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Related: About this forumHere's Why I Never Warmed Up to Bernie Sanders
Kevin Drum, Mother Jones
With the Democratic primary basically over, I want to step back a bit and explain the big-picture reason that I never warmed up to Bernie Sanders. It's not so much that he's all that far to my left, nor that he's been pretty skimpy on details about all the programs he proposes. That's hardly uncommon in presidential campaigns. Rather, it's the fact that I think he's basically running a con, and one with the potential to cause distinct damage to the progressive cause.
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Bernie's explanation for everything he wants to dohis theory of change, or theory of governing, take your pickis that we need a revolution in this country. The rich own everything. Income inequality is skyrocketing. The middle class is stagnating. The finance industry is out of control. Washington DC is paralyzed.
But as Bill Scher points out, the revolution that Bernie called for didn't show up. In fact, it's worse than that: we were never going to get a revolution, and Bernie knew it all along. Think about it: has there ever been an economic revolution in the United States? Stretching things a bit, I can think of two:
◾The destruction of the Southern slave economy following the Civil War.
◾The New Deal.
The first of these was 50+ years in the making and, in the end, required a bloody, four-year war to bring to a conclusion. The second happened only after an utter collapse of the economy, with banks closing, businesses failing, wages plummeting, and unemployment at 25 percent. That's what it takes to bring about a revolution, or even something close to it.
We're light years away from that right now. Unemployment? Yes, two or three percent of the working-age population has dropped out of the labor force, but the headline unemployment rate is 5 percent. Wages? They've been stagnant since the turn of the century, but the average family still makes close to $70,000, more than nearly any other country in the world. Health care? Our system is a mess, but 90 percent of the country has insurance coverage. Dissatisfaction with the system? According to Gallup, even among those with incomes under $30,000, only 27 percent are dissatisfied with their personal lives.
Like it or not, you don't build a revolution on top of an economy like this. Period. If you want to get anything done, you're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way: through the slow boring of hard wood.
Much, Much more at link: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/04/heres-why-i-never-warmed-bernie-sanders
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)savalez
(3,517 posts)Hekate
(90,561 posts)...the more I agree that we will be damaged.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)of 66 and 68.
If there is a revolution brewing, it is among blacks today. I think that if we don't do something about the inequality, the unrest today over police treatment of minorities will reach those levels under Martin Luther King and his generation.
Hekate
(90,561 posts)...aside from freeing the slaves, an incredible economic upheaval, a real economic revolution, because slavery was the entire basis of the economy of the South and that was taken away.
So on that basis, the Civil Rights Movement was not the kind of revolution Bernie is talking about. He is really blind that way -- he's probably sure that if only the African Americans in the South could have improved their wages, Jim Crow and all its manifestations would have withered away on its own.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I couldn't warm to an independent who at 74 suddenly declares, "I am a Democrat." What integrity?
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)And we're supposed to revere this character? What a mess he made of things.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Not that I am aware of, maybe the Homestead Strike? After Fricke was shot, that swayed the public opinion on who controls a company and was the start of the capitalists truly showing that they were making all the rules and controlling the purse strings of a company. Failed revolution?
Or the aftermath of the Triangle Factory fire?
Both are just random events that caused big changes. I don't know that they'd really fit the definition of a revolution.
The problem with any economic revolution is that the wealthy can easily outlast us . The same people wanting change also work for these very companies, they are literally producing the revenue that is used to control them. How many voting for Bernie work for Walmart, Amazon, Verizon Wireless and so on? $21 T in offshore accounts alone.
The history of the great Coal Strike of 1902 , for example, shows how much the wealthy believe they are superior people and how far will go to have absolute control.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)for example industrialization..people left the farms and moved to urban areas to work
stopbush
(24,392 posts)most, both during the revolution and for decades after. The rich always land on their feet because they have the resources to land on their feet. The rest of us are chattel being fed to the guns.
Raastan
(266 posts)Like Russia, China, etc., theirs did not work out as promised. Why should we believe Bernie can do better with his empty promises?
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)So many people suffered.
It seems revolution is a scorched earth policy.
2naSalit
(86,332 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)if at any point Bernie had come up with a plan for doing any of this stuff that wasn't entirely reliant on 'political revolution'. Everything he's proposed is based on the assumption that millions of people would spend every day of the next __ years rallying for their causes, and that would somehow change the opinions of people in Congress. Issues that poll at 90% can't get them to move, neither can big marches in Washington. This whole scheme was founded on an assumption that we already know isn't true.
stopbush
(24,392 posts)They were the result of the D establishment doing the hard work to get them enacted, then expanding the programs once they took hold.
We didn't need a revolution then. Why would we need one now?
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)The damage done in the pursuit of self aggrandizement is unforgivable.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)BootinUp
(47,085 posts)as for damage to the progressive movement, I would suggest it has always been damaged by similar actors and Bernies actual long term effect is yet to be known.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)From the OP link: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/04/heres-why-i-never-warmed-bernie-sanders
HRC READY!
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Thanks very much.
stopbush
(24,392 posts)He is running a con game, and the ill-informed are buying it, just like they bought Reagan's pie-in-the-sky economics.
We're fortunate that Sanders is going down in flames and that there will be no lasting effect to his campaign. It will be a footnote in history. A few of his followers will remain ultra lefties, more than a few will end up becoming ultra conservatives and the rest will settle back into what they were doing before, with probably half ending up voting longterm with the Ds because...whatever.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I think there will be long-lasting effects from his loss. Sanders supporters already feel the establishment isn't treating him fairly and once he loses, it'll just pour gas on the already burning fires.
His supporters will become further entrenched in their beliefs that you can't get anything accomplished, things will never change, and their vote isn't worth anything. How do I know this? Because Sanders has told them over and over again that only HE is capable of creating the "right" kind of change and they believe him while ignoring the fact that he's been a politician for 30 years and is indeed a part of the establishment himself.
So a lot of these supporters will turn away from politics and will be apathetic about it all--which helps no one.
stopbush
(24,392 posts)enter adulthood and grow up.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Cha
(296,855 posts)oasis
(49,330 posts)JSup
(740 posts)...pretty much sums up how I'd describe why I never warmed up to him.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Gothmog
(144,939 posts)Sanders relied on a magical revolution and did not want to do the hard work to implement change. Magic revolutions are not the way to bring about change
Demnorth
(68 posts)this guy sounds interesting. My turning point came early, when I read through his health care plan. It sounded so much better than what I have, which is single-payer. Too good to be true. If you take people's money and know you can't deliver what you promise, it's unethical.
In my eyes, politicians really don't have to do much when running for office - but they have to answer questions, have a credible plan, address more than a few issues in depth, and be believable and trustworthy.