Since when is Hillary required to reach 2382 pledged delegates?

[TMontoya]

Where is this idea coming from that one must reach 2383 before the end of the primaries? She will most certainly have the required super delegates anyway so I just don't understand the logic?

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. Super delegates count the same as a pledged delegate.

And they will vote on the first ballot.

[kjones]

2. Since Bernie found out delegates matter. nt

[BlueMTexpat]

3. There are always different standards

for Hillary. And there always have been. Period.

And no, it's not required that the 2383 include only "pledged" delegates. That is the total # required and can include both pledged and SDs. Obviously, if a candidate reaches that # in pledged delegates only, the SDs will also support that candidate. But there is no requirement for that to be the case and it certainly was not a requirement in 2008. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Process

[TMontoya]

4. They make it seem like you do

To even think SDs will switch to Bernie is lunacy. Even if she is short by a hundred or so it won't matter because the SDs will put her over easily.

[BlueMTexpat]

5. They are getting desperate and flailing

out at anything and anyone. Just because "they" say something doesn't make it so.

I can understand Bernie's being confused because he never has played by Democratic Party rules before. He's never had to follow rules as an Independent. Lone wolf status is what he is best at and which makes him highly improbable as an effective President. Jeff Weaver's previous political experience has been only with Bernie, not with the Democratic Party, so one can understand why he also finds the process frustrating and thus makes grandiose and inaccurate statements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Weaver_(politician)

I have much less sympathy for Tad Devine, who helped to create the SD system in the Dem Party and has been disingenuous at best about them, their role and his own role in their creation.

[brer cat]

13. +1 nt

[Fla Dem]

20. The media has been pushing the horse race between BS and HRC because it makes for a better story.

So when comparing BS's delegate total to HRC's they're only including the pledged delegates won in an election or caucus.

Currently HRC has 1446 and BS has 1200 not counting Super Delegates.
HRC is short of the 2383 target by 937, BS is short by 1183.

If you include the Super Delegates:
HRC currently has 502 Super Delegates.
When added to her Pledged Delegates(1446) she has a total of 1948 delegates.
She only needs 435 Delegates to reach 2383 to clinch the nomination or just 26% of the remaining delegates.

She'll have her delegates, no worries.

[SunSeeker]

6. Since never. Obama used super delegates to reach the nomination number.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html


The Sanders campaign is trying to move the goalposts, but they are not movable. The rules are the rules.

[Stand and Fight]

7. She's not. They're just pathetically desperate at this point.

[Stand and Fight]

8. One more thing...

They have this crazy delusion that between the last primary vote in DC on June 14 and the convention in mid-July, that they can get superdelegates to flip.

[Stand and Fight]

9. And one more thing... The number of pledged delegates is 4,051.

The goal is to have a majority of pledged delegates, which is 2,026 (half of 4,051 which is 2,025.5 rounded up) by the time of the convention. Hillary will likely have MORE than that, but without the supers she won't have the 2,383 until the first ballot. That's why candidates are known as the "presumptive" nominee, because unless something radical happens, they've cinched the nomination. After Tuesday -- and definitely by the time of the convention -- Hillary will have the delegates and she WILL BE the Democratic Party's nominee.

[Her Sister]

17. 2026-1444 = 582

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She has 1444 pledged right now! So she'll need 582 more pledged delegates to reach 2,026 which is half and a majority.

After that she'll need 2,383 - 2,026 = 357 ! Which could be pledged or Super- Delegates.


BS has 1,205 Pledged Delegates. Difference is 239 b/w HRC and BS.

She has 479 Super Delegates at this moment. BS has 40 Super Delegates. There are 715 Super Delegates in Total.

There are 1,400 Pledged Delegates in the coming primary elections to be assigned. She only needs 582 or 42% of those to reach majority. He needs 821 or 58% (239+582 = 821). She is going to reach majority before BS! GAME OVER!

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2016USDem

[still_one]

10. which every candidate has the most pledged delegates, that is who the Super Delegates will support

and the way it should be

The super delegates reduce the need for a contested convention

The hypothetical game that the Sanders campaign is playing, by saying they will steal the SD won't happen

If the super delegates did support the candidate who DIDN'T get the most pledged delegates, that would be literally stealing the election from the candidate who got the most pledged delegates.

[Lil Missy]

11. She doesn't. They just like to make shit up. n/t

[KewlKat]

12. Very informative post

thank you everyone! such a brilliant group............

[Thinkingabout]

14. When their campaign leaders needed to raise the bar to protect Sanders

If they "changed" the rules then Hillary has to have more pledged delegates to meet the required. Besides it to s still an opportunity to have a revolution. This is why I want to see vigorous primaries all the way, to bypass the pledged delegate count.

[Nonhlanhla]

15. One rule for men, another rule for women

Simple as that.

[Stuckinthebush]

16. Here's the thing...

It never has been an issue before. Real Democrats understand that you have to get a combination of delegates voted on by state democrats who agree to vote for a candidate (pledged), and party leaders from each state (supers).

When they call the roll at the convention, then the TOTAL votes for each candidate will be recorded - pledged and super.

The Sanders BS about only pledged matters shows an ignorance of the party system.

The real Democrat will wipe the floor with the BS.

[stopbush]

18. That would be 59% of the pledged delegates.

It's called Bernie Math.

See, if Hillary gets 58% of the pledged delegates while Sanders gets 42%, he wins the nomination.

[George II]

19. Desperation on the part of the Sanders campaign, refusing to face reality and admit...

...that they're chasing a lost cause.

First they said that the superdelegates MUST vote "the will of the people" otherwise it would be undemocratic.

Then when they realized that Clinton will have a majority of the pledged delegates (i.e., "the will of the people&quot , they now say but, but....the superdelegates haven't voted yet, and they might vote for Sanders.

So instantly the 2026 majority of pledged delegates becomes the 2383 majority of all delegates, and 700+ won't vote until the convention.

As I said, desperation and refusal to admit to reality or admit defeat.

[sweetloukillbot]

21. Since math

Hillary needs 2383, but Bernie only needs 2026. #Berniemath