Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:10 AM
sl8 (2,433 posts)
New Jersey Diner Adds 'Kid Tip' to Bills, Angering Parents
From https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Kid-Tax-New-Jersey-Diner-Anger-Parents-456180213.html
https://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/1305%2A734/COLLETTI+KID+DINER+TAX+NJ+PKG+5PM+-+00004415_WNBC_0000000185620.jpg Wayne Hills Diner New Jersey Diner Adds 'Kid Tip' to Bills, Angering Parents
By Roseanne Colletti WHAT TO KNOW
It's customary to leave a tip when eating out, but one particular gratuity added to an order for a milkshake and fries at a New Jersey diner is angering parents. ... More at link.
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sl8 | Nov 2017 | OP |
bitterross | Nov 2017 | #1 | |
flotsam | Nov 2017 | #4 | |
bitterross | Nov 2017 | #6 | |
CrispyQ | Nov 2017 | #2 | |
trc | Nov 2017 | #3 | |
sl8 | Nov 2017 | #5 |
Response to sl8 (Original post)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:16 AM
bitterross (1,022 posts)
1. Good! Did you look at the place in the article? It's not Burger King.
Can't say I blame the owners. If the kids are going to that nice a place then they should be prepared to tip.
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Response to bitterross (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:19 PM
flotsam (809 posts)
4. It's a diner-not the Taj Mahal!
Here's a good question-when they get "slammed" how good do you suppose the service is? Does the diner add extra crew for the time when the kids come or do they simply let the normal crew take the hit? Why should the kids tip for poor service and a crappy attitude?
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Response to flotsam (Reply #4)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:25 PM
bitterross (1,022 posts)
6. You tip at diners too. Not only at fancy places.
You are assuming a lot of facts not in evidence in your hypotheticals. Where did the article say the kids were getting crappy service? It didn't. What it DID say was the kids are the reason the servers are "slammed." Seems they should be the ones to tip if they are causing the servers to work more.
I would counter your question with: If the kids aren't tipping why would anyone want to work the busy time so why would the owner try to staff up? Also: So you never give a server a break if you see they are slammed and tip them for the service they were able to provide knowing how little they make? I do. And finally, don't expect me to feel bad for kids who can afford to go to a diner when there are plenty of kids who can't even afford their school lunch. |
Response to sl8 (Original post)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:31 AM
CrispyQ (24,110 posts)
2. I'm a good tipper, but I hate the custom of tipping & wish that restaurants
would pay their staff so I don't have to. I've also been out to eat with too many people who keep a running tab of every little thing the server doesn't do perfectly & use it as justification to skimp on the tip. I've also seen servers provide stellar service & still get stiffed.
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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:50 AM
trc (352 posts)
3. I agree
Quit using the concept of "please tip your server" and pay them a decent wage. Increase your prices by 15-20% and all will be well.
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Response to sl8 (Original post)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:44 PM
sl8 (2,433 posts)
5. Aside from whether or not it's a fair policy, I wonder how the IRS views it
From Snopes, https://www.snopes.com/are-diners-obligated-to-pay-mandatory-gratuity-or-tip-charges/
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Further muddying the waters is that as of 1 January 2014, the Internal Revenue Service decided that any form of “mandatory gratuity” is paid not to the server but to the restaurant (as a measure to ensure taxes are paid on tips): The change actually came in June 2012, when the IRS issued Revenue Ruling 2012-18, which said that the mandatory extra fee restaurants often add to large parties is not a “tip” at all. A tip, it ruled, must be voluntary in every sense of the word. Customers must feel free to leave any amount they choose — or nothing at all. Instead, such mandatory add-ons are a “service charge,” a fee that must be paid if a customer wants to leave the restaurant without handcuffs. ... Seems like the bookkeeping could get pretty complicated, if you're charging a mandatory "gratuity" to some customers and not others. |