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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:20 PM Oct 2013

I like Downton Abbey as entertainment, but it's a whitewash as history (a few spoilers).

The compassionate, fair-minded, mutually respectful relationship between the noble Crawley family of Downton Abbey and their house servants is pure fiction, and a retconning of modern values to a time when they hadn't really penetrated the British aristocracy (assuming they ever have). The job of house servants in a lordly estate was to be invisible, and the more high-falutin' the estate, the more stick-up-the-butt prim and obsequious the servants had to be to get and keep their jobs.

In the show, butlers and maids are free to act like human beings while doing their jobs - to look directly at the Lords and Ladies while taking instructions or inquiring about something, and to stand comfortably while acting as waiters. That's not how it was. They had to basically be human statues while waiting on the Lords and Ladies, eyes unfocused and still, standing and walking and serving with utmost military precision, no movement wasted and all superfluous sounds avoided. Their job was to be the human equivalent of robots, and to the maximum extent possible avoid making anyone aware of their existence. And they were treated accordingly if they ever broke form - not as people doing a job, but as machines that were no longer useful. They would be cast aside without a second thought, and be unable to get a job anywhere else as servants to the aristocracy.

The rage that fueled British class warfare was real and 100% justified. Aristocrats were beyond-the-pale arrogant and callous toward their servants, in ways that make the most psychotic Wall St. corporate executive seem like a hippie. People sought jobs as house servants because it afforded them food, shelter, and some above-average spending money - and because it was cleaner and safer than working in a factory. But there was no kindly Lord inquiring about your health and family life - just some entitled jackass glaring in fury because his butler with a broken arm hadn't buttered his toast properly.

The social wall between the aristocrats and the servants of an estate was absolute, and fraternization of any kind apart from maybe Christmas was considered an outrageous breach of decorum and natural order. A "good" employer was one who paid slightly better and didn't fire people at the drop of a hat, but characters like Lord Crawley simply did not exist, and a Lady of the estate marrying her Irish chaffeur? Please. The Lord wouldn't just fire him - he would have him arrested on a fake charge and shipped off to some labor camp.

Communism didn't arise out of a bunch of intellectual theorists musing about economics - it came about because the aristocracies were straight-up evil and brutal, even in the relatively fair-minded culture of Britain.

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whathehell

(29,026 posts)
1. Yes, I kind of assumed it was..
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:56 PM
Oct 2013

I've seen this kind of thing before in movies and television -- the "upper crust", be they titled nobility or some

One Percent family employing servants is frequently portrayed as more egalitarian and kind than my understanding

of people and history allows me to believe. I'd guess it was an attempt, conscious or not,

to discourage class and economic resentment.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
3. Yep. And there needs to be an antidote to that. Especially here in the US.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:27 AM
Nov 2013

I want shows that completely rip off the Band-Aid from class injustice. Romney-like levels of douchebaggery should be shown in their utmost arrogance, in serious rather than comedic terms, with all the horrific consequences to ordinary people shown without flinching.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
5. There is an antidote..
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:55 AM
Nov 2013

It's found in college classes, many independent films, and regularly programmed "expose" style documentaries

on Public Television, like Frontline and POV, not to mention on internet sites like this.

We're not completely propagandized here.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
2. I'm sure you are right, but...
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:19 PM
Nov 2013

This is taking place in the first part of the 20th century. There have already been story lines about the emerging independence of the staff and "breaking away". We are already past WWI in the version we see here in the US.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
4. They're badly exaggerating the rate of progress.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:29 AM
Nov 2013

At most it would consist of servants whispering to each other about new labor policies, and maybe the Lord of the estate refraining from doing something beyond the pale to an employee to avoid a political scandal.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
8. The original "Upstairs, Downstairs," written by two actresses whose parents
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:11 PM
Nov 2013

had been servants, was a bit more realistic in this regard.

The Bellamy family treat their servants as manipulable objects and monitor their personal lives. ("I do not allow my servants to marry" Lady Marjorie says at one point.)

Furthermore, there is a hierarchy among the servants. Hudson, the butler and therefore highest ranking of the male servants and Mrs. Bridges, the cook and therefore highest ranking of the female servants, reinforce class values. For one thing, they are always "Mr. Hudson" and "Mrs. Bridges," while the lower-ranking servants are addressed by their first names. They continually remind the other servants always to have a respectful attitude toward their "betters," by which they mean the aristocrats.

Interactions between the servants and the members of the Bellamy family are mostly business-like. Lord Bellamy tells Hudson to get everything ready for a trip to Scotland, and it happens. Lady Marjorie tells Mrs. Bridges to prepare a dinner for the king, and it happens. Later on, when Georgina, inexperienced at dealing with servants, treats them as equals, it makes everyone uneasy.

Yet the servants have devoted their lives to the Bellamy family at the expense of having no lives of their own. One tragic figure is Lady Marjorie's long-time personal maid, who survives the sinking of the Titanic while Lady Marjorie does not. She turns up on the Bellamys' doorstep, because, as other cast members note, she has no other home. But she also has no further role, with Lady Marjorie dead, so what is to become of her?

In the 1970s, when Upstairs Downstairs was broadcast, there were still a lot of people alive who remembered the old pre-World War II system of aristocrats and servants. Any series that showed the aristocrats being buddy-buddy with their servants would have been laughed at.

Forty years later, fairy tales about kindly, egalitarian aristocrats are more widely accepted.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
9. Indeed. I haven't seen "Upstairs, Downstairs" yet, but I've heard of it.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:32 AM
Nov 2013

The naked cruelty of the reality of class distinctions in Britain - or indeed anywhere - has not yet been adequately represented in major media.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
12. I highly recommend it, but today's viewers might find it a bit slow
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:44 PM
Mar 2014

Of course, in those ancient times, we watched series like these only one week at time, not in marathons.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
14. Fascinating, thank you, will look in to this.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 04:32 AM
Mar 2014

Your narrative really tells me the story I have been building in my head about Downton Abbey. I will definitely check out "Upstairs Downstairs" if I can find it. Thanks.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
15. It's streaming on AcornTV, which is available on their website
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:23 AM
Mar 2014
http://acorn.tv/#franchise/upstairsdownstairs and/or with a Roku.

They offer a free trial, and you may like their other programming, which includes British, Canadian, Irish, and Australian programs, some of which have never been shown in the U.S.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
10. this is entertainment not a documentary
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jan 2014

I really like it. But then I liked Dallas and watched General Hospital. (Great drinking games...)

The people I talk to about the show also know this does not represent real like. That this is the end of an era that required servants to be seen and not heard. Due to the collapse of upper crust society, not because they saw the errors of their ways. Though it appears we are on the dawn of a new guided era....

Anyway, I'm enjoying myself, but not hosting any tea parties... ha!



JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
11. The Crawleys' decency to their servants is what makes their story worth telling.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 05:22 PM
Mar 2014

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This isn't a documentary; it's fiction. And fiction tells stories of extraordinary lives, not the most common, whether those lives be in historical times, the present, or the future.

In journalism, it's the "Man Bites Dog" story that makes it news. Nobody faults new reporters that their article doesn't represent the typcial experience on a given day. It was never supposed to. Likewise, in fiction, it's the people and events that somehow stray from the mundane, ordinary existence that make a story worth the telling.

For "Downton Abbey," perhaps what sets the Crawley family apart from any other Earl and Countess of that era is the very fact that they are uncommonly decent people who see themselves duty-bound to the people who work so hard for them. This is the very quality that makes so many people want to watch them and to care what happens to them.


joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
13. I view Downton Abbey purely as elitist fetishism.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 04:30 AM
Mar 2014

I never ever saw it in a way that humanized the maids or servants. They were always subordinate. I could never connect with the royals or elites. It actually shocked me when some of DU's "socialists" talking about this show positively. To me I could only view it cynically.

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