We've been applying a model based on evidence, cause and effect.

[plimsoll]

We've scoffed at the denigration of the reality based community, but Carl Rove was correct. That's not the way a huge slice of the American populace works or think anymore. They didn't think the FBI would find them because in their universe the election was stolen, there was massive fraud and once they broke into the Capitol and "Stopped the steal(TM)" the FBI would be rounding us up.

Their worldview is consistent and closed, how long you can go denying facts is a good question. The moment is pretty scary because the ones who are getting dragged in are saying "we were mislead, etc." I think the judges are correct in denying bail. It is harsh, but as long as they can "get away with it" the more their worldview is reinforced. Simultaneously, members of a pluralistic democracy look at that and say, "but we're suppressing their rights." That may be true, but their rhetoric has consistently said they'll do more than suppress our rights if allowed to.

We say this is a cult, and it's true, but when a cult has this many members and is this keen on using violence to get their own way, society has to decide if it wants to protect itself or allow the cult to replace it. Rightwing rhetoric is so happy to talk about sharia law replacing our laws, but as with many of their bugbears it's a projection of what they'd do if they could.

[leighbythesea2]

1. Right here

"Simultaneously, members of a pluralistic democracy look at that and say, "but we're suppressing their rights." That may be true, but their rhetoric has consistently said they'll do more than suppress our rights if allowed to".

Its evident they would do more than suppress....

[orangecrush]

2. K&R