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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:24 PM

I hope this loads for you; Brownback may have had it scrubbed by now: 17 y.o. suicide in

Topeka yesterday. She jumped from 25th street overpass into BUSY I 470.

Also resulted in a secondary accident, not sure about those injuries.

Her name is not released, but any high school teacher can tell you that histories of SELF torture and family destruction usually accompany this sort of behavior.

Basically, there are NO services and whatever there is is purely voluntary and custodial, i.e. they can't hold anyone for their own good and they do NO therapy. I also assume that whatever there is left in terms of this kind of "care" will soon go under the knife, to meet Brownback's tax plan, no corporate owner income taxes created a hole in budgets that will require an increase of from 37-40% in revenues elsewhere, sooooooooooooooooo, our newly "elected" Tea Party legislature is forming committees as we speak to further cut budgets.

Rest. IN. Peace, young lady, whoever you were.


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Response to patrice (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:30 PM

1. I had a friend in High school that jumped from an overpass onto I75

Tammy was 16. she lived a couple of houses down from us. The reason she did it? She and her BF had a fight.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:48 PM

2. That sort of thing runs deeper than it looks. Having attended certain educational seminars at a

local university recently, where I met many many young LGBT and other adults coming into college life for the first time and I heard their individual stories, I was a little shocked and deeply concerned by how much CUTTING is going on out there. Your friend may have acted on what is called "impulse", but that depends upon how one defines the precursors of suicide and these days it is quite likely that there is a connection between this behavior and previous attempts at suicide and other forms of overt concrete self-harm.

I will not forget.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:52 PM

3. So, what do you think about the budget issues that relate to what is called "care" in Kansas? nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:29 PM

4. I think everyone should have access to mental health care if they feel they need it.

My sister who has suffered from depression for longer than I can remember, attempted suicide about 12 years ago when her husband of 18 years came to the realization that she was a bitch and decided he wanted a divorce. She took a bottle of sleeping pills. Her husband came home and found her, took her to the hospital and called me so he could get back to his golf game I guess

they pumped her stomach, tied her down and monitored her for the night. The next morning I was there with her when the Dr. came in. As we were discussing with her what had happened and what qw could do about it, I can remember his exact words. He said, "if she fits the criteria, they will keep her and she will get the help she needs." I told her then that she would be coming home because "criteria" was the code word for insurance. The drugs weren't even completely out of her system when they released her later that morning to me and another sister. She was belligerent and combatant. We had no choice but to deal with it ourselves.

She's been with me now for about 11 years. I get to deal with her anger and bitterness daily. It has not abated one bit. However, she still has no insurance, so proper treatment for her illness isn't going to come any time soon.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:00 PM

5. Oh! my goodness! You are a better person than I. I don't know what I'd do if I were you.

We have had a few similar experiences in my own very large family, some turned-out okay, others, tragically, NOT. One young man had a damaged back and pain from that, but unemployed and just enough insurance to get him started on the pain-killers, but not enough to actually help him.

We have also seen a few elders off into the heareafter. Some of that was done the way most people think they want to do it. We built mom and dad a house and put them in it and family all around helped out, including a couple of nurses in our family and a couple of office administrator types who took responsibility for wrangling health care, banks, and government systems to make things work for mom and dad. I live in a different city, but heard some real tales of horror about "care" even when it's coming from designated "care" givers. Mom did okay, even through several crises, in this situation. Daddy didn't. People don't know what they don't know about caring for people in their homes, some people may blow that all off, come what may, and others engage the long, confusing, stressful, tired, sad struggle. I have decided that if my health goes bad, I will not stay here. Even if I don't have to do that, everything about elder care needs to be honestly addressed anyway. Maybe the Baby Boomers are the ones to do this, because there are so many of us.

We should have much more preventative care, which would, of course, include BEHAVIORAL therapies of various kinds and we also need complete parity for mental health coverage from our insurance companies. I taught high school for 8 years; there's a great deal that could be done with EARLIER appropriate interventions for at risk persons, if anyone cared enough to make that happen. Prevention reduces costs.

We're just so used to being told and believing, without actually looking into it closely with actual research, that "there isn't enough to go around". Some social science researchers say there is enough, we're just not living in a way that uses our own resources more effectively. I think part of the reason that we accept that assumption is that we think of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE in terms of an artificial commodity known as money, instead of thinking about other solutions that might include things such as enterprise networks of at least partially employee owned and delivered services.

I am very close to my own sister, we're just beginning to get on in years now and whether we're actually getting kind of kooky or if it's just the wild women in us who are finally feeling like it's okay to assert themselves, I'm not sure. My sister has helped me through the deaths of two FINE husbands, so, in a way, I know what you are doing for your own sister. I honor your commitment to your loved one and your hard work.

I have decided to keep an eye on what is happening in my beloved Kansas, I hope to see you around, notadmblnd.



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Response to patrice (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:48 PM

6. Thanks, I'm sure we'll see each other around.

Good luck with your Kansas.

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