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Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:57 AM

Just for us!

Trumpism and Clintonism Are the Future

Source: New York Times, by Michael Lind

Those who see the nationalist populism of Mr. Trump as an aberration in a party that will soon return to free-market, limited government orthodoxy are mistaken. So are those who believe that the appeal of Senator Bernie Sanders to the young represents a repudiation of the center-left synthesis shared by Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. In one form or another, Trumpism and Clintonism will define conservatism and progressivism in America.


But on the social and racial issues that are important to today’s Democratic base, it is Mr. Sanders, not Mrs. Clinton, who has had to modify his message. At the beginning of his campaign, Mr. Sanders the democratic socialist focused in the manner of a single issue candidate almost exclusively on themes of class, inequality and political corruption. But because he is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, he has had to put greater emphasis on other issues, including racial disparity in policing and sentencing and the environment and immigration.


The centrality of identity politics, rather than progressive economics, to the contemporary Democratic Party is nothing new. In 1982, the Democratic National Committee recognized seven official caucuses: women, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, gays, liberals and business/professionals. Thirty-four years later, this is the base of the Democratic Party of Hillary Clinton. The pro-Sanders left objects to the solicitude of the Democratic Party for Wall Street and Silicon Valley, the sources of much of its funding. But it is safe to assume that most progressives, when confronted with conservative candidates, will prefer incremental, finance-friendly Clintonism over the right-wing alternative. Moreover, the ability or even willingness of Mr. Sanders to help down-ballot or state candidates is doubtful. The next generation of Democrats are figures like Julian and Joaquin Castro and Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, who are much more in the mold of the Clintons and Mr. Obama than of the maverick outsider Bernie Sanders.

Most important of all, it would be a serious mistake to assume that the growing sympathy of many of today’s millennials for the concept of democratic socialism as embodied by Mr. Sanders will translate into a social democratic America in the 2030s or 2050s. Half a century ago, as the Age of Aquarius gave way to the Age of Reagan, many of the hippies of the ’60s became, in effect, the yuppies of the ’80s — still socially liberal, but with new concerns about government spending, now that they were paying taxes and mortgages.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trumpism-and-clintonism-are-the-future/ar-BBrQccp?OCID=HPDHP


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Reply Just for us! (Original post)
yallerdawg Apr 2016 OP
Cha Apr 2016 #1
yallerdawg Apr 2016 #2
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #3
yallerdawg Apr 2016 #5
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #6
yallerdawg Apr 2016 #8
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #9
ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #4
forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #7
ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #10
yallerdawg Apr 2016 #11
misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #14
sheshe2 Apr 2016 #12
yallerdawg Apr 2016 #13
sheshe2 Apr 2016 #15

Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:09 AM

1. Mahalo, yallerdawg~

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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:20 AM

2. Hey, Cha!

From hippies to yuppies. Remember that?

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:39 AM

3. "mistake to assume..concept of dem. socialism..will translate into social democracy in 2030s/2050s."

 

Well, there goes your "political revolution", Bernardo.

"...it is Mr. Sanders, not Mrs. Clinton, who has had to modify his message. At the beginning of his campaign, Mr. Sanders the democratic socialist focused in the manner of a single issue candidate almost exclusively on themes of class, inequality and political corruption."


"The next generation of Democrats are figures like Julian and Joaquin Castro and Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, who are much more in the mold of the Clintons and Mr. Obama than of the maverick outsider Bernie Sanders.""


The Democratic Party, which he has so recently decided to join in order pursue his own ambitions, is a much bigger tent than his doctrinaire "democratic" socialist ideology would admit.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:45 AM

5. I'm definitely not ready for this:

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:49 AM

6. I lived through that historical drubbing. Still smarting from the ignominy.

 

I did NOT vote for McGovern in the primary.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:05 PM

8. I was just a hair younger.

Watching the Watergate hearings on TV did make me a lifelong yellowdog Democrat, though!

Those memories keeps it real simple.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:12 PM

9. Pretty much black and white, day and night, good and evil...

 

Anyone who could claim that the two parties are opposite sides of the same coin needs their head examined.

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:40 AM

4. K&R

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:01 PM

7. I disagree with the premise regarding Clintonism

 

What is more likely is that we'll see an intersectional synthesis: candidates that tie together social justice and economic justice into a coherent package and set of policies. Today's Millenials are not going to suddenly turn into conservatives in 20 years because:

1: because the Millenials and post-Millenials are blacker and browner than every other generation that has preceded them, and the coming generations will be blacker and browner still, and black and brown people, despite the protestations of the BernieBros calling us the "Confederacy", are more left, not less, than the average.

2: Because the hippies were never that big a group. Even the young people on average in the 60s were much closer to their parents socially and culturally than to the hippies. In particular, young working class whites never really got on board, it was more of a middle class thing.

What we'll likely see is more candidates talking about the specific issues minorities and other marginalized groups suffer from, and how those issues intersect with economic issues.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:23 PM

10. I like this

The article, although good, wasn't in-depth, more broad ranging in its conclusions. Your points about the up-coming generations being "blacker and browner" is well put.

It's my belief the part of what we are seeing, part of the reason for the extreme contentiousness of the current Democratic primary, is that we are seeing the beginning of the end of white male rule. As has been proven, AA's and Latino's are a powerful voting bloc who want more than being used for political gain. They want solution for the dangers years of oppression has caused. Women, as well, band together to affect policy in very effective ways.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:31 PM

11. Today's "Clintonism" is where you want to go!

"...The Clintonian synthesis of pro-business, finance-friendly economics with social and racial liberalism no longer needs to be diluted, as it was in the 1990s, by opportunistic appeals to working-class white voters.

This realignment within the Democratic Party requires Hillary Clinton to distance herself from many of the policies of her husband’s administration and to adopt policies favored by her party’s core constituencies. On issues from criminal justice to immigration enforcement, that is precisely what she has done..."

After three Republican presidential terms in a row, Bill Clinton found a "third way" alignment that broadened the appeal of the Democratic Party.

Today, we have the synthesis you are describing. It is today's Democratic Party, and our candidate Hillary!!

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:55 PM

14. Those are issues Clinton has proclaimed throughout her career.

Her campaign has reiterated socioeconomic issues & solutions.
If you don't know the depth & detail to which she has addressed, then your're not bothering to listen to her.

Sanders has popular criticisms but stops at the point of thought out policy to change those criticisms into a functioning society.
He has no follow through beyond the stump speech.
Foreign policy is nonexistant.

Hillary, on the other hand will serve all those under her inclusive big tent, and has laid out policy changes to create the functioning American society Sanders only dreams of.

She also has given all she can to assisting her Party in electing Dems to the Senate & House, all necessary to help break the RW gridlick & allow Her sensible policies to become law.
This is how you defeat the RW Party of billionaires & theology.
Nothing changes in society nor economics until the Koch funded RW KKKristian TeaParty are reduced to a minority.

Bernie should be focusing his ire on the RW Koch purchased TeaParty.
Wht hasn't he?
Why hasn't he so much as touched on the real Party behind the gridlock in our society?
When the Money House in DC is stacked against socioeconomic equality, with RW Teapartists, then why has Sanders been so silent in ending their majority?

Helps to listen to what Hillary plans on doing to make the change in DC, so that a better socioeconomic status of all Americans can take place.

Bernie Sanders criticises.
Hillary has a path to actually making the necessary changes.
THIS IS THE HILLARY GROUP btw.

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:50 PM

12. KnR

Thanks yallerdawg.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:53 PM

13. You're up early...or is it late?

Still sharpening that stake!

Hoping New York will be the hammer!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:29 PM

15. It is midday.

I walked to town to watch the marathon. Two of the runners lost limbs three years ago during the Marathon Bombing, yet today they are on their feet and running. It is an emotional day here.

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/04/17/marathon-bombing-victims-back-on-course/

Luv ya yallerdawg. NY, we will do this!

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