Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:54 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

Jaw-dropping expression of either delusion or a demented attempt at being sinister.

Has anyone else seen something like this?

In a harmless conversation about whether Sanders skipping over to California to campaign was a good idea, I had this exchange:

Me: If things go according to my personal projections that include Sanders winning two of the five primaries next week and cutting deep into HRC's leads in PA, MD, and CT; winning every May and June contest (all by at least 10% and some by 80/20 margins); then, he will need a 66/34 victory in California to beat HRC by 3 delegates.

A Bernie Fan: Evidently you don't understand the entire process leading to convention and the process at convention. There are no real numbers yet. At all.

Me: This is just a big illusion? All the campaigning, voting, debates, and lawsuits are a charade?

A Bernie Fan: Pretty much. As we have been saying. We will use every inch to claim victory so we can change it. Something Hillary won't do.

So, is this pure desperation or some bizzarro plan to turn the convention upside down?

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26 replies	Author	Time	Post
Jaw-dropping expression of either delusion or a demented attempt at being sinister. (Original post)	Buzz Clik	Apr 2016	OP
I'm thinking both.	Lucinda	Apr 2016	#1
Delusional. Any one of his stans with this kind of thinking is DELUSIONAL!!!! NT	UMTerp01	Apr 2016	#2
Bet you felt a bit alternate universey thing there. eom	fleabiscuit	Apr 2016	#3
Indeed.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2016	#6
Perfect!	pandr32	Apr 2016	#24
Neither. It's complete ignorance of how the POTUS election system works ...	LannyDeVaney	Apr 2016	#4
LOL!	Buzz Clik	Apr 2016	#5
I was in a discussion in which Al Gore was accused of	Agnosticsherbet	Apr 2016	#7
Although some of the Berners at DU are sincere...	Buzz Clik	Apr 2016	#10
Next thing you know, they'll be petitioning for "Open Carry" in Philadelphia,	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2016	#26
Oh, lordy.	Treant	Apr 2016	#8
Agreed	Buzz Clik	Apr 2016	#11
Neat website.	savalez	Apr 2016	#13
Yep!	Treant	Apr 2016	#17
Pretty cool. Me likey!	savalez	Apr 2016	#18
If the thought is some are going to be outside of the convention and their actions is going to get	Thinkingabout	Apr 2016	#9
The DNC controls the convention, not the candidates.	stopbush	Apr 2016	#12
There are times when I have to shake my head.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2016	#14
One of the things missing in some of the projections, I think, is that he won't do as well	LuvLoogie	Apr 2016	#15
They talking about hijacking the convention.....	Historic NY	Apr 2016	#16
This	romana	Apr 2016	#19
Yes. They are trying to stack the state delegates with Bennie Supporters.	Walk away	Apr 2016	#23
Pipe dream. But one thing is sure...Sanders will return to the Senate, the most hated man to ever..	Tarheel_Dem	Apr 2016	#20
And he has NO ONE to blame but his own behavior and arrogance. eom	BlueCaliDem	Apr 2016	#21
This is the "Denial" stage of grief	NastyRiffraff	Apr 2016	#22
Is he usually this weird?	SharonClark	Apr 2016	#25

Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:56 PM

Lucinda (30,969 posts)

1. I'm thinking both.

There is also a contingent burrowing into the DNC with the intent to disrupt.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:57 PM

UMTerp01 (1,048 posts)

2. Delusional. Any one of his stans with this kind of thinking is DELUSIONAL!!!! NT

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:57 PM

fleabiscuit (4,542 posts)

3. Bet you felt a bit alternate universey thing there. eom

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:00 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

6. Indeed.

Another graduate of Trump U.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:22 AM

pandr32 (10,688 posts)

24. Perfect!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:58 PM

LannyDeVaney (1,033 posts)

4. Neither. It's complete ignorance of how the POTUS election system works ...

They've been sold a load of BS (literally and figuratively).

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Response to LannyDeVaney (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:00 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

5. LOL!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:03 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

7. I was in a discussion in which Al Gore was accused of

"conceding for unities sake," which was utter bullshit.

People there are pretty close to calling for armed rebellion.

There is some disturbing stuff going on.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:39 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

10. Although some of the Berners at DU are sincere...

... far too many are militant and non-thinking. Those people remind me of Trump's supporters.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:56 PM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

26. Next thing you know, they'll be petitioning for "Open Carry" in Philadelphia,

just to be able to back up their bombast with some fire power.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:06 PM

Treant (1,968 posts)

8. Oh, lordy.

http://demrace.com/?share=KmSdI1zF

Even being ridiculously kind to Sanders, I can't get him a win.

And once apportioned, they're not going to change--with supers also voting on the first round, it's going to be over in about ten minutes.

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Response to Treant (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:39 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

11. Agreed

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Response to Treant (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:46 PM

savalez (3,517 posts)

13. Neat website.

Did you set the sliders on the pending races like that?

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Response to savalez (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:58 AM

Treant (1,968 posts)

17. Yep!

You can set things anywhere you want. As Clinton wins--or does better than the numbers I set--I keep riding the extra delegates into California.

Save it and share it--they'll give you a link.

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Response to Treant (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:03 AM

savalez (3,517 posts)

18. Pretty cool. Me likey!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:20 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

9. If the thought is some are going to be outside of the convention and their actions is going to get

Sanders the nomination, it will not happen, just as Wall Street continues after the occupy program, the DNC will continue and so will the GE in November and Sanders will not be the nominee.

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Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:42 PM

stopbush (24,253 posts)

12. The DNC controls the convention, not the candidates.

Wishful thinking on the part of the Sanders campaign that they can pull off a coup.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:46 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

14. There are times when I have to shake my head.

Some of these charcters are so odd.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:22 AM

LuvLoogie (6,489 posts)

15. One of the things missing in some of the projections, I think, is that he won't do as well

in the open primaries going forward. A large block of his open primary support is more anti-Clinton than it is pro-Bernie. This was illustrated in the Ohio win, where the crossover rallied to Kasich. And it is illustrated in Wisconsin where 14 % of his voters didn't vote for any down ticket Dems or vote in the Supreme Court Race. I think another portion of Bernie's Wisconsin voters actually voted for the Walker Republican.

As the non-Democratic contingent of his voters sees this as Hillary's race, they will be less inclined to fuck with the Democrats and tend to their own house.

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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:33 AM

Historic NY (37,058 posts)

16. They talking about hijacking the convention.....

Weaver said that they would go to state conventions and try to flip delegates...like they have been doing.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:06 AM

romana (765 posts)

19. This

Clinton's campaign needs to be on this. They'll try to pull a Rand Paul.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:55 AM

Walk away (9,494 posts)

23. Yes. They are trying to stack the state delegates with Bennie Supporters.

Delegates vote for the person that won them in the first vote of a contested convention but if it goes to a second vote they can choose whoever they want.

They want to be all set to steal the nomination. They learned that lesson from Cruz.

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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:11 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,144 posts)