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Thu Oct 29, 2020, 08:10 AM

Corbyn suspended and has had the whip removed

Further to JC's statement today that the EHRC report on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party has been greatly exaggerated, Starmer is not playing, the Corbynistas are going to lose their minds...

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Reply Corbyn suspended and has had the whip removed (Original post)
Soph0571 Oct 2020 OP
Mike 03 Oct 2020 #1
T_i_B Oct 2020 #2
JonLP24 Oct 2020 #3
T_i_B Oct 2020 #5
Cosmo Blues Oct 2020 #4
Denzil_DC Oct 2020 #6
LeftishBrit Oct 2020 #7

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 08:21 AM

1. Here's a short article from Bloomberg on this development:

U.K. Labour Suspends Ex-Leader Corbyn After Anti-Semitism Probe

The U.K.’s opposition Labour Party suspended its former leader Jeremy Corbyn after he failed to accept in full the findings of a report into anti-Semitism within the party.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission said Thursday that Labour breached the Equality Act through its handling of complaints of anti-Jewish prejudice while Corbyn was leader.

“In light of his comments made today and his failure to retract them subsequently, the Labour Party has suspended Jeremy Corbyn pending investigation,” a Labour spokesperson said. “He has also had the whip removed from the Parliamentary Labour Party.”


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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 08:36 AM

2. The one thing we didn't need when confronted with the worst government since the 1820's...

...was the worst opposition leader ever. His handling of anti-Semitism issues was at best very poor throughout his time as leader and I can't say I blame Starmer for taking this action given Corbyn's refusal to accept any responsibility for the torrent of anti-Semitism issues throughout his time as Labour leader that only served to discredit Labour as a voice against bigotry.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:39 AM

3. I seen more bigotry from those that support Boris Johnson

They act like US racist right wingers. There was also the Hindu nationalists supporting Boris Johnson.

I don't live in the UK. I follow a lot of Labour supporters in the UK.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 11:18 AM

5. As bad as the Tories are

You cannot beat them with whataboutery. The general election last year proved that.

You don't win the argument by being as bad as your opponent. You win it by being better. Corbyn failed on this point. He just wasn't seen as being credible. Against an appallingly bad government to boot.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:50 AM

4. When I see Antisemitism

I point out they're just a group of people like any other, you want to put down people specifically, Netanyahu should be ousted and put in prison for crimes against humanity and whatever corruption he's participated in. During prime minister's questions Corbyn would always say the right words when accused of anti-Semitism in the party, not quite as fervently as I expected but I didn't know anything deeper was up, I just thought he was a horrible campaigner, and they really should have picked someone else

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:03 PM

6. Baroness Warsi has had a lot to say about her treatment by the Tory party and the media

when she's tried to get the Tories to address Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination within its ranks.

Sayeeda Warsi

“Politicians on all sides have a responsibility to set standards ..& to lead the way in challenging racism in all its forms”
The @EHRC has rightly shown leadership on the issue of @UKLabour antisemitism - it must be as committed and brave in tackling @Conservatives Islamophobia


“Our recommendations provide a foundation for leaders to make sure that they adhere to equality law and demonstrate their commitment to diversity and inclusion through their words and actions.”

@EHRCChair on our Labour Party investigation.

Read more: http://orlo.uk/uTQsX

Sayeeda Warsi on Tory Islamophobia: 'It feels like I'm in an abusive relationship'

Half of Conservative party members believe Islam is threat, poll finds

Pointing this out is NOT "whataboutery". Labelling it as such means that any discussion of widespread discrimination is shut down. That helps nobody.

JonLP24 above points to other aspects of systemic party racism. Doing so is not "whataboutery" either.

For some reason, these wider issues have never gained the media traction that the ongoing controversy over Labour antiSemitism has.

The Tories are by no means free of antiSemitism.

Antisemitism and the Conservative Party

The Conservative Party anti-Semitism crisis nobody talks about

John Bercow says he was subject to antisemitic abuse from Conservatives

Tories investigate three candidates over alleged antisemitism

I could supply more links, but what the hell. They're just "whataboutery" too, yeah?

Nobody in their right mind could accuse me of being a Corbynite, and I'd be among the first to say that Corbyn didn't deal with the situation while he was leader as well as one would hope a party leader would.

Starmer is no better in my eyes, in his own way. In fact, my initial neutral impression of him is dwindling into the sense that he's just yet another stuffed shirt blowing in the wind.

Among the allegations for which Corbyn's been condemned is that he was guilty of "inappropriate involvement" to speed up the suspension of Ken Livingstone from the Labour Party for allegations of antiSemitism (my inference being that this was probably an attempt to overcome the sabotage of wilful inertia I go into a bit more detail about below). This is from the EHRC report:

I hope Starmer has followed due procedures in his suspension of Corbyn, and not sought to speed up the process though "inappropriate involvement".

Quite a while after the Livingstone suspension and a lost general election, it emerged that elements within the Labour leadership had been trying to prolong the antiSemitism controversy for their own ends, just as some (overlapping, if not the same) elements sought to sabotage any prospects of a Labour general election win under Corbyn. I've drawn my own conclusions on the evidence available so far, others can draw their own.

This is also from the EHRC report:

I wonder who was Labour leader while these improvements happened?

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:11 PM

7. Not sorry to hear that...

he messed things up quite badly.

(Yes, the Tories are much worse on not only Islamophobia, but a wide variety of forms of racism, but you expect that of Tories.)

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