Wisconsin swing voters tire of Trump--but are not hip on Dems either.....

[riversedge]

Mar 18


Wisconsin swing voters tire of Trump

https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-wisconsin-swing-voters-4fba07f1-8455-48d2-8a4f-d457d9bcf524.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic


Illustration: Lazaro Gamio/Axios

APPLETON, Wis. — Voters who supported Barack Obama in 2012 and then Donald Trump in 2016 are sick of Trump, saying in a focus group here that they're getting tired of his "lies" and the way he treats people.

Why it matters: Trump barely won Wisconsin, where he got roughly 22,000 more votes than Hillary Clinton, and these swing voters were decisive. If he's losing them, it will be harder to win the state again with just his base supporters.

This was the biggest takeaway from the focus group of swing voters I watched last week, conducted by the research firms Engagious and Focus Pointe Global.


The group included eight Obama/Trump voters and four Mitt Romney/Hillary Clinton voters.

Be smart: Their unhappiness with Trump reveals a larger re-election problem for him: touting a strong economy and low unemployment numbers isn't cutting it anymore. It's not necessarily his politics that will be his downfall with these Obama/Trump and Romney/Clinton voters; it's his personality.

What they're saying: "I think he’s a dirty crook that lies, cheats, and steals when he can," said George Engelmann, a 49-year-old Obama/Trump voter. "There’s just a plethora of things that are still coming out."

Although Engelmann said there's nothing Trump has done politically that he disagrees with, "I will definitely take a chance [on a Democrat]" in 2020. "I don't think I'll vote for Trump again. I don't think he'll make it."

[rzemanfl]

1. Appleton was the home of Joe McCarthy and Greta Van Susteren. It was a

sundown town that opposed fluoridation of water, wrecking the teeth of its children. Consider that.

[murielm99]

4. Also the home of Edna Ferber

and Harry Houdini.

It is not a totally benighted city. My daughter went to undergrad school there, at Lawrence. It is an excellent school.

[rzemanfl]

5. Are there statues of either of them outside the courthouse?

Like was done for "tail gunner Joe?" Lawrence is a good, pricey school.

[murielm99]

6. People are always quick to point out the cost of Lawrence.

My kid went there on a trustees scholarship.

I am aware of the tail gunner Joe crap. When we visited, the town and the school downplayed it. They are not proud of him.

[rzemanfl]

7. Good for your kid. I have two grandsons in college now.

It's a good thing their Dad is a cardiologist. I went to a state school, lived with my parents, paid everything myself and graduated with no loans and money in the bank thanks to a part-time union job. Different times.

Greta used to have a place on the ritzy end of Clearwater Beach a few miles from where I live. Don't know if she still does.

[LenaBaby61]

2. What's baffeling ....

Is that the economy is NOT doing that well for what's left of the middle-class.

We have monstrous trillion dollar deficit that's growing at an alarming rate out of control. Where are those coal jobs in West Virginia? Where's the help for opioid-addicted people? The farmers in the mid-west are taking it on the chin: some losing family farms, soy bean contracts, wheat and other food-related contracts. We're on the fritz with Canada, Mexico and a whole host of other countries we used to do business with, and let's not forget the tariff 'deal' he made which was no deal at all. Did I mention that we have NO infrastructure deal he promised? Bridges and roads in this country are in deplorable shape, but there had to be tax cuts permanently given to corporations, businesses and the uber-rich.

Wait again, did I mention that he wants US Taxpayers to pay for his unnecessary border wall too that he swore to GOD that Mexico was going to be paying for?

We have a pear-shaped economy:

[Wellstone ruled]

3. Appleton is messed up.

Three Paper Plants have closed in the last year. One mega Print Shop left town for Mexico. So this interviewed person is a outlier. How many damn people need to lose their friggin jobs before that idiot wakes up. BTW,Brick and Mortar Stores closing right and left.

So Axios does a standup Interview,hmm,let me see,no I won't talk to that one cause he or she will say something that my Producer won't like.