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Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:13 PM

McSally's Dad Succeeded with Socialist Supports. So Did McSally.

I just want to point out that McSally’s life was enhanced by the sort of “socialist” government programs that she will likely rail against in her bid for… er, retention?

According to McSally, here, her dad benefitted from an essentially free higher education under the GI Bill. Sounds like he put himself through college before the war, and then attended law school on the Bill. Framed as a thank you to the troops, the GI Bill was actually an incredibly canny investment in the future productivity of a massive, largely-untrained workforce that would otherwise have swamped the labor market.

Democrats propose exactly that level of investment in higher education for all that can benefit of it, not just those who can afford it, or those willing to burden themselves with often lifelong debt. Even if not paid for in service, that education will be paid for in greater future taxes on earning and greater spending by that individual. It’s what’s commonly called a public investment – the sort we used be able to make, before we became too broken.

When as a lawyer in the prime of his earning years, Mr. McSally tragically passed of a heart attack, it was undoubtedly a major blow to a family with five kids, both emotionally and economically. My sincere condolences to Senator McSally for her, and her family’s, loss.

Social Security would have certainly paid survivors benefits to the surviving spouse. In fact, child survivor benefits might have been paid for 12 year old Martha McSally herself, as well as her other minor sibs. That could have certainly have helped cushion the financial blow that such a loss would be to a family.

Read the complete article: https://blogforarizona.net/mcsallys-dad-succeeded-with-great-social-support/

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:22 PM

1. I'll give you the "socialist support" label on the survivors benefits

But the GI Bill is compensation. Not only for the work one does in the military, but for the constant relocation, lack of stability in a community, and the chance of getting your butt shot off in a war that you have no choice but to fight.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:47 PM

3. The original G.I bill of 1944 was not compensation as we know it


It was an extra reward and it expired in 1956. It was known as the Servicmen's Re-Adjustment Act of 1944, was a great example of government planning ahead to aver calamity and designed to achieve economic system goals of preventing the problem of huge projected unemployment caused by millions of military personnel to be separated from service as soon as the war ended.

While World War II was still being fought, the Department of Labor estimated that, after the war, 15 million men and women who had been serving in the armed services would be unemployed. To reduce the possibility of postwar depression brought on by widespread unemployment, the National Resources Planning Board, a White House agency, studied postwar manpower needs as early as 1942 and in June 1943 recommended a series of programs for education and training. The American Legion designed the main features of what became the Serviceman’s Readjustment Act and pushed it through Congress. The bill unanimously passed both chambers of Congress in the spring of 1944. President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed it into law on June 22, 1944, just days after the D-day invasion of Normandy

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The G.I. Bill was designed by the American Legion to provide immediate rewards for practically all World War II veterans, thereby avoiding the highly disputed postponed life insurance policy payout for World War I veterans that had caused political turmoil in the 1920s and 1930s.[1] Benefits included low-cost mortgages, low-interest loans to start a business, one year of unemployment compensation, and dedicated payments of tuition and living expenses to attend high school, college, or vocational school. These benefits were available to all veterans who had been on active duty during the war years for at least 90 days and had not been dishonorably discharged.[2]

By 1956, roughly 7.8 million veterans had used the G.I. Bill education benefits, some 2.2 million to attend colleges or universities and an additional 5.6 million for some kind of training program.[3] Historians and economists judge the G.I. Bill a major political and economic success—especially in contrast to the treatments of World War I veterans—and a major contribution to America's stock of human capital that encouraged long-term economic growth.[4][5][6] However, the G.I. Bill received criticism for directing some funds to for-profit educational institutions and for failing to benefit African Americans.

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Response to delisen (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:52 PM

4. True

It was a way to absorb returning service personnel from WWII, to keep them from inflating the unemployment rate. It was well done, except for the racial disparities you correctly note.

But, educational benefits have been seen as part of a servicemember's compensation for a long time now. I think it insults our servicemembers to have those benefits, as well as the others you mention to be characterized as some sort of socialist welfare.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:40 PM

2. Frankly

Each and every citizen of this country has benefited from Socialist support, be it education, roads, bridges, police, fire departments, social security or what have you.

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