
33. Mira, I only saw the dress as white and gold, however...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:22 PM
Mar 2015

I'm sitting at a PC desktop and after seeing so much kerfuffle over the color of that dress, out of frustration, I pulled my chair away from the desk and tried viewing the photo from several different positions.

When down on my knees, looking straight up at my monitor from a very extreme angle, I can finally see the dress as blue and black, just like so many others. I don't know what that says about my eyeball cones or 'puter pixels or even that dress, at all. What I do know is that crawling around on the floor just to view what possibly half the world population sees normally put me into one idiotic position.

My man and I see colors differently all the time. I think he must be color-blind, he says that I am. When I have Evening Grosbeaks at my feeders, he thinks that they are dull-yellow, I see them as more greenish. Doesn't matter to me one bit, whenever I get a flock of those birds, it's a delight to have them here, whatever color they are.

I still think that the dress photo whoopla is silly, even after my dumb experiment. And I think it's a weird dress, whatever color it actually is. (tho, now that I've seen it as black and blue, I might actually wear such a thing. The white and gold version reminds me of a set of bathroom curtains I had many years ago, ha!)




ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
34. Love this conversation!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:59 PM
Mar 2015

The cell phone picture is a great way to show just how good the human brain is at doing color correction on the fly. Normally the surrounding scene gives plenty of clues as to what "white" looks like.

In the case of the cell phone picture, the dress is over exposed and in different light (blue shade) than the background (bright sunny). This all leads the brain to some confusion about what the colors really are.

I have been doing a bunch of post processing on pictures lately, including white balance corrections, so I can easily understand why some folks see white/gold while others see blue/black. I see the blue/black, but not the true dark blue.


Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
35. I can't answer it, since I saw both, sort of.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 07:40 PM
Mar 2015

The first photo I saw, it looked light blue and brown. Another posting of it that I saw, it looked blue and dark brown. I never did see the white, and I never saw the black. But I found it odd that the first two photos that I saw looked totally different.

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