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albacore

(2,398 posts)
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 11:31 PM Mar 2023

Advice needed:Time to replace my natural gas furnace. Should I get a heat pump instead?

I live in Kitsap county.... 1200 sq ft, one story home.
I have gas water heater and fireplace.
Before I call a dealer, I thought I'd look for some DUers with experience and/or expertise.

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Advice needed:Time to replace my natural gas furnace. Should I get a heat pump instead? (Original Post) albacore Mar 2023 OP
yes you should WhiteTara Mar 2023 #1
It's a good option gladium et scutum Mar 2023 #2
Ask at least a dozen people in your city who have done it. keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #3
My utility company (I'm in King County) has had offers these past few months re aid fierywoman Mar 2023 #4
Yes. Watch what Biden is trying to do.. Deuxcents Mar 2023 #5
Absolutely Timewas Mar 2023 #6
I live near you RainCaster Mar 2023 #7
Yes, go ahead and get one. FuzzyRabbit Mar 2023 #8
The biggest cost for heat pumps is the installation...this YouTube clip shows a new design that is PortTack Mar 2023 #9
DIY'er installed. Love it! Tortue Mar 2023 #10
I have to say, you sound like you have mad skills. But even the 16K price to Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #11
I remember reading MOMFUDSKI Mar 2023 #12
Heat pump vs Mini-split Tortue Mar 2023 #14
My neighbors on both sides of me have them. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2023 #13

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
1. yes you should
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 11:38 PM
Mar 2023

there are rebates and tax credits for them as well. If you can find out how to work with the program, please give a shout out to all of us who want this too and can't figure it out.

gladium et scutum

(806 posts)
2. It's a good option
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 12:02 AM
Mar 2023

Heat pumps work well in moderate cimes. Washington State's weather is fairly moderate. Heat pumps should do well. For the most efficient operation, conisder an inground heat exchange heat pump

fierywoman

(7,668 posts)
4. My utility company (I'm in King County) has had offers these past few months re aid
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 12:08 AM
Mar 2023

for energy equipment -- maybe your utility company has something similar?

Deuxcents

(16,070 posts)
5. Yes. Watch what Biden is trying to do..
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 12:11 AM
Mar 2023

And if he’s successful, he’s offering tax rebates for heat pumps. My house is 1200 sq ft n I have a heat pump..we don’t call it that here but I hope I never have to live w/o one. A/c n heat from the same unit installed outside of the home. Safe n efficient

Timewas

(2,190 posts)
6. Absolutely
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 12:30 AM
Mar 2023

Have had ours in for about 7 years now and it has more than paid for itself... And if you shop around and do some research you can get one almost free.

RainCaster

(10,822 posts)
7. I live near you
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 12:40 AM
Mar 2023

3k Sq foot, 3 floors. Replaced gas furnace with heat pump last summer. We still have a propane water heater and gas fireplace. It works well, but our propane expense is bigger than we thought it would be.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
8. Yes, go ahead and get one.
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 02:04 AM
Mar 2023

I live across the sound from you.

I moved here 6 years ago and my house has one. I lived at my old place in Seattle for decades and payed $150 - 200 per month to heat in the winter with electricity. I also suffered the hot days of summer with no air conditioning. I would not live without a heat pump now.

My biggest utility bill this winter was $145, for electricity and water combined. Summer bills are about $85 for water and electricity. My heat pump doesn't cost very much to cool the house.

They are expensive, but you only live once. You might as well live comfortably year round.

PortTack

(32,691 posts)
9. The biggest cost for heat pumps is the installation...this YouTube clip shows a new design that is
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 03:00 AM
Mar 2023

Now available that doesn’t cost 10k for installation. If I had not just put in a brand new hot water boiler just a few years ago, I would be considering it.

This is just one of many being manufactured

Tortue

(32 posts)
10. DIY'er installed. Love it!
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 03:15 AM
Mar 2023

Last year I installed a 3 zone, 30k btu Mitsubishi Hyperheat model in my 1k sq/ft home in Seattle.
Ordered everything from a company called Younits out of Illinois.
Contractor and I calculated the size/needs and I installed it. If you're somewhat mechanically/electrically inclined, you can save a ton of $ from the crazy installation costs.
I removed the old oil furnace and built all new sheet metal supply/return plenums, filter box and tie-ins for a ducted mini-split unit, all by my little old self. Took about 10 days total, and I'm pretty much a one-armed guy (due to some nerve damage).
I'm now paying about 1/4 of the cost of previous oil heat, and I also have awesome A/C!
The controls are local and also automated through a Home Assistant/rPi server.
Mechanical/Electrical permitting was straight forward and not too expensive.
I took an online EPA rule 608 course so that I can buy/handle refrigerants legally.
I saved approximately 50% of the quoted costs and also now have a full set of tools for future maintenance.
I'm 64 with a mechanical and electrical work history.
Total cost including contractor's fee, permits, HVAC tools and supplies - $7.5k.
My neighbor just spent $16k for essentially the same system, installed by three guys in one 8 hour day.
$9k for a one day installation!!







Scrivener7

(50,904 posts)
11. I have to say, you sound like you have mad skills. But even the 16K price to
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 09:57 AM
Mar 2023

cut your bills down to a quarter for those "all thumbs" people among us would pay for itself within a few years.

These things sound miraculous.

I'm in a co-op apartment building. Looking forward to when they design systems appropriate for us.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,420 posts)
12. I remember reading
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 01:13 PM
Mar 2023

some years back that a heat pump was most efficient in the mid-latitudes of the U.S. I am in Florida so we have a normal A/C unit and a heat strip for the times we need heat in the winter. Many neighbors here have the standard heat pump and they RUN and RUN trying to capture heat in winter. In Milwaukee we had a standard gas, forced-air system. You may be able to talk to your local Electric Company for info on efficiency of the 2 options. Wishing you well on your final choice.

Tortue

(32 posts)
14. Heat pump vs Mini-split
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 04:00 AM
Mar 2023

Spent a few weeks in Wengen, Switzerland a few years ago. Mitsubishi's and Fujitsu's were very popular for heating... in the Alps.
Mitsubishi Hyperheat models are 100% efficient down to 0 degrees F.
75% at -15 degrees. Plenty of headroom for my sometimes cold and increasingly hotter climate in Seattle.
Inverter based compressor driven by an algorithm that "learns" the most efficient method of heating/cooling your space.
Plenty of info online...
This isn't the old noisy heat-pump technology from the '80's.
Good luck!



Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,711 posts)
13. My neighbors on both sides of me have them.
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 06:20 PM
Mar 2023

Their house is about the same size as yours.

I may get one too but I have other projects I want done first.

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