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Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:17 PM

 

This deserves to be seen, not hidden

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It's everything we've heard about him, nothing he disputes so what's the objection? Having it collected in one place, on one reel?



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Note to Jury: this video is an example of what the Republicans would say about Senator Sanders if he were to win the Nomination. Nothing more, nothing less.

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HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 OP
Her Sister Apr 2016 #1
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #2
Her Sister Apr 2016 #3
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #4
Koinos Apr 2016 #22
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #23
Her Sister Apr 2016 #27
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #33
savalez Apr 2016 #5
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #6
jehop61 Apr 2016 #36
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #37
Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #41
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #43
Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #44
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #50
spooky3 Apr 2016 #62
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #65
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #39
DisenfranchisedAgain Apr 2016 #98
Her Sister Apr 2016 #99
fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #109
redstatebluegirl Apr 2016 #7
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #10
brush Apr 2016 #45
Post removed Apr 2016 #8
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #11
Her Sister Apr 2016 #12
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #13
BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #18
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #19
Fla Dem Apr 2016 #42
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #14
Cha Apr 2016 #110
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #38
Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #48
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #57
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #59
all american girl Apr 2016 #9
LisaM Apr 2016 #15
liberal N proud Apr 2016 #16
liberal N proud Apr 2016 #17
brush Apr 2016 #53
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #20
Koinos Apr 2016 #28
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #30
treestar Apr 2016 #96
Koinos Apr 2016 #21
SaschaHM Apr 2016 #24
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #26
SaschaHM Apr 2016 #31
rock Apr 2016 #25
fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #29
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #34
fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #61
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #64
fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #69
mainstreetonce Apr 2016 #32
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #35
Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #40
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #46
Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #49
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #52
Koinos Apr 2016 #58
brush Apr 2016 #56
Walk away Apr 2016 #47
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #55
Koinos Apr 2016 #51
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #54
Koinos Apr 2016 #66
KittyWampus Apr 2016 #70
Koinos Apr 2016 #73
fun n serious Apr 2016 #85
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #60
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #63
Koinos Apr 2016 #67
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Koinos Apr 2016 #71
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Koinos Apr 2016 #74
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #82
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HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #78
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Her Sister Apr 2016 #83
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Her Sister Apr 2016 #88
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Her Sister Apr 2016 #92
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #90
fun n serious Apr 2016 #81
geek tragedy Apr 2016 #84
Pilosopo78 Apr 2016 #76
FSogol Apr 2016 #103
Pilosopo78 Apr 2016 #108
BooScout Apr 2016 #111
fun n serious Apr 2016 #77
kracer20 Apr 2016 #79
Her Sister Apr 2016 #86
Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #91
savalez Apr 2016 #94
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #95
savalez Apr 2016 #97
Her Sister Apr 2016 #100
PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #104
Her Sister Apr 2016 #106
PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #107
PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #105
dlwickham Apr 2016 #101
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Response to Her Sister (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:18 PM

2. Maybe we'll get lucky with the next jury

 

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:20 PM

3. I made an OP Post about the Hide myself!

 

We were thinking along the same lines...

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:21 PM

4. Just saw yours....

 



There's nothing untrue in the clip.


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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:59 PM

22. If it gets hidden again, the moderators need to be alerted.

The truth is what it is.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:00 PM

23. Trouble is...

 

It's an inconvenient truth

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Response to Koinos (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:03 PM

27. My Response post on the hidden OP post hidden now!

 


On Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:03 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Interesting!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=111139

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Red baiting at its worst. For that matter the first thing that caught my attention was the Chuy Garcia bit. The only person who has ever accusued Chuy of having communist ties was some far rightwing nut job whom he defeated for office in Mexico before moving to the US. This is no better than those rightwing videos "proving" that Hillary killed Vince Foster and should be just as deletable.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:49 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm a Clinton supporter, and this video is red-baiting without doubt. Lots of it is true, but it is presented in the worst light, and tenuous six degrees of separation presented as solid bonds, just like the SBS supporters do to Hillary. As an example of what the GOP will do if Sanders get the nomination, it is spot on. However, it is not presented as an example of what the GOP will do, but as if it has merit in itself. As such, I won't sink to SBS supporters' levels, and vote to hide. KitS
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Already hidden once: Take the Hint!
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's Bernie's own words and his own actions. Since when should the Truth be hidden.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
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Am the first reply here? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107111138

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:08 PM

33. Well I expect it to be hidden momentarily nt

 

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:21 PM

5. You're smart for

re-embedding it in the first reply. It's still seen no matter the hide.

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Response to savalez (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:23 PM

6. Oh that's clever

 

Hadn't noticed that... Good thinking HS



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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:18 PM

36. Just alerted

we don't need this type of dung here

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:21 PM

37. So you don't feel a discussion on just what the not yet vetted candidate

 

Would be up against?

A curious position to take, but it's a free country

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:27 PM

41. We do NOT need to spread RWNJ bullshit at DU.

 

I don't like it when the Bernie supporters do it, and I damn sure don't like it when my camp does it, either.

Fuck Trevor Loudon and ANYONE who would carry water for him.

PS the movie this clip is from is a HUGE anti-Obama piece that paints Obama as a Marxist.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:29 PM

43. Are we spreading it or presenting just what he would be up against as the nominee?

 

There's a tactical difference

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #43)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:31 PM

44. You're totally spreading it.

 

It's been posted here quite a few times today. It's disgusting.

We are supposed to be better than this. Red-baiting RWNJ bullshit at it's finest. Doesn't belong on DU.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #44)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:35 PM

50. Disgusting seems a bit hyperbolic

 

It's an illustration of down and dirty politics of the right wing.

But we disagree. I get that.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:06 PM

62. Is it bullshit, or truth?

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #62)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:11 PM

65. It's clips of truths with jumpy conclusions drawn

 

And that's how a candidate gets swift boated.

That's why he's clearly the weaker candidate.

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:23 PM

39. And it was just alerted

 

By a Clinton supporter

Curious tactic but so it goes.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107111178#post36

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:40 PM

98. Videos are great!

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Response to DisenfranchisedAgain (Reply #98)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:09 PM

99. You are a newby and I think in wrong group!

 

This is HRC GROUP! PLZ FIND THE BS GROUP!! OR GDP!



HRC GROUP READY!!!

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Response to DisenfranchisedAgain (Reply #98)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:58 AM

109. Hammer Time!

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:25 PM

7. This is what the ads would have looked like if he were the nominee. No wonder the Republicans want

him as the nominee...

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:31 PM

10. Exactly...

 

Only they'll add in pix of sheep with horns and cities burning down...

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:33 PM

45. Many of us have been saying that all along

Hillary has withstood repug bashing for 25 years and is still standing tall.

They haven't even started on Sanders, but this video is where they would start if he were the nominee.

We don't have to worry about that anymore. Wonder if most of the Sanders fans have any idea of what was in store for him/them if the got the nomination?

We would have been landslided in the general election after they got finished with him. It would red, red, red in the White House, Senate, SCOTUS, state houses and all the rest.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

11. It was posted by Her Sister

 

And hidden by jury. I expect a jury's convening as we type

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:34 PM

12. By fun n serious!

 

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:36 PM

13. Oops, yes of course...

 

Typing faster than I'm thinking.

Apologies Fun n Serious, and thanks for getting it out there

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:44 PM

18. Bftsplk#@**&!

You can imagine my reaction to hearing about your hide. Alert-stalking still lives.

If this is how True Believers react now, they would be frothing at the mouths every day until the GE because the GOP would put this - and more - up front and center. Every. Single. Day. 24/7



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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:47 PM

19. This is precisely the vetting we've been discussing

 

That has not been done with Senator Sanders.

Republicans were lying in wait should he get the nom.

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:29 PM

42. And as I replied in the 4th comment.....

Fla Dem (5,208 posts) Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:47 PM

4. Certainly raises questions. Something like this would definitely torpedo any General Election run.

Don't know how much of this is propaganda or truth, but this is just a sample of what the Republicans would throw at him and frankly they could care less care if it's the truth or not.


Don't know how this is any different than the videos the BS Bros have posted accusing HRC of everything under the sun. But God forbid anything negative is posted about "He who walks on water".

Republicans and the RW smear machine will have a field day if BS is the nominee (which thankfully he won't be).

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:39 PM

14. Yes, I saw that egregiously unfair hide of fun n' serious' OP.

 

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:10 AM

110. I'm sorry you got you post hidden, SG..

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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:21 PM

38. Curiously enough it was just alerted on by a Clinton supporter

 

Go figure

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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:34 PM

48. Trevor Loudon. Enemies Within.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Loudon

Maybe you should see what the whole movie is. It's an anti-Obama piece. There's a small Bernie segment, but it's all used to paint Obama as a radical Muslim/Communist. And you're carrying water for it.

We complained EVERY TIME a BS supporter used RWNJ smears against Hillary. Doing it back makes us no better.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:51 PM

57. Read through the thread

 

Most, (not all) are commenting on this being an example of what the right wing would do. That, to me is a valid conversation.

Very few are writing that they agree with the content.

We are discussing the inevitability of the right wing rolling this out if he were to be nominated.

We are not calling him a communist (well most, there's a couple of posts on the actual content)

Pointing out why your opponent is weak is what we do all day here.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:58 PM

59. Yes, they probably used the juxtaposition with the avowed Socialist Sanders in order to smear Obama.

 

That's why this extracted clip represents a perfect example of the smear and slime job that awaits Sanders if, god forbid, he should ever become the Dem candidate in the GE.

All the more justification to view it and know it, so as not to be blind-sided.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:30 PM

9. And this is why the GOP want him as the nom....

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:40 PM

15. Yeah......

He reminds me of the old members of the Communist Party in America who clung to the belief for a long time that the Soviet Union was not a repressive system, despite glaring evidence to the contrary - people like Pete Seeger and Jessica Mitford. I don't even dispute that their hearts were in the right place but ultimately the Communist Party betrayed its followers.

And we've seen these takeovers fail over and over - the regimes are autocratic and the citizens don't have the freedom we enjoy. I remember a very moving piece about Katarina Witt that was on a year or two ago - she said that the system gave her the means to train as a skater (and she appreciated that and they gave her a good life when she was young) but that when she wanted to retire and go professional after the Olympics, they told her she could not do that if she didn't win a gold medal. Knowing that, and then watching her performance at those Olympics when I saw that special, and the absolute relief on her face when she got the gold medal was extremely moving. If she hadn't won, they would have forced her out of skating and she would have just been another East German housewife, maybe she would have been allowed to coach, but they weren't going to let her skate professionally in ice shows.

Of course there are some good takeaways from the Scandinavian systems, but the U.S. is not a small 1000-year old country and it's not the kind of thing that can reasonably be instituted here after one election. Change in this country tends to be more incremental and that's okay, too.



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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:43 PM

17. They keep batting it down.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:39 PM

53. Everyone copy and paste the link to the video somewhere so we can re-post it . . .

if hidden. This OP has the video embedded in a response.

Their heads would explode if we posted this in the Sanders group.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:49 PM

20. Now, imagine 25 variations of that ... shorter, punchier, better production values ...

... better graphics, better music, and a more ominous sounding narration voice ... being blasted from every TV, radio and internet connection 24 hours a day for the duration of the election.

Bernie's campaign would collapse like a house of cards.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:03 PM

28. And throw in some Sanders' narration of Eugene Debs' speeches.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:06 PM

30. And we'd all sit back and watch

 

As giant letters T R U M P all done in gold leaf get installed over the portico at the White House.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:50 PM

96. Exactly

The not-American accent voice wouldn't be used, that's for sure.

They can cry "red baiting" all they want but the point is that is exactly what the Republicans do and they will do it.

It may not be all that effective for Obama, but Bernie has to history that could make it real.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:56 PM

21. I've done my research.

Everything in the video is quite consistent with the things I have read. I don't think his supporters really know much about the person they think they know. Love is blind, I suppose.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:00 PM

24. K + R

I've yet to see anything in this video that isn't true. He's said these things, he should have to answer for them.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:02 PM

26. If he were to be the nominee

 

All this and worse would come at him at a blinding pace.

We've been saying it all along....he hasn't been vetted, not like this video does...

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:07 PM

31. Yup...

This video is why I roll my eyes when they try to see Democratic Socialist as just a democrat who cares more about people. Nah, he has a documented history of embracing socialist and communist regimes.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:01 PM

25. Very interesting post

I certainly think this indicates that Bernie has not been well-enough vetted. Though it does looks like it doesn't matter now.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:05 PM

29. Audio Video seems to be a popular spot.

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:12 PM

34. Wanna give it a shot and post it there?

 

With some reasonable note to jury...?

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:04 PM

61. Ask mikey!

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:07 PM

64. Scaredy cat. Lol!

 

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #64)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:33 PM

69. Darn tooting.

I see them cut a few seconds of HRC stuff and twist it to their memes. I suppose that stuff must be considered visual art over now there since Skinner roughed up posting placement.

Not touching that with my paws though.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:08 PM

32. Interesting

Kick

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:24 PM

40. This is a RWNJ smear.

 

Trevor Loudon is behind this. He's anti-Democrat, anti-Muslim, and we shouldn't be promoting his videos here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Loudon

I am a Hillary supporter, and i DO NOT approve of spreading this shit around DU.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:33 PM

46. This is a statement of just what the right wing would do to Sanders as nominee

 

The thread points that out. Facts put together in a clip presented out of context.

That's what republicans would do to him.

I see it as pointing out their tactics, not carry water for Trevor Loudon

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:34 PM

49. I don't believe you. nt

 

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:38 PM

52. You dont believe that I'm certain this is an example of the right wing play book?

 

And that I find it has tactical value to present it as a reason why Sanders is a weak candidate?

Or you think that I believe he is a communist? Because I don't.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:53 PM

58. The problem is that the facts are not on Bernie's side.

The video takes advantage of those facts. The skeletons are out there. I did the research myself, and Bernie is quite vulnerable on many counts.

Perhaps you should take the points, one by one, and show which are not true, rather than simply rejecting the source. The bread line quote was Bernie's. The positive statements about Castro's regime were Bernie's.

The more I read about Bernie's past, the more I question his candidacy. Republican operatives would not shy away from the truth about Bernie's past.

Watch his video about Eugene Debs, and ask yourself how that would be received by the majority of American voters. Bernie is not an FDR Democrat, by a long shot.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:48 PM

56. Many of us have known about the Nicaraqua/Cuba/Moscow connections in Sanders' . . .

background. The things in that video are true.

Why shouldn't people in the party know these things, especially the ones that are his ardent supporters.

I'm saying this as a Hillary supporter, who however, is not opposed to a mixture of socialism and regulated capitalism which can provide services to the public like Social Security, single payer health care (Medicare), police and fire protection, strong unions, infrastructure maintenance, college tuition to those who qualify all instances of socialism and some already in existence in the country.

People should know what's up repug sleeves if Bernie somehow gets the nomination. They do oppostition research. This stuff is not a secret.

What's incredible is the restrain shown by the Clinton camp in not referencing any of this at all in the campaign, even when she was being relentlessly attacked.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:33 PM

47. I didn't think we were allowed to speak the truth about Bernie!

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Response to Walk away (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:45 PM

55. To be clear

 

These are snips of truths edited together with a few jumps in logical association.

The point of this is that this is precisely what the right wing has waiting for him.

This is precisely why he is a weak candidate and he can't be our nominee.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:36 PM

51. Why was this guy allowed to run as a Democrat?

I ask myself this question over and over again. He does not intend anything good for the Democratic party. He wants it to be destroyed. He will try to make a mess of the convention, and droves of protestors outside of the convention will be arrested and highlighted on the evening news.

He said he would not be a spoiler, but his words and actions betray him at this point.

I sure hope I am wrong and that he will soon change his tone, but this is what I foresee.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #51)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:43 PM

54. Because we are a democracy.

 

We can't stop someone from running but we can work to make certain he doesn't win.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #54)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:15 PM

66. But the Democratic party has no obligation to let non-Democrats run as Democrats.

Or should we also allow "moderate" Republicans to run as Democrats? Why not let Greens and Libertarians run as Democrats too?

Where does the "trojan horse" movement stop? That's why I also oppose open primaries. Otherwise, we turn the "party system" into a "no-party" system.

People who belong to political parties have certain things in common. One thing they have in common is their commitment to work for the good of the party and all its members.

Someone who has bashed the Democratic party for thirty years has shown no such commitment.

I hate the game of golf. I think I will join a golf club and spend all my days and nights bashing the game of golf, critiquing members who play the game, complaining about the food, and openly questioning whether this club should be allowed to continue to exist. And I will also assert my right not to contribute financially to the club.

As I recall, the US constitution does not guarantee the right of any non-party member to run as a candidate in any party he or she chooses.

Sorry about the rant, but I believe that the Democratic party should be for Democratic candidates only.

The situation we find ourselves in, on the other hand, is that we have an anti-Democrat running as a Democrat. Nearly the entire party has been thrown under that candidate's bus.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:37 PM

70. #1. It's in the Democratic Party's interest to not have a Leftwing candidate run as a 3rd party.

 

Because if Sanders got on the ballot in November, he'd siphon votes and also make it easier to steal a close election.

#2. Clinton needs to have someone opposite her in this Primary.

Should Sanders stop the negative stuff and stick to attacking Republicans at this point? Yes.

Will he do it?

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #70)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:45 PM

73. She had a lifelong Democrat opposing her.

This candidate was shut out by Sanders' entering the race and by a lousy debate schedule.

We may find that a non-Democrat running within the party can be just as destructive as one running as an independent.

We shall see. A lot will depend on what that candidate decides to do.

Sanders will not stop the negative stuff, because bringing down the Democratic party was his purpose all along.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but I don't see him changing course.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #70)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:20 PM

85. No he won't stop

 

He has proven not to be loyal to the party. Heck he is suing the party. His decision to run 3rd party or not is not in our control no matter what we post.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:00 PM

60. The information in the video, whether true or not, is ...

 

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unlikely to warm people up to Sanders; but/and, will have the right up in arms ... sending them to nose-holding votes for the republican candidate (unless that candidate is cruz, who they will happily support).

The next series of commercials will be directed at independents and will contain clips of him saying, "Yes ... taxes will go up" and, "Yes ... I'm going to grow government" ... sending them happily to trump and, maybe, Kasich, and nose-holdingly to cruz.

The next series of commercials will be directed at Democrats that poll(ed) favorably for President Obama's tenure (particularly, Black voters) and will contain clips of Sanders saying, "We need to go in a different direction from President Obama" and, President Obama needs to be primaried." But, it is unlikely to have any/much effect on President Obama loving Democrats.

The commercials will be all gop originated, and because for most of America, it will be the first time they have heard any/much of this (unlike the daily smears they have heard/been hearing about HRC) ... November will be a bloody, bloody loss for Democrats all the way down to Dog Catcher.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:06 PM

63. Well stated

 

And while its source is vile, we can't ignore the fact that this is what awaits Sanders if he were the nominee.

It blows away the claim that he can beat any republican running.

No Senator, they haven't swift boated you yet; this clip is phase one.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #63)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:22 PM

67. On DU, we are treated every day to right wing attacks on Clinton.

I think that this has strengthened our immune system, and it has certainly made our candidate stronger.

It is better to face unpleasant facts and inconvenient truths now, than to be ambushed by them later.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:29 PM

68. I think the difference between this and the Clintons attacks

 

Is that here we are presenting a right wing smear with 'this is what the right wing would do'


As relates the Clinton attacks, the right wing smears are presented as gospel.

That's the qualitative difference, IMO

And that's why I think this clip deserves to stand, not be hidden. But we will see ~

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #68)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:37 PM

71. I agree.

The opposition adopts right wing talking points as if they were universal truths.

This video is presented as a "example" based upon enough facts to be disconcerting.

Some facts about Sanders' past have to be confronted. Better now than later.

"Hiding" inconvenient truths won't help Bernie's cause. It might even make things worse.

The same is true regarding "hiding" Bernie's tax forms.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #71)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:43 PM

72. Preachin' to the choir here, Koinos...

 

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:46 PM

74. Might as well preach. I can't sing worth a damn.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #74)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:15 PM

82. LOL ... My Mom (R.I.P.) used to say, ...

 

"{She/He/They} can't sing a lick ... but they sure did make a joyful noise!"

I miss you, Ma.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #82)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:36 PM

93. Great quote, 1StrongBlackMan!

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:52 PM

75. I'll say it: this is not helpful at all, or appropriate.

 

He's done. He's beaten. We've won.

Why the hell dredge up stuff from Ted Cruz's fanbase?

These are hypothetical ads hat will never be run, because there's now zero chance Sanders will be the nominee.

Attacking from the right is a stupid thing to do in a primary in the Democratic party especially when it's completely unnecessary.

My record on the junior Senator from Vermont, and his stans is pretty clear.

But I can't see how this helps us.

Don't be like the BernieBros.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #75)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:05 PM

78. I would respectfully disagree that this is like a BB (won't spell it out as it offends some)

 

This is presented as an example of what a swift boating of Sanders would look like.

BBs present right wing smears as gospel truth. Every day. And K&R the heck out of each line.

We know we've beaten him. But Team Sanders is still running for the nomination. Team Sanders is still very much running against Secretary Clinton. Team Sanders is still soliciting donations for said campaign.

I think it's tactical to continue to point out why he'd be such a weak candidate against a republican. Particularly when his entire side firmly believes they would beat ANY republican.

If it keeps one undecided from sending him $27....

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:11 PM

80. more likely it'll piss them off into donating more money

 

they feed off grievances and contrived bullshit and narratives of victimhood. they don't know what to do with themselves without some way to claim they and their cause is being persecuted

you put out a fire by depriving it of fuel and oxygen.

St. Bernard has been given a free pass on a lot of stuff, been treated like the harmless eccentric uncle who lives in an RV in the country.

Well, that's pretty much where he is now.

We'll need those people to vote and donate in the fall. A lot of them obviously will not be helpful, but remember that a lot more people read than post.


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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #80)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:18 PM

83. According to BS, Weaver and Devine this is not true at all:

 


He's done. He's beaten. We've won.


They are still going around attacking HRC! and saying that BS polls better than HRC! and saying they're going to get HRC PLEDGED DELEGATES plus SUPER DELEGATES to switch to BS!

So no they aren't done till we see them stop talking like that!!! And attacking and smearing HRC!!!


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Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:26 PM

88. They think that BS does better in Polls against Trump or any of the GOP candidates?

 

That's what they're using as one of their most key points to use to turn PLEDGED Delegates against HRC!!

Why do they believe this?? This is just wrong headed for BS campaign to keep using that point.


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Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:08 PM

92. You have interesting point of view on BS supporters since you've been here so long!

 

Seems so bizarre sometimes, actually more than sometimes.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #80)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:31 PM

90. I understand your point

 

I really do but I don't want to starve a fire, I want to feed a mind.

Feels like we've been passively and politely running against the Senator. It's rarely a reciprocated tone. And I know more folks read than write posts here. Why not reach out, again tactically, to an undecided lurker?

Those who have already decided they won't vote for Clinton in the fall, well, really...is there anything we could say or not say that would change those minds?

I really do see your point, I just respectfully, disagree.

Peace

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #75)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:15 PM

81. Their argument is he would make a better candidate

 

to beat GOP. That is the argument they're making at the convention. Bernie has not been attacked by the GOP yet, Hillary has been attacked by GOP and Bernie. She is still standing. I think this shows his supporters some of the ugly that can come up. Don't hide.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #81)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:19 PM

84. they're not going to be making any argument at the convention.

 

the talk of contested convention is a way for them to defraud their chump supporters into donating money thinking they have a path to victory.

Dipping into the rightwing sewer hurts our cause more than it helps.

If this were a competitive primary, I'd feel different. But he's done. Done, done, done.

Done.

They'll never be convinced of it until their candidate runs up the white flag himself.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:00 PM

76. I don't care much for Sanders

 

I do believe he is by his own admission a socialist. Nothing in this video is untrue, he did attend these communist meetings, he did participate on speaking at their rallies, he did received and is receiving the loud support of his socialist leaning/communist loving supporters. I have been purged by Sanders acolytes here from questioning the man's credentials as a Democrat. As far as I know, he's never been one, nor proud of the party he is trying to take over.

I just want to say that the Democratic Party that I have supported since has never been a supporter of both the communists or the socialists. It is the home for and of responsible well-regulated Capitalism.

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Response to Pilosopo78 (Reply #76)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:35 PM

103. You've been here less than 24 hours, yet you've been "purged"?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #103)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:43 PM

108. I have to use a different

 

User name this time. I think that should have been a given, besides if you are here in a protected group trying to question the veracity of my statement then my bad. You are not welcome here, you are more than welcome to discuss my opinion in your own protected group as well. Simple as that.

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Response to Pilosopo78 (Reply #108)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:34 AM

111. Why do you have a different name?

What happened to you?

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:02 PM

77. Thank you. Mine was hidden

 

Bernie has NOT been subjected to GOP attacks and that is why he and his supporters think he is a better candidate. This and MORE is what they are going to use should he be the nominee.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:07 PM

79. Sounds like "Mr. Deeds"

If you've see the movie Mr. Deeds, the sleazy tabloid guy sounds exactly like this guy.

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Response to kracer20 (Reply #79)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:21 PM

86. Had Australian Boyfriend before so don't mind the accent

 

Charming actually for me!

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:02 PM

91. Yuuuuuuugggggeeee K&R

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:43 PM

94. Looks like it survived.

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Response to savalez (Reply #94)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:48 PM

95. Surprisingly...

 

meanwhile over in the Bernie group they've presented their republican smear video on Hillary only they won't call it a smear, they call it facts....not all but enough ~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=181792

I'm so tired of the notion that we should remain passive so they won't go away mad. Feels pointless.

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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #95)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:55 PM

97. I remember clearly

a BS supporter being nasty here and when he/she was retaliated on they said something to the effect of "careful, you're not going to get my vote that way." That was early on. I'm happy to see that HRC people are not really falling for that stuff anymore.

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Response to savalez (Reply #97)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:18 PM

100. Blackmail just so charming!

 

Adults blackmailing other people! That's not worth a conversation! Very poor thinking and coping skills IMO.

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #100)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:58 PM

104. Heads up, you're being alert stalked. I just served on a jury for this reply.

I'll post results when they're in.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #104)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:12 PM

106. Thanks Nikki!

 

Actually I am pretty happy this week! I was one of the 1 million who voted in NY for HRC! woo hoo!!




ALL is Well!
Enthusiastically READY FOR HER!!!

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #106)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:13 PM

107. I was able to cast my vote for her a couple weeks ago here in WI

Onward!!!

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #100)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:01 PM

105. I was juror #3


On Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Blackmail just so charming!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=111667

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This poster repeatedly posted a right wing video that not only depicts Sen Sanders as an enemy of the US but also President Obama as a Muslim communist and now they're accusing supporters of blackmail. Enough of the swift boating and character assassination of both Sanders and his supporters..

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:59 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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You have clearly alerted on the wrong post or are alert stalking in a spectacular fashion. Just hide the thread, ignore the poster or bring it to admins attention. What you're doing is creepy. Just stop. You make DU suck.
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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:20 PM

101. why are you such a meanie to St. Bernard?



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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:34 PM

102. K&R

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