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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:28 PM

These hides are getting ridiculous!

They accused me of bullying Ida Briggs when, in actuality, I wasn't smearing her reputation at all. I was calling out the posting of Fox News as a credible source.

My EXACT text of that post was:

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I am not trying to smear *your* precious reputation
I am trying to point out that posting links to Rupert Murdoch's Titillating Cavalcade of Tabloid Trash™ lowers the bar on this website. If you want to deflect from that by making this about your personal reputation, you are free to do so, but I am confident that even the most ardent Bernie supporter knows that's not the point I'm making, even if they won't admit it. I'm sure the right wingers who surf this site are cackling that we're now legitimizing their pseudo-journalistic temple of spin.
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How is that bullying or smearing her???

Why are the admins not addressing how flawed this jury system is? And they say Arizona was rigged. Charity begins at home.

They're deflecting by making it about a longtime DUer. This has nothing to do with her. This has everything to do with who she's sourcing. This is such bullshit. I'm glad I got my hundred dollars back. Let them ban me from this site. I could care less. If they want to allow this abuse and do nothing about it, I could care less how any of them feel.

----------- here's the actual alert. -------

On Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I am not trying to smear *your* precious reputation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1811286

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster is harassing and attempting to bully Ida Briggs. I've seen enough of these kinds of posts over months here that are just harassment.

Please hide this one so discussion can resume.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:09 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's an argument, not harassment. And the poster is right. This Bernie fan is getting sick of the right-wing propaganda quoted on both sides!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't post links from "Rupert Murdoch's Titillating Cavalcade of Tabloid Trashâ„¢" without expecting to be called on it. Poster is also replying to someone who has claimed to have 'cured' cerebral palsy with snake oil and moonbeams, so reputation is what it is.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Definitely harassment of a long time DUer, 'your precious reputation' and from a brand new poster. Better learn from the beginning to be respectful to other posters here, at least that used to be the goal of community standards. Hiding it to let the poster take a breath and maybe choose a different way of communicating in the future
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: There are folks from both camps working hard to make sure the others people don't vote come this general election.. and they are doing a bang up job. What a trash hole DU has become.

CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION

You will no longer be able to participate in this discussion thread, and you will not be able to start a new discussion thread in this forum until 6:09 PM. This hidden post has been added to your <a href="/?com=profile&uid=331871&sub=trans">Transparency page</a>.

IMPORTANT: Hidden posts remain on your Transparency Page for 90 days. If at any time your Transparency Page contains five or more hidden posts, your Transparency Page will be displayed and can be read by any logged-in member

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Reply These hides are getting ridiculous! (Original post)
nolawarlock Apr 2016 OP
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #1
fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #9
IamMab Apr 2016 #19
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #24
Shrike47 Apr 2016 #2
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #3
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #6
Cha Apr 2016 #20
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #25
MFM008 Apr 2016 #4
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #5
fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #10
liberal N proud Apr 2016 #7
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #8
liberal N proud Apr 2016 #11
Walk away Apr 2016 #29
Fla Dem Apr 2016 #56
fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #12
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #26
displacedtexan Apr 2016 #13
Tommy2Tone Apr 2016 #18
mercuryblues Apr 2016 #31
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #35
mercuryblues Apr 2016 #44
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #45
mercuryblues Apr 2016 #46
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #47
mercuryblues Apr 2016 #48
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #49
Fla Dem Apr 2016 #57
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #58
Tommy2Tone Apr 2016 #59
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #14
BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #15
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #16
stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #17
Cha Apr 2016 #21
Kaleva Apr 2016 #22
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #23
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #30
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #36
Kaleva Apr 2016 #38
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #40
Kaleva Apr 2016 #34
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #37
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #27
Post removed Apr 2016 #28
mercuryblues Apr 2016 #32
littlebit Apr 2016 #33
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #43
johnp3907 Apr 2016 #52
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #53
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #54
johnp3907 Apr 2016 #55
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #41
littlebit Apr 2016 #51
KittyWampus Apr 2016 #39
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #42
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #50
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #60

Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:30 PM

1. Now they can suck on my latest sig file.

Complete with animation.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:47 PM

9. LOL

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:15 PM

19. Do me a favor now... POST OFTEN!!!

 

Your sig made me LOL IRL, so I hope I see it regularly.

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Response to IamMab (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:03 PM

24. Unless they keep alert hiding me for every little comment, you will. n/t

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:31 PM

2. If you had left out the asterisks and the sarcastic 'precious', you would have a stronger case.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:33 PM

3. That's just BS

That was in response to HER accusing me of smearing her reputation, which I was not doing. Read the whole thread in context. I was commenting about Fox News. That's such BS and they know it.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:38 PM

6. Moreover

I put "asterisks" on *your* to emphasize that the reputation I was smearing was that of Fox News and wondering why she would post from there, but whatever. The inmates are running the asylum. I don't care if they ban me. I have no desire to commiserate with people who use the flaws in this application to continuously silence all opposition and the admins just keep sticking mini bandaids on it.

I added in precious because her assertion was ridiculous on its face. She was the one being rude in trying to deflect and bully me into silence.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:25 PM

20. He has a strong case.

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Response to Cha (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:04 PM

25. I agree. nt

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:34 PM

4. i got one

for saying AS A JOKE, Sanders must have jumped the pope outside the bathroom.
The one who turned it in said enough was enough.
Skin thinner than Trump around here?




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Response to MFM008 (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:36 PM

5. It's crap and they know it.

They're abusing the jury system and the jury system is broken.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:48 PM

10. LOL

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:41 PM

7. They like FOX which was the first indication I had where BS ers came from

And they are not going to go away.

I have been hidden for using BS.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:45 PM

8. I just suggested this for the jury system on "Ask the Administrators"

I asked this on the "Ask the Administrators" forum.

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You can pretty much know that any 4-3 Jury decision is probably going to be driven not by the tone of the post but rather by the partisan nature of the jurors.

So I thought of a suggestion that might work. Could you set it up so that only 5 to 2 votes get hidden? I find that nearly all of the 4 to 3 votes are bogus. Sure, some of the 5 to 2 votes are bogus also due to the fact that this site is probably about 80% Sanders supporters, but at least it would eliminate some of the bogus hides.

It's a suggestion, at least until you can overhaul the jury system.

Thank you.
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I say keep the status quo unless they reach 5 to 2. Anything else is just disgustingly partisan.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:48 PM

11. They have so decimated the jury pool that they now dominate it

Between bogus hides and targeting people until they are banned, we are out numbered.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:12 PM

29. How do you get banned now????

I thought 5 hides didn't matter anymore.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:44 PM

56. 5 hides won't get you banned, but overt nastiness, insulting

comments, saying you won't support the Democratic nominee, trying to enlist people into a 3rd party, in other words not being a Democrat might.
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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:49 PM

12. Good suggestion.

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:05 PM

26. Of course a 5 to 2 threshold would make it harder to alert on Bernie supporter hate ...

... but at least we wouldn't be sidelined out of conversation every few days.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:19 PM

13. I serve on a jury almost every day.

Alas, almost all of them end up voting against anything positive about Clinton or the Dem party.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:45 PM

18. There are two standards

One is Bernie fans can say just about anything they want and Hillary fans have to watch our words carefully. I am sorry but that is the way it seems to me.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:47 PM

31. that is exactly it

I got 2 hides and a lock for posting the same thing that Bernie supporters did. In my hides I just changed the name Clinton to Sanders. In the Sanders group those posts were allowed to stay, in HRC group, they got a hide.

In HRC group I got a lock with 5 minutes of posting an exact OP that I saw in the Sanders group. In the sanders group it was allowed to stay up for over 24 hours. The only reason a host finally locked it. I appealed my lock, using their post as an example. Within 10 minutes of that, it was finally locked.

Heck I even got banned from the Sanders group for posting this..."no"

and they have the audacity to whine about the HRC group's censorship.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:22 PM

35. It's so unbalanced.

But people will exploit what they can exploit so I don't think the fault lies primarily with the Sanders people.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:47 PM

44. I fault the hosts

they could have kept the outrageous vitriol down. They chose not only to let it stand, but to engage in it.

I alerted on a Sanders room post where they called Hillary a vile sexist name


this is the reply I got from a host:

"Don't waste our time.

email blocked ...enjoy"

Somehow they blocked it from going to a jury.
A host of a group associated with the Sanders group sent me this, when called out on the name calling

"Fuck off"

I alerted on both emails and nothing was done.


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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:52 PM

45. So there are hosts of the GDP group?

I must have missed that. I definitely wouldn't liked that response.

I may end up finding some place else to talk politics. These people are gonna work my last nerve and I may just sit out the election entirely just to spite these people if their candidate wins.

They should be glad I'm posting here, where my influence is equal to anyone else's. On my home turf, i just shut up and sing, so to speak, since I don't believe my fans stick around for my political opinions. But that could change on a dime.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:58 PM

46. No

these were in the Sanders Group. A Sanders' host sent me one.
The other hosts another forum that is closely aligned with Sanders group.

IOW these are hosts of forums sending this shit and they are allowed to. I would think that if a host sent something like that to another member, IDK, they would no longer be allowed to host a forum?

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:02 PM

47. Oh.

I wouldn't even bother posting in there. If debate is, as I said previously, all about the audience, reaching their audience is not going to change anymore minds than the individual I might debate there. It's an exercise in futility. Then again, so is GDP at this point.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:05 PM

48. yeah

I don't care about changing their minds, but I though calling a dem candidate sexist slurs were uncalled for.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:10 PM

49. That ship has sailed.

I've seen so much sexism on this site against Hillary that I just can't even try. It's honorable that you're doing it but at this point it's like holding up a cup in a rain storm and thinking that the rain will stop once the cup is full. Ain't gonna happen. This site will remain this way until there is an effective jury system with admins behind it, or, better yet, just admins.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:01 PM

57. For heaven sakes Nola, stick around.

There will be a flight of severely disappointed Bernie fans and RW trolls. It may come as soon as tomorrow night. Hang in there, the admins will get it squared away.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:24 PM

58. Awesome.

Until then, I hope they notice the Exorcist reference in my new signature pic. LOL

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:32 AM

59. I seem to be on juries all the time.

Nearly every post negative about Bernie gets hidden and nearly every negative post about Hillary is leaven it alone.

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:27 PM

14. Look at it this way (use "Bernie Math")

The ratio of Bernie to Hillary supporters on this board is 6-to-1.

Your jury results were 4-3.

We've come to expect that questionable alerts typically get 6-to-1 votes (sometimes 7-0).

The fact that YOUR results were BETTER than either of these two scores means that YOU WON.

#BernieMath

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:29 PM

15. I LIKE this take, NJ!

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:34 PM

16. Thank you!

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:38 PM

17. " this posts has been hidden by a DU Jury"

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:28 PM

21. Getting? They've always been.. We get hides for nothing.. their hides are for

egregiously breaking the TOS.

Sorry about the stupid hide, nola

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:59 PM

22. I've had one hide since the summer of 2013

It's very easy to avoid having posts hidden.

Never lose your cool.

Avoid debates with people whose mind is already made up.

Always remember this is a discussion forum an nothing more then that.

Be respectful to all you are replying to, regardless of their position.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:54 PM

23. I disagree entirely that I was out of line.

Bernie supporters are throughout GDP calling Hillary supporters stupid, deluded, unethical, unprincipled, every imaginable vulgar epithet and nearly all of it stands and little is reporters. I put a word in asterisks to emphasize that I'm Not talking her reputation, because she deflected my initial point by saying that using Fox as a source cheapened us was somehow impugning her personally for posting it and this was simply not what I had ever said. Then, after insulting me up one side and down the other, I posted the following, which was not vulgar. The use of the word "precious" might have been snarky, but was certainly nowhere near as rude as what it was responding to.

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I am not trying to smear *your* precious reputation
I am trying to point out that posting links to Rupert Murdoch's Titillating Cavalcade of Tabloid Trash™ lowers the bar on this website. If you want to deflect from that by making this about your personal reputation, you are free to do so, but I am confident that even the most ardent Bernie supporter knows that's not the point I'm making, even if they won't admit it. I'm sure the right wingers who surf this site are cackling that we're now legitimizing their pseudo-journalistic temple of spin.
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As a Web developer for over 22 years who was also educated in politics at one of the most prestigious political universities on the planet, and as someone who has hosted and administrated both message boards and Facebook groups, I can say without a reasonable doubt that the jury system here is utterly broken and serves only the whims of those in the majority candidate, in this case, those who support Sanders.

Using your line of reasoning, the countless vulgar, hateful, and abusive things that Sanders supporters post hourly should also be getting hid, but few of them are even alerted, and when they are, they're ignored.

I have proposed to the admins that it should take a 5 to 2 jury decision to hide, since the jury system is almost exclusively used to silence any strong point that Hillary supporters make and a 5 to 2 balance is the closest to the breakdown of Bernie supporters vs. Hillary supporters. Granted, that would make it even harder for Hillary supporters to alert anything Bernie people post but at least we wouldn't be getting hidden all the time.

As for this being a discussion forum and "nothing more," whether an interaction is digital or tangible is irrelevant to me. Whether this type of tactic is used in person or online it is equally obnoxious.

I was always going to pull the lever for Bernie if he was the nomination up until this point. His supporters have made me question whether I should just stay home. That's how angry I am about it.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:36 PM

30. I like the President and FLOTUS's standards

when they take the low road, we take the high road. They look like fools and you look dignified. JMHO

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:24 PM

36. First off,

Again, I made it clear I was not talking about her reputation or integrity but the wisdom of posting Fox news.I repeat, I was not talking about her reputation or integrity but the wisdom of posting Fox news. As such, I was not taking the low road at all.

Secondly, as I always say, the high road is still a road, so if some truly despotic or unworthy individual is on it, I might run 'em over.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:36 PM

38. But take the high road and accept the hide with dignity

If it's the audience you want to sway, they may, if they are a member, look at your hidden post and wonder why anyone would alert on it and why a jury would vote to hide. Your behavouir in responding to the hide may sway some here too.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:41 PM

40. My behavior ...

... is to suggest that the admins fix this broken jury system. I don't think justified passion or criticism lacks dignity.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:11 PM

34. Debating with true believers accomplishes nothing

Your hidden post, even if it hadn't been alerted on, probably didn't change anyone's mind.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:27 PM

37. But that's not what debate is really about.

Debating with anyone, whether they be true believers or paid rhetoricians, is not about the opponent. It's about the audience. And only Bernie's ideas are allowed to stay on this site with any consistency. If anyone dares question how abusive or over the top someone is being about Hillary, including sites recently posted that contained conspiracy theories about Vince Foster and Ron Brown and numerous anti-abortion and anti-gay statements, take an act of God to take down. And without a single admin able to be here day to day , there is nary a God to be found here most of the time.

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:08 PM

27. Does anyone know if these hide suspensions end automatically?

Does anyone actually review them?

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Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:58 PM

32. I had

a jury comment alerted on. Completely benign comment, but I juried a Snders vs Hillary post and agreed with the Hillary poster.

I admit I am a Hillary supporter, but I have voted to hide some Hillary supporters posts. I have also voted to hide Sanders supporters posts.

What have I learned.. never to post a fucking comment in the jury section again.

So yes, Sanders supporters are effectively shutting down debate.

They have run off most feminists, most AA group posters and now shutting down Hillary supporters.

Some DEMOCRATIC board, isn't it?

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:10 PM

33. I use to try to be more fair

but I just have gotten to the point where I am fed up. I have only left a comment once on a jury and it was about as smart ass as I could make it.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:45 PM

43. Not even sort of.

But the problem isn't the Bernie people. We could have a majority of this board supporting a candidate from Mars whose only real policy is that we eat all kinds of candy bars and they'd still be able to use the jury system to silence all those of us without a sweet tooth because the jury system itself is irrevocably broken.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:35 PM

52. Now I want a Mars bar.

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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:36 PM

53. hah! So do I!

Though I was hoping someone might get the reference. I have a feeling this may only have been showed on Saturday Morning Cartoons in the Northeast a thousand and one years ago. Then again, Saturday Morning Cartoons dates me bad enough. :-D

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:37 PM

54. Candy Bahs. :-D nt

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:41 PM

55. I never saw that in SW PA in the early seventies.

And I watched those Saturday morning cartoons faithfully.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:42 PM

41. If they're gonna game the system, why shouldn't you?

At this point, it will only hasten the need to address the situation and fix the system.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:52 PM

51. True

And I honestly hope it will be fixed soon. Some of the jury's that I have served on have been ridiculous.

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:38 PM

39. I would send an alert abuse to the Administrators.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:43 PM

42. Done that.

Total waste of time. They don't have time to manage this site. That much is clear. What I do not understand is why they cannot find some even-keeled participants to take on the role of admins.

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:11 PM

50. The problem with this kind of jury system, more than anything,

Is that it becomes a court of public opinion. I'd rather trust my fate to a clerical court in Saudi Arabia than ever trust it to any court of public opinion.

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Response to nolawarlock (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:08 PM

60. Kicking this to prove a point

Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Someone has been calling me out in GDP for saying the jury system is unfair. He then said that "Many in that thread in the HRC group tried gently to tell you that whining about a hide is simply not helpful. Not to mention meta."

So, naturally I went back to this thread to see whether or not this alleged "meta" thread was hidden for being "meta," or if he was correct about the "many" who tried gently to tell me anything.

Now that I return, I see that one person gently (and politely) trying to say that and another person suggesting that my use of asterisks and the word "precious" might have been what got it a hide and I suppose that could be a gentle suggestion as well.

That's two people out of quite a few other people on this thread confirmation my assertions that jury system is unfairly balanced and used against Hillary supporters as a result of the heavy Bernie concentration on the site.

So no, cwydro, you were incorrect.

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