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Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:25 PM

Ballot Proposals?

What is everyone's thoughts on the 6 Michigan ballot proposals?

I'm pretty sure on most of them:

NO on 1, to repeal the emergency financial manager law
YES on 4 to require background checks for home healthcare workers
NO on 5, to NOT requite 2/3 majority to rise taxes
NO on 6, to NOT require voter approval of the new bridge

2 & 3 have me scratching my head. Namely because I don't know how much these things are actually going to cost me. I do NOT want Michigan to be like Wisconsin is. What happened there is a travesty. I keep hearing (though I'm sure it is right wing Koch brother BS) that prop 2 has little to do with collective bargaining and would cost michigan $1 billion in additional benefits.

Prop 3 sounds nice but again I'm afriad of wha tit would cost to impliment. I'd like to vote yes on 2 & 3 but can anyone find me an unbiased evaluation of these two proposals???

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Reply Ballot Proposals? (Original post)
Takket Oct 2012 OP
erinlough Oct 2012 #1
longship Oct 2012 #2
pizzadave Oct 2012 #4
demmiblue Nov 2012 #5
Bozita Nov 2012 #6
UrbScotty Nov 2012 #7
susanna Nov 2012 #8
JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #3

Response to Takket (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:55 PM

1. Prop 2 would only say that people have the right to collectively bargain......

if they organize and want to. It does not say everyone would or should. I think that the money the Koch brothers are talking about is the wages and benefits they would rip away from state workers, your firefighters, teachers, nurses, state department of social services workers if they block this measure. I implore you to vote yes on proposal 2 and give workers the right to organize if they want to and can. Without it the powers to be will soon make it illegal to organize and that will not be good for Michigan. in disclosure I am a retired teacher, and I can tell you we have already given up wages and retirement benefits. This will not effect your pocketbook by any tax you would have to pay.

This proposal is biased by necessity. I believe that all of America needs more labor organization because giving businesses the total control without organized labor never works out for the worker. Business other than a rare few do not give away their profits easily. Because I believe that way of course I will vote yes. Others will have an opinion biased in the other direction. Just remember this simply says that it will remain legal in Michigan to organize and collectively bargain. Business that do not have a union now wont have one after this is added to the constitution. It simply allows workers to organize if they want to.

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Response to Takket (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:35 AM

2. I will vote...

No on 1, 5, and 6
Yes on 2, 3, and 4.

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:23 PM

4. Same votes for me. NT

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:55 AM

5. Ditto. n/t

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 10:40 AM

6. same here

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:12 PM

7. Me too - No, Yes, Yes, Yes, No, No!

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:54 PM

8. This was how I voted as well. n/t

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Response to Takket (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:50 AM

3. I voted yes on 2, no on the others

With republicans running Lansing, 2 seems like maybe a way to stop "right-to-work" (anti-union) legislation.

4 seems like a good idea, but why not just pass legislation? Why make it a constitutional amendment? It seems like something even our republican government would like.

3 represents a good goal, not sure about the deadline. Again, why not just pass legislation giving alternative energy some breaks on taxes, and some rewards for hiring in that area?



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