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Texas Senator Carol Alvarado is filibustering the voter suppression bill (Original Post) Mersky Aug 2021 OP
Link to livestream Mersky Aug 2021 #1
Currently Sen Whitmire and Sen Alvarado were discussing the bunk poll watcher provision Mersky Aug 2021 #2
Currently Sen Whitmire and Sen Alvarado were discussing the bunk poll watcher provision Mersky Aug 2021 #2
Duped it, d'oh! Mersky Aug 2021 #4
You duped it so well that there is no post #3. TexasTowelie Aug 2021 #103
Is highlighting how hard it is to find assistance during this time of nursing shortages Mersky Aug 2021 #5
do they have a quorum?? ColinC Aug 2021 #6
No idea what's happening in the House Mersky Aug 2021 #9
Texas is already one of the hardest states to vote in Mersky Aug 2021 #7
She yields to a question as long as it doesn't remove her from the floor Mersky Aug 2021 #8
Discussing with Sen Blanco about the poll watchers Mersky Aug 2021 #10
Whoa, Blanco mentioned a case where a voter called into a hotline Mersky Aug 2021 #11
Do we know if a poll watcher is allowed to touch a ballot? Mersky Aug 2021 #12
Heard testimony from hundreds of Texans; most of which were opposed to this bill Mersky Aug 2021 #13
Madame Chair, I will yield for questions if it does not remove me from the floor. Mersky Aug 2021 #14
Page 1 -- highlighting new language Mersky Aug 2021 #15
Alvarado - that's not the only unfunded mandate 👀 Mersky Aug 2021 #16
Page 2 - if the registrar determines that the voter is not eligible to vote Mersky Aug 2021 #17
Wondering when we'd get to citizenship Mersky Aug 2021 #18
When we get to the nut cuttin' on this one ... yet another unfunded mandate 🥜 Mersky Aug 2021 #19
How many FTE's will be imposed on agencies based upon this ruse Mersky Aug 2021 #20
I recommend listening in Mersky Aug 2021 #21
The 22,000 hours spent by the AG's office lead to nowhere Mersky Aug 2021 #22
There's not a whole lot on ballot harvesting, mostly big government Mersky Aug 2021 #23
Oooooo talking about eliminating the word, "complaint" Mersky Aug 2021 #24
Line 33 - reminding republicans at home - not a lot of security, lots of big government Mersky Aug 2021 #25
Wants to talk about Houston Mersky Aug 2021 #26
Does this bill outlaw drive thru voting? Mersky Aug 2021 #27
Democrats and republicans signed off on this plan Mersky Aug 2021 #28
This bill is a great big pile of shift Mersky Aug 2021 #29
Repubs are offended, Gutierrez asks if they want to censor his comments Mersky Aug 2021 #30
A polling place must not be in a tent? Mersky Aug 2021 #31
Is a manner in which to shave votes Mersky Aug 2021 #32
We have county administrators somewhere in the debate today Mersky Aug 2021 #33
He's nostalgic for the days of local control, the better days w/his colleagues when he was respected Mersky Aug 2021 #34
Page 4 Opening and closing polls Mersky Aug 2021 #35
New language and no mention of fraud, but local control Mersky Aug 2021 #36
Tabulating machines - regarding the wireless components Mersky Aug 2021 #37
County clerks and checklists Mersky Aug 2021 #38
Lol, Gutierrez spoke only Spanish as child, watched a lot of westerns Mersky Aug 2021 #39
Page 5, line 5 Mersky Aug 2021 #40
Line 67 - temporary structure Mersky Aug 2021 #41
And yet, more language at the bottom about needing to let the Sec State know Mersky Aug 2021 #42
Page 7 - needs answers from Hughes about how this is about fraud & not making it harder on counties Mersky Aug 2021 #43
Who's going to pay for the surveillance systems needed in large counties? Mersky Aug 2021 #44
Now the county has to livestream in Bexar County - we've gotta hire Mersky Aug 2021 #45
This bill has had a lot of talking points; a lot of sound bites Mersky Aug 2021 #46
Page 7, line 27 - training manual for poll watchers from Sec of State Mersky Aug 2021 #47
Boston's more than a feeling is heard in the background Mersky Aug 2021 #48
Provide that manual in every county; printing; assembly -- costs money Mersky Aug 2021 #49
By the time you get done listening to Hughes, you're a 20 yr old used car Mersky Aug 2021 #50
Currently there's rules for poll watchers Mersky Aug 2021 #51
Gutierrez raising the specter of proud boys as watchers Mersky Aug 2021 #52
There's no language to limit peering over shoulders Mersky Aug 2021 #53
Does this language allow for a large and scary guy could lean over my shoulder Mersky Aug 2021 #54
Line 62 - it's not that I don't want poll watcher, it's that I don't want watchers Mersky Aug 2021 #55
An administrative function - tabulating votes, sending over votes Mersky Aug 2021 #56
Where's the search for fraud? But these proud boys? Mersky Aug 2021 #57
Inspectors - doesn't know where they come from Mersky Aug 2021 #58
Wish we'd been making a list of all these unfunded mandates Mersky Aug 2021 #59
Gutierrez is handing off discussion to Sen Sarah Eckhardt Mersky Aug 2021 #60
Now, Sen Eckhardt is discussing the bill with Alvarado Mersky Aug 2021 #61
Talking about needing to pay for a delivery service like UPS instead of a county drop box Mersky Aug 2021 #62
Wouldn't that in essence amount to a poll tax? TexasTowelie Aug 2021 #108
Is local government more or less transparent than state government Mersky Aug 2021 #63
Section 309; line 67 Mersky Aug 2021 #64
The Sec of State shall promulgate a form and post on its website Mersky Aug 2021 #65
The iterations in this law sets a floor, but does not allow Mersky Aug 2021 #66
Redundant codifying of what elections administrators are already doing Mersky Aug 2021 #67
So Much republican gobbledygook! George McGovern Aug 2021 #69
Why do they not allow an electronic signature? Banks don't even use ink anymore. Mersky Aug 2021 #68
A nonpartisan office cannot send out invitation to eligible Mersky Aug 2021 #70
How do you think this provision assists with individuals voting by mail? Mersky Aug 2021 #71
Shining a light on the questions around this bill Mersky Aug 2021 #72
Why am I just seeing this? Amazing!! Shell_Seas Aug 2021 #73
This IS Amazing Shell_Seas. Agreed. George McGovern Aug 2021 #76
Distribution of election application forms Mersky Aug 2021 #74
Now saying there's always a few that votes twice, but it's usually an elderly voter Mersky Aug 2021 #75
Oooo, how the identity of the voter is given by the mail in ballot Mersky Aug 2021 #77
Okay, so, Eckhardt talks really fast Mersky Aug 2021 #78
Section 4.13, line 11 Mersky Aug 2021 #79
The existing law says can review two signatures over the past year Mersky Aug 2021 #80
Are the attorney general does not have original jurisdiction to act on Mersky Aug 2021 #81
This bill is not only suppressive, but fiscally expensive. Mersky Aug 2021 #82
Eckhardt has a wealth of knowledge about the nuts and bolts Mersky Aug 2021 #83
Section 4.19 line 64-69 Eligibility of a person's to vote and identity Mersky Aug 2021 #84
A poll watcher is entitled to view any activity under this section! Mersky Aug 2021 #85
Three or more voters - providing transportation must fill out a form Mersky Aug 2021 #86
Page 15; section F Mersky Aug 2021 #87
Eligibility for assistance Mersky Aug 2021 #88
Does this go on the list of discouragement and confusion Mersky Aug 2021 #89
Common practice in campaigns made illegal in this bill Mersky Aug 2021 #90
Consanguinity sounds like something a snake does Mersky Aug 2021 #91
One of the themes of Eckhardt is the redundancy of codifying Mersky Aug 2021 #92
Yeah for Carol LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #93
6.03 - Vote Harvesting Mersky Aug 2021 #94
When I read through this section the first time Mersky Aug 2021 #95
Yes, why is it that registrars can be fined for information Mersky Aug 2021 #96
Eckhardt - Have not found anywhere in this bill where a poll watcher Mersky Aug 2021 #97
Thank you, Carol! catrose Aug 2021 #98
Section 7.03 (a) - provides opportunity for venue shopping Mersky Aug 2021 #99
Preponderance of evidence Mersky Aug 2021 #100
Alvarado is now resuming reading testimony Mersky Aug 2021 #101
Link to the Texas Tribune article: TexasTowelie Aug 2021 #102
All Eyes on Texas' Fight for Voting Rights as Senator Alvarado Enters Sixth Hour of Filibuster LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #104
I'm listening, but gotta go tend to the cats Mersky Aug 2021 #105
Sen. Powell now asking questions Mersky Aug 2021 #106
She related the story of her father Mersky Aug 2021 #107
Powell then brought up similar name affidavit Mersky Aug 2021 #109
Sen Royce West was discussing the bill Mersky Aug 2021 #110
Alvarado is reading testimony Mersky Aug 2021 #111
Now, Sen Hinajosa is asking questions Mersky Aug 2021 #112
Sen Zaffirini now asking questions Mersky Aug 2021 #113
Sen Zaffirini now asking questions Mersky Aug 2021 #114
Well, you duped again TexasTowelie Aug 2021 #116
People without disabilities do not have to fill out this form. Mersky Aug 2021 #115
2:40 a.m. and the filibuster continues. nt TexasTowelie Aug 2021 #117
Senator's filibuster over Texas voting bill passes 12th hour Mersky Aug 2021 #118
She was reading the testimony of a member of the LWV Mersky Aug 2021 #119
Section 3.03 allows for the free movement of poll watchers Mersky Aug 2021 #120
Registrars would be required to make a referral to AG for those who only attempt to register to vote Mersky Aug 2021 #121
SB 1 targets naturalized citizens by using notoriously problematic DPS data Mersky Aug 2021 #122
Good morning, Sen West Mersky Aug 2021 #123
She just referenced Sen West's Barbara Jordan Fairness Act Mersky Aug 2021 #124
Sen Whitmire now asking questions Mersky Aug 2021 #125
Would you put election matters in the top 3 matters when convened in January Mersky Aug 2021 #126
During the pandemic, Harris, Bexar, and Travis Mersky Aug 2021 #127
She's now speaking forcefully in summary over the implications of the bill Mersky Aug 2021 #128
What's wrong with offering drive thru voting during a pandemic? Mersky Aug 2021 #129
I believe she has concluded her filibustering at or about 8:57 am CT Mersky Aug 2021 #130
Hughes is now up there rather breathlessly Mersky Aug 2021 #131
Senate is adjourned until 8/16 2pm Mersky Aug 2021 #132

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
2. Currently Sen Whitmire and Sen Alvarado were discussing the bunk poll watcher provision
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:02 PM
Aug 2021

Not completely settled to post continually just yet. Tune in and add comments.

Now reading testimony from a resident of Carrollton, Tx

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
2. Currently Sen Whitmire and Sen Alvarado were discussing the bunk poll watcher provision
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:02 PM
Aug 2021

Not completely settled to post continually just yet. Tune in and add comments.

Now reading testimony from a resident of Carrollton, Tx

TexasTowelie

(112,137 posts)
103. You duped it so well that there is no post #3.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:36 AM
Aug 2021


Thank you for the thread, I was about to post a link to the Texas Tribune coverage, but since you have livestream...

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
5. Is highlighting how hard it is to find assistance during this time of nursing shortages
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:08 PM
Aug 2021

Daughter of a veteran, her read testimony speaks to the unfairness of criminalizing assistants within the bill

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
7. Texas is already one of the hardest states to vote in
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:18 PM
Aug 2021

Daughter of a Taiwanese immigrant whose mother had to wait 40 years to vote as a naturalized citizen.

Testimony to the point out that one would have to sign a form to give folks rides to the polls — those who may or may not be blood relatives, but nonetheless are as family

Does not want the limitations to prevent naturalized citizens from receiving assistance

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
10. Discussing with Sen Blanco about the poll watchers
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:22 PM
Aug 2021

Creating a confrontational atmosphere if they’re given too much authority

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
11. Whoa, Blanco mentioned a case where a voter called into a hotline
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:29 PM
Aug 2021

Saying that a poll watcher or worker* hovered around her within 3 ft! That this was at a primarily Latino polling location.

Sen Alvarado questions the quality of the language of the bill and whether poll watchers need to be amped up.

*is my confusion, not theirs

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
12. Do we know if a poll watcher is allowed to touch a ballot?
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:34 PM
Aug 2021

Alvarado - I have not been advised.

Blanco - I have not been advised, either.

And then bringing up 144 instances of poll watcher intimidation in Harris County.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
13. Heard testimony from hundreds of Texans; most of which were opposed to this bill
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:38 PM
Aug 2021

— as Sen Blanco concludes his questioning

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
14. Madame Chair, I will yield for questions if it does not remove me from the floor.
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:50 PM
Aug 2021

Sen Gutierrez now questioning about the portion of the bill regarding ballot harvesting - that he (talk drunk of beard from east Texas, Hughes) made a big deal. That of the 22 pages of the bill 3 are about that.

They’re all concerned about cheating, but at the end of the day, they’re interested in shaving votes.

This road to perdition started right after the election. TFG - the election is stolen! The election is stolen! State after state, Republican Secretaries of State have declared the elections were valid. Even in our state.

Here we are mail-in ballot, ballot harvesting, boogeymen

Our AG spent 22,000 man hours looking for fraud. Hopes republicans are listening — that they’re being bamboozled.

Wants to dissect the bill with you (Alvarado). Telling republican constituency and hope they’re listening and vast.

Lol, being interrupted, told to ‘stick to talking to the bill’ — he resumes, “let’s dissect this bill…” ( mic drop) keeps going..

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
15. Page 1 -- highlighting new language
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:53 PM
Aug 2021

Regarding exchange between registrars - two registrars - two unfunded mandates!!!! Is a section of new language


Oooo, I’ve needed this OMG

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
17. Page 2 - if the registrar determines that the voter is not eligible to vote
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:56 PM
Aug 2021

Shall deliver to the AG the relevant facts - now this is not new language, but it’s a new step…

Alvarado agrees

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
18. Wondering when we'd get to citizenship
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:59 PM
Aug 2021

Line 18, page 2

Yet another unfunded mandate regarding DPS records, ehh, hand off

Is too bad, Sen Hughes is not here to defend this

Line 29 - Sec of State shall enter into an agreement with DPS

Have a state agency which is DPS and another Sec of State needing to work together - is another unfunded mandate.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
20. How many FTE's will be imposed on agencies based upon this ruse
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:04 PM
Aug 2021

Referring to the bill analysis

Alvarado is glad he raised the point of how agencies will pay for more government, big brother government

Are you aware that Abraham Lincoln said the role of government was to do what the people cannot do for themselves… not sure why we need to do this if the only thing is offending Donald tRump.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
22. The 22,000 hours spent by the AG's office lead to nowhere
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:08 PM
Aug 2021

Their own republican appointed Sec of State said there was no fraud, and now she’s gone… adios

(Dayum, that’s all true)

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
24. Oooooo talking about eliminating the word, "complaint"
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:11 PM
Aug 2021

He’s removing the necessity of a criminal complaint for alleging voter fraud. A mere innuendo is all Hughes bill requires.

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Drives me nuts, that’s striking of complaint. Ugh.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
25. Line 33 - reminding republicans at home - not a lot of security, lots of big government
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:13 PM
Aug 2021

Clerk shall send a notice to the registrar, Secretary of State, AG, and the county attorney

On the 3rd business day of each month have to send every month — more unfunded mandate

Correct, it just keeps pulling and piling on

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
26. Wants to talk about Houston
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:14 PM
Aug 2021

Yup people of Houston than what they’re doing for their voters tonight

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
27. Does this bill outlaw drive thru voting?
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:16 PM
Aug 2021

Even then there’s no evidence of voter fraud in drive thru voting. Gutierrez calls Houston the Pittsburg of Texas — (he’s not right, but he ain’t wrong). Houston does have a lot of shift workers.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
28. Democrats and republicans signed off on this plan
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:17 PM
Aug 2021

They didn’t complain about it then.

Great big pile of shift!

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
30. Repubs are offended, Gutierrez asks if they want to censor his comments
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:19 PM
Aug 2021

He’s not been disrespectful, just highly listenable.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
31. A polling place must not be in a tent?
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:22 PM
Aug 2021

Is something that was contested, in the Toyota Center. How in Eckhardt’s district in Austin how a trailer in a HEB parking lot was effected.

Is this about preventing fraud or shaving votes?

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
33. We have county administrators somewhere in the debate today
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:24 PM
Aug 2021

How what may work in East Texas may not work in Harris County. How in a pandemic these provisions would no longer be in place.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
34. He's nostalgic for the days of local control, the better days w/his colleagues when he was respected
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:26 PM
Aug 2021

Doesn’t it seem clear that this bill, big brother or little sister, says, I’m gonna show you how to run your elections

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
36. New language and no mention of fraud, but local control
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:29 PM
Aug 2021

Is more about telling brother or little sister what to do

Is substantially more control from the state for local elections

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
37. Tabulating machines - regarding the wireless components
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:30 PM
Aug 2021

Might effect some of the smaller counties. Is an unfunded mandate in smaller counties in these uncertain times.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
38. County clerks and checklists
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:32 PM
Aug 2021

Sec of State office — promulgate a form — “I have no idea what this section is about” boxes and nitpicking

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Me too - what the heck with the form?!!!

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
39. Lol, Gutierrez spoke only Spanish as child, watched a lot of westerns
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:33 PM
Aug 2021

And then this happened — he’s a very lively, good speaker

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
40. Page 5, line 5
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:37 PM
Aug 2021

With a county of 30,000 or more… 24hrs

Questioning what happened last cycle in Bexar, and Harris County as well — referring back to all the shifffttt workers.
Not more Democrats voted; more people voted — both parties broke records. Yet, this bill chooses to disenfranchise voters.

What was one of the reasons? Not being able to get poll workers?

Alvarado - no not so much, we were in the pandemic, people laid off, wasn’t much of a problem

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
41. Line 67 - temporary structure
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:38 PM
Aug 2021

Another recitation against Harris County drive thru voting and this involves early voting.., won’t go on for the subsequent twenty lines of new laws

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
42. And yet, more language at the bottom about needing to let the Sec State know
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:40 PM
Aug 2021

Of any changes, and possibilities of more FTEs — more hiring and unfunded mandates

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
43. Page 7 - needs answers from Hughes about how this is about fraud & not making it harder on counties
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:42 PM
Aug 2021

The republican Sec of State, she is no longer there

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
44. Who's going to pay for the surveillance systems needed in large counties?
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:43 PM
Aug 2021

Another unfunded mandate — Says he’s not necessarily opposed, but the sheer amount of money is not prescribed and unknown

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
45. Now the county has to livestream in Bexar County - we've gotta hire
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:44 PM
Aug 2021

Videographers.

Ooo, Eckhardt will detail the cost of elections later.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
46. This bill has had a lot of talking points; a lot of sound bites
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:48 PM
Aug 2021

Filibusters are really more apt towards the end of session; but we don’t have that in the serving special session. The majority of filibusters (72%) have been used to do what we’re doing here today.

Complimenting Hughes as a talented litigator, but that this is not about fraud, but about shaving votes, disenfranchising voters.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
47. Page 7, line 27 - training manual for poll watchers from Sec of State
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:50 PM
Aug 2021

More FTEs; more unfunded mandate

Shall provide and “make it available” - no requirement to read it or take an exam

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
49. Provide that manual in every county; printing; assembly -- costs money
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:51 PM
Aug 2021

Gutierrez thanking Alvarado for debunking this bill

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
50. By the time you get done listening to Hughes, you're a 20 yr old used car
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:52 PM
Aug 2021

“He’s just that good”

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
51. Currently there's rules for poll watchers
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:54 PM
Aug 2021

Must people want to be outside and be a card pusher.

There may be a lot more that goes on than watchers.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
54. Does this language allow for a large and scary guy could lean over my shoulder
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:01 PM
Aug 2021

It’s not eliminated from possibilities of what could happen.

Standing behind Larry Taylor - breathing down his neck - there’s nothing to keep him from being intimidated. What if it’s a big guy, like Hulk Hogan.

If I have Hulk Hogan breathing down my neck, why is that necessary.

Going from conveniently near to free moving. Not sure what the senatorial language is, but shame on the person who would let some goon behind me, behind my 11 year old or 14 year old that comes with me to vote.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
56. An administrative function - tabulating votes, sending over votes
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:08 PM
Aug 2021

That’s okay, but no one should be breathing down my neck.

Is this bill more about vote shaving?

It’s about that, but would say it’s about suppression.

Minneola Senator says it’s not about voter intimidation, but it is, we have a whole section about intimidation

Did you hear of any obstruction of poll watchers in Harris County, in the Houston Chronicle about poll watchers not being able to see the tabulating process? Alvarado - no

We’ve got new criminal offense for taking any action against a poll watcher’s behavior.

That it’ll invite complaints, and further unfunded mandates.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
57. Where's the search for fraud? But these proud boys?
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:09 PM
Aug 2021

Could discourage people from being poll workers.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
58. Inspectors - doesn't know where they come from
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:11 PM
Aug 2021

From some agency. The relief from this section is provided under a state inspector under chapter 34.


Mersky

(4,980 posts)
59. Wish we'd been making a list of all these unfunded mandates
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:12 PM
Aug 2021

How many times is there an unidentified cost?

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
60. Gutierrez is handing off discussion to Sen Sarah Eckhardt
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:17 PM
Aug 2021

That’s my Senator!

Regarding Bexar County - cost would be between $350,000; $13 million new equipment. The surveillance cost would vary over how many elections are held each year. Additional costs from printing forms.

Alvarado calls for more estimations from other counties.

Fort Bend - $250,000-$12 million

Cameron County $250,000 and $5 million

Clear unfunded mandate from a bill that targets zero fraud

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
61. Now, Sen Eckhardt is discussing the bill with Alvarado
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:21 PM
Aug 2021

Reiterating various counties’ costs - Bexar, Cameron… Fort Bend

The machine equipment; printing costs, and surveillance combine to the given ranges.

See my comment just before this one for the amounts - is same.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
62. Talking about needing to pay for a delivery service like UPS instead of a county drop box
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:23 PM
Aug 2021

Asking what the difference is between dropping a mail in ballot in a metal box marked UPS or FedEx and one from the county.

So now, the county office will need shift workers to process those delivered ballots.

TexasTowelie

(112,137 posts)
108. Wouldn't that in essence amount to a poll tax?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:29 AM
Aug 2021

While I'm still capable of making it to my polling location, riding the bus, and wheeling myself uphill to vote, I am disabled and it would be more difficult for me to find a FedEx or UPS drop-off spot and then to pay about $8 to mail a ballot is an unreasonable expense for those living on limited budgets.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
63. Is local government more or less transparent than state government
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:27 PM
Aug 2021

And so the state will force more transparency on local governments than on the state — especially with regards to the fiscal requirements with the costs of the bill

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
64. Section 309; line 67
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:32 PM
Aug 2021

Software to track all activity on the electronic device.

Alvarado - we are combing through this looking for things we may have missed

Eckhardt - how it’s redundant, and makes it appear there’s secret shenanigans

And questioning why certain things that need to be codified — and why only in some based on size.

I don’t think any county elections supervisor would object except for why it’s not equally applied or why it needs to be codified at all.


And now mentioning the voting systems requirements and the burden it places in smaller counties. The larger counties that will meet this date and concerned whether they meet federal law.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
65. The Sec of State shall promulgate a form and post on its website
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:34 PM
Aug 2021

Is curious to me that we’re codifying common practice

George McGovern

(5,420 posts)
69. So Much republican gobbledygook!
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:42 PM
Aug 2021

It is fascinating to watch and listen to this process. Thanks so much, Mersky, for bringing this to us. I really like Sen Sarah Eckhardt!

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
68. Why do they not allow an electronic signature? Banks don't even use ink anymore.
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:38 PM
Aug 2021

Someone can use DocuSign. At 3am in the morning, someone can move large sums of money without an inked signature.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
70. A nonpartisan office cannot send out invitation to eligible
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:42 PM
Aug 2021

Voters - 65 and up. But a partisan can, even though the nonpartisan professional has a maintained list of eligible mail in voters.

So, in the past the county clerk could have sent out vote by mail applications, but didn’t because partisan campaigns preferred to do it as a campaign activity.

So, seems if anything, this law should attempt to flip that.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
71. How do you think this provision assists with individuals voting by mail?
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:46 PM
Aug 2021

( Lol, that’s was Eckhardt rephrasing of the question after a stern repub voice butted in trying to insinuate she was off topic. Not in my book, is all on tip. Have been tired of the generic characterizations thrown around in the media. Gotta get wonky to get to the nut cuttin’ lol)

George McGovern

(5,420 posts)
76. This IS Amazing Shell_Seas. Agreed.
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:54 PM
Aug 2021

Poking holes in such a terrible piece of legislation. Bringing its contents to light.

Mersky

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74. Distribution of election application forms
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:51 PM
Aug 2021

An employee of this office may not use funds to send applications to eligible voters, but a partisan candidate can.

Why is that? I don’t understand it either. Seems it should be the other way around.

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That jazz really, really bugs me.

Mersky

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75. Now saying there's always a few that votes twice, but it's usually an elderly voter
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:54 PM
Aug 2021

And it gets picked up in the canvass— there’s already a process in place, those cases go to the county attorney

Mersky

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77. Oooo, how the identity of the voter is given by the mail in ballot
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:56 PM
Aug 2021

Envelope as detailed in the bill — the voter is identified with ballot!

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Wut! Not cool!

Mersky

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78. Okay, so, Eckhardt talks really fast
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:59 PM
Aug 2021

She’s brilliant, but is going really, really fast over the lengthy new section over how the ballot can be cured —- and! there’s a roll for a poll watcher in the curing of a ballot.

Mersky

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79. Section 4.13, line 11
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:02 PM
Aug 2021

Only if the information identifies the same voter — voter matching ID.

line 38 - regarding matching the signature - sets up a rebuttal presumption of the signature which is an improvement over the original bill, thanks Hughes for that.

Mersky

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80. The existing law says can review two signatures over the past year
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:05 PM
Aug 2021

How different are signatures if you can go back to any signature from any previous year?

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Shocking - my signature is so much shorter than it used to be! Argh! And! I have a different one for signing credit cards pads. Yikes.

Mersky

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81. Are the attorney general does not have original jurisdiction to act on
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:08 PM
Aug 2021

Election, erm, matters … missed some of that, but is important.

The AG does not have original jurisdiction over something regarding voters as laid out in the Texas Constitution and case law.

Mersky

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83. Eckhardt has a wealth of knowledge about the nuts and bolts
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:13 PM
Aug 2021

Of elections law and the mechanics. Working knowledge. Valuable info from her that might have made the repubs’ bill less turd-like.

Mersky

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84. Section 4.19 line 64-69 Eligibility of a person's to vote and identity
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:15 PM
Aug 2021

A ballot being questioned for acceptability — a volunteer can retain identifying notes about that voter and ballot! Wtf?

Mersky

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85. A poll watcher is entitled to view any activity under this section!
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:18 PM
Aug 2021

Probably need to call their role something other than ‘poll watcher.’

Eckhardt - points out that there’s no penalties, fines, or criminal penalties like there are for poll workers

Mersky

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86. Three or more voters - providing transportation must fill out a form
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:22 PM
Aug 2021

Of whether they’re providing assistance only for transportation or the other assistance in the next section.

Need my name, address, etc.
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Y’all - this would be me if I live at my old apartment driving neighbors to the store or laundromat. Could have been the polls if they couldn’t walk to it. Ugh. Total overreach.

Mersky

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87. Page 15; section F
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:25 PM
Aug 2021

(Oh heck, it’s the consanguinity paragraph.)

Need to be related the voter in the second degree or within the third degree in consanguinity. Holey moley. It’s totally insane.

Mersky

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88. Eligibility for assistance
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:33 PM
Aug 2021

Would you agree that someone assisting the voter should state that they are not pressuring, getting paid/ paying to help the voter.

Now getting to the oath — I swear or affirm under penalty of perjury…

The oath confines the assistant to only stating what’s on the ballot, cannot answer questions beyond that.

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The oath is a ridiculous monstrosity. Ludicrous.

Mersky

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90. Common practice in campaigns made illegal in this bill
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:36 PM
Aug 2021

Phone banking and asking of someone needs a ride to the polls — this bill makes that illegal

Mersky

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92. One of the themes of Eckhardt is the redundancy of codifying
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:41 PM
Aug 2021

That makes regular operation seem needlessly nefarious

Mersky

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94. 6.03 - Vote Harvesting
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:09 AM
Aug 2021

If you’re in person trying to get someone to vote for Bob — that’s harvesting, but if you’re on the phone trying to get them to vote for Bob that’s fine.

Eckhardt takes issue with the definition of voter harvesting — it is so vague, so as possibly include door knockers — who do not intend to physically collect ballots or be involved with the ballot.

If they’re paid door knockers, and a mail in ballot is in the periphery somewhere, they might be in violation even if they don’t physically interact, take possession of, or involved with the filling out ballot.

If you commit an offense, it’s a third degree felony (which are typically rather heinous, awful).

Harm is defined as standing to get relief, and to have standing you must be harmed - circular, but you don’t have to show that vote harvesting occurred!

You don’t have to prove a single vote was harvested, but you could be awarded all this stuff.

Oh heck, damages can be figured not on the basis of how many votes were harvested (and not necessarily proven), but on how many people were contacted! Ugh!

Mersky

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95. When I read through this section the first time
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:15 AM
Aug 2021

The words vote harvesting seemed like a label used for talking points.

But listening now, and trying to relate their arguments, I’m seeing just how ham fisted and dangerous to regular campaigning that has nothing to do with scooping up physical ballots for delivering to a different location.

Mersky

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96. Yes, why is it that registrars can be fined for information
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:19 AM
Aug 2021

That the Secretary of State can update itself? But will charge the registrars at $1,000 per.

What is the purpose of moving the money up to the state from the county and does not get rid of the registrar that was not updating the records?

Mersky

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97. Eckhardt - Have not found anywhere in this bill where a poll watcher
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:23 AM
Aug 2021

Faces criminal or civil penalty, job loss or fines.

But a professional election worker in the clerks office or elections division does - starting positions at the clerks office is $42k.

Mersky

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99. Section 7.03 (a) - provides opportunity for venue shopping
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:27 AM
Aug 2021

Could take an election contest back to your old hometown instead of where the election was held.

Is bananas

Mersky

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100. Preponderance of evidence
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:29 AM
Aug 2021

Is the lowest threshold of evidence, and yet there’s a stipulated $1,000 damages without regard to any judge’s discretion. That it’s a real oddity.

Mersky

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101. Alvarado is now resuming reading testimony
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:32 AM
Aug 2021

Eckhardt said her thanks and how a greater public discussion was needed earlier.

Mersky

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105. I'm listening, but gotta go tend to the cats
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:49 AM
Aug 2021

I can identify with many of the testimonies the Alvarado is reading out. Names are different, but places and situations familiar, like that from Bill and Jeannie.

Mersky

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106. Sen. Powell now asking questions
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:05 AM
Aug 2021

Reviewing the ADA passed under Bush I. Emphasizing the need to listen to Texans with disabilities, and not just to satisfy the law.

Mersky

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107. She related the story of her father
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:23 AM
Aug 2021

A veteran who severely injured his hand, and lost his fingers. She described how he used a rubber band to attach a pen to his hand in order to write and sign his name. Her issues with the signature mismatch portion of the bill comes with personal understanding of the additional burden the bill would place on voters like her father.

She spoke of a young woman with a severe form of CP that causes her hand to shake.

How SB 1 violates the federal law, and how the oath did not describe or define the assistance in a manner that includes the real needs of voters with disabilities.

Mersky

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109. Powell then brought up similar name affidavit
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:31 AM
Aug 2021

How married or divorced persons — especially women — change their names. Related different name conventions, how latinas are more likely to change their names. The need to a provide similar name affidavit when voting under this bill would subject their vote to the questionable signature mismatch, ehh, methods in the bill.

Mersky

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110. Sen Royce West was discussing the bill
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:22 AM
Aug 2021

(And my cat’s received her saline treatment.)

At the start of his speaking he mentioned that the Heritage Foundation is freaked out by the concept of same day voter registration.

Missed a lot in here as I was up and about, but gosh, he has an amazing voice. I would like to know more about his disparity study amendment.

Mersky

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112. Now, Sen Hinajosa is asking questions
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:37 AM
Aug 2021

Regarding drive thru voting in Harris County

Alvarado thanks him for bringing up her county, as is a target of the bill.

He’s now emphasizing the benefits of 24 hrs for shift workers.

Mersky

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113. Sen Zaffirini now asking questions
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:02 AM
Aug 2021

She’s listing out different minority groups as to whether they supported the bill. None support it.

Mersky

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114. Sen Zaffirini now asking questions
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:03 AM
Aug 2021

She’s listing out different minority groups as to whether they supported the bill. None support it.

Mersky

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118. Senator's filibuster over Texas voting bill passes 12th hour
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:34 AM
Aug 2021

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A Texas state senator continued her filibuster Thursday morning of an elections bill in the latest tactic to extend the nation’s most visible standoff over voting rights.

Democrat Carol Alvarado began her filibuster shortly before 6 p.m. Wednesday by speaking indefinitely, although she admitted that was unlikely to stop it from passing. She must remain standing and speaking during the filibuster, which entered its 12th hour Thursday morning.

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Houston-Senator-filibuster-Texas-voting-bill-16381904.php

Mersky

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119. She was reading the testimony of a member of the LWV
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:39 AM
Aug 2021

When I awoke with a rundown battery and an earbud still in one ear.

Trying to get back to it, all the while deeply grateful to Sen. Alvarado.


Mersky

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121. Registrars would be required to make a referral to AG for those who only attempt to register to vote
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:04 AM
Aug 2021

Instead of referrals for those ineligible individuals who attempt to cast a ballot.

Mersky

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122. SB 1 targets naturalized citizens by using notoriously problematic DPS data
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:12 AM
Aug 2021

The 2019 case that LULAC brought:

But legal and advocacy groups protested the allegations, which derived primarily from crosschecks with records maintained by the state’s Department of Public Safety, which issues driver’s licenses and identification cards. Applicants have to show proof of citizenship when they apply for such documents, but don’t need to check in again if they naturalize later as U.S. citizens. Critics contend the list is almost certainly loaded with false positives, most of whom were legal permanent residents when they first started driving, but later became citizens”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lulac-sues-texas-to-stop-republican-led-voter-probe_n_5c509fb0e4b0f43e410ba8ab

Mersky

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125. Sen Whitmire now asking questions
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:24 AM
Aug 2021

Going back to 1992 - how when Alvarado was just getting started in politics running for precinct judge, then as a UH student. (Go Coogs!)

28 years ago - they agreed the process seemed fair and going back how well it worked. Asking to recall if there were any complaints.

Whitmire continues mentions the move early voting close times to 4pm and marks it as one of the first instances of voter suppression.

Now relating how many calls about county matters like loose dogs and trash, lots of complaints and calls on all manner of that. Then he asks if she’s received complaints about voter fraud or elections. She says no she had not received election complaints.

Asks when she first ever heard anything about fraudulent elections — she replied it was sometime after the 2020 election

Mersky

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126. Would you put election matters in the top 3 matters when convened in January
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:41 AM
Aug 2021

No, pandemic, grid topped concerns.

Whitmire is now calling for a round table with the proponents of the bill to discuss how the measures used in Harris County could benefit other counties.

Need to sit down, and can disagree without being disagreeable

Mersky

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127. During the pandemic, Harris, Bexar, and Travis
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:46 AM
Aug 2021

Used more mobile and flexible methods of voting to maintain safety, and they didn’t alter the law to do it.

Mersky

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128. She's now speaking forcefully in summary over the implications of the bill
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:52 AM
Aug 2021

Would like to figure out how to post the transcript. Am accustomed to federal records of such, but admittedly, less so for the state.

Mersky

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129. What's wrong with offering drive thru voting during a pandemic?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:56 AM
Aug 2021

What’s wrong with 24 hr voting? For shift workers (during a pandemic)?

Then closes with a quote from LBJ:

“The vote is the most powerful instrument ever devised by man for breaking down injustice and destroying the terrible walls which imprison men because they are different from other men.”

Mersky

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130. I believe she has concluded her filibustering at or about 8:57 am CT
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 10:02 AM
Aug 2021

Audio in the chambers dropped out completely, even as Lt Dan stands at the dais, likely making noise. It’s probably cordial, grinning crocodile sounds, but not sure.

Mersky

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131. Hughes is now up there rather breathlessly
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 10:11 AM
Aug 2021

Trying to pave over every abomination detailed overnight.

The bill passed, because GQPers have no shame or ethics.

Mersky

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132. Senate is adjourned until 8/16 2pm
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 10:23 AM
Aug 2021

Whelp, they passed it, but there are so many weaknesses legally, fiscally, and constitutionally in the bill, that it’ll go to court over and over again.

That is, unless, a certain two senators find it in their hearts and wallets to pass some basic protections at the federal level. And so, us Texans go back to life under Grabbott as our kids and young folks get sick for tRump’s glorification.

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