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sl8

(13,719 posts)
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:39 AM Oct 2022

New Jersey Legislators Aim To Ban Most In-Car Subscriptions

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https://www.thedrive.com/news/new-jersey-legislators-aim-to-ban-most-in-car-subscriptions

New Jersey Legislators Aim To Ban Most In-Car Subscriptions

New Jersey officials aren’t amused by automakers’ attempts to charge for the use of pre-installed hardware in cars, such as heated seats.

BY PETER HOLDERITH | PUBLISHED OCT 19, 2022 4:04 PM

Subscriptions for in-car services: Nobody seems to want them—besides automakers, of course. Paying a subscription for things like heated seats or remote start is something most people aren't enthusiastic about. Luckily for them, neither are lawmakers in New Jersey. Two state legislators are proposing a bill that would ban car companies from "[offering consumers] a subscription service for any motor vehicle feature" that "utilizes components and hardware already installed on the motor vehicle at the time of purchase." Yes, that would include a pre-installed heating element in a seat. In fact, that's explicitly mentioned.

The bill has one stipulation, however. The subscription would only be unlawful if there was no "ongoing expense to the dealer, manufacturer, or any third-party service provider." In other words, if an automaker or other associated party can prove that it costs money to maintain the feature and/or service in question, then it'd be legally allowed. This would include services like OnStar and such.

The way "ongoing expense" is interpreted is going to be key here, assuming the bill makes it into law. This, obviously, is not guaranteed. In theory, a car company could claim that over-the-air updates and their associated data costs constitute an ongoing expense. That means anything to do with connected features could theoretically be charged for. Since a car needs an internet connection in order to purchase subscriptions, well, that might make this particular piece of legislation worthless. On the other hand, if the core value of the subscription is derived from the pre-installed hardware as opposed to the data connection itself, then there is probably a case to be made.

Besides heated seats, the bill also mentions "driver assistance." That could be a problem for systems like Tesla's autopilot or General Motors' Super Cruise, both of which are going to a subscription model. Both of these systems cost money to maintain, though, especially Super Cruise. The system requires enabled highways to be scanned with Lidar. Tesla's AutoPilot and "Full Self-Driving" are also actively updated and maintained, which costs money.

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Croney

(4,657 posts)
2. I don't really understand this, but I just want to say I'm puzzled by the sentence,
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:13 AM
Oct 2022

"remote start is something most people aren't enthusiastic about."

I can't imagine going out to my car in 10-degree weather without having started it well in advance. It's especially necessary if you have small children.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
6. I totally agree. My husband is always reminding me not to start the car too soon.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:56 AM
Oct 2022

If it's snowing, he'll start it as he's clearing the car, but then I'd better get my butt down there and go!

IbogaProject

(2,800 posts)
11. A lot of waste and pollution
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 03:19 PM
Oct 2022

Idling cars heat slower than ones moving slowly in gear. Idling, especially cold is very hard on engines, it really wears down the rings and other parts leading to a much shorter time between necessary rebuilding of the motor. I think itling reduces the lifespan of the catalytic converter with that soot clogging that part. And then the one where idling hurts everyone, engines burn much dirtier when idling spewing more pollution.

sl8

(13,719 posts)
4. Sorry, I botched the copy/paste operation:
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:30 AM
Oct 2022

It's the subscriptions that they say are unpopular. Here's the uncut first paragraph:

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Subscriptions for in-car services: Nobody seems to want them—besides automakers, of course. Paying a subscription for things like heated seats or remote start is something most people aren't enthusiastic about. Luckily for them, neither are lawmakers in New Jersey. Two state legislators are proposing a bill that would ban car companies from "[offering consumers] a subscription service for any motor vehicle feature" that "utilizes components and hardware already installed on the motor vehicle at the time of purchase." Yes, that would include a pre-installed heating element in a seat. In fact, that's explicitly mentioned.

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Croney

(4,657 posts)
9. In some commercial instances, yes; ticket trucks for running unoccupied for a long time.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 12:22 PM
Oct 2022

Nobody is coming into my back yard driveway and giving me a ticket. I'm old, and when it's cold, I start my car.

We have to choose our battles, and not try to fit all situations into one imperative. It's always good to be reminded, though, to be prudent.

MichMan

(11,900 posts)
10. I dont think burning fossil fuels and creating tailpipe emissions for convenience is good.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 12:33 PM
Oct 2022

Everyone has their own priorities on reducing pluution and doing their part on climate change however

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
12. I have remote start on my car and tried to use it only to find out I had to pay Genesis a monthly
Mon Mar 6, 2023, 01:59 PM
Mar 2023

fee. Not happening.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
7. These features are "subscriptions?"
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:20 AM
Oct 2022

I don't understand. Do drivers in NJ have to pay a recurring fee (a subscription) for these extras? Here in PA they come with the car (as I'm sure they do in NJ) but you pay for them only once, when you buy the car. You can buy a car without those features at the time of purchase, if you're willing to wait for a special order.

At least that's how I think it works. The only subscription we ever had was briefly for Sirius radio in the car.

I'm 75 and was grateful for the heated seats in our new car, but we bought off the lot. I'm not sure I would have ordered this feature if we had ordered a specific set of extras and waited it for the car to arrive.

Have I got this all wrong?

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