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Thu May 26, 2016, 01:03 PM

 

How pissed were you in June of 08?

I was looking at GDP and its descent into madness, and as I was thinking about rebuttals to the many anti-Hillary threads, I had a nagging feeling that I can't judge these people harshly, because they reminded me a little of myself in 08 when Hillary was losing. I am not excusing the extreme "blow it all up" assertions; helping Trump in that way is incredibly self destructive. But deep down I see the humanness of their reaction. I also know that when they calm down, someday, they'll see this thing more clearly, as I do now. Some of them never will, and they aren't a true part of this process anyway. They exist only on the sidelines.

This last bit of clinging to the email "scandal," a classic anti-Clinton GOP imagined attack, is particularly sad to witness. It's the most focused on issue right now solely because it is their last hope of winning. And yet because of what's at stake, Sanders defeat, they can't see it was a GOP fake scandal all along.

What about you? What were you feeling in June of 08?

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Reply How pissed were you in June of 08? (Original post)
realmirage May 2016 OP
BootinUp May 2016 #1
LisaM May 2016 #5
BobbyDrake May 2016 #2
LisaM May 2016 #3
gwheezie May 2016 #4
Freddie May 2016 #34
geek tragedy May 2016 #6
Cha May 2016 #21
riversedge May 2016 #38
Cha May 2016 #41
NurseJackie May 2016 #7
realmirage May 2016 #42
NurseJackie May 2016 #44
OKNancy May 2016 #8
ismnotwasm May 2016 #9
DemonGoddess May 2016 #10
Kaleva May 2016 #11
Stand and Fight May 2016 #12
realmirage May 2016 #13
anamnua May 2016 #20
realmirage May 2016 #22
anamnua May 2016 #31
realmirage May 2016 #33
anamnua May 2016 #45
stopbush May 2016 #14
SharonClark May 2016 #15
riversedge May 2016 #37
Name removed May 2016 #16
ProudProgressiveNow May 2016 #17
anamnua May 2016 #18
realmirage May 2016 #23
LisaM May 2016 #25
realmirage May 2016 #26
LisaM May 2016 #27
realmirage May 2016 #28
SaschaHM May 2016 #19
Starry Messenger May 2016 #24
realmirage May 2016 #29
bravenak May 2016 #30
book_worm May 2016 #32
Hekate May 2016 #35
riversedge May 2016 #36
sarae May 2016 #39
realmirage May 2016 #43
sarae May 2016 #47
realmirage May 2016 #50
sarae May 2016 #52
Nonhlanhla May 2016 #40
peggysue2 May 2016 #46
NastyRiffraff May 2016 #48
MattP May 2016 #49
ronnykmarshall May 2016 #51

Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:07 PM

1. I was pissed at the caucus system and I feared a McCain/Palin Administration

As far as other things that happened in the campaign, I thought they were pretty standard types of occurrences in a close primary contest for President.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:15 PM

5. Yes, I was upset at the caucus system too.

Ours was so awful that I actually went to Kinkos (didn't have a home computer at the time) and started a thread about the bullying and the unfairness of it! I then went home all pissed and my sister called me later that day and said that I'd gotten tons of responses and it made it to the Greatest Page (only time ever for me, I think!)

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:11 PM

2. "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

 

I get what you're saying, but as someone who took the time to learn from that campaign, and who supports the candidate who also took the time to learn from that campaign, I can't say I have much sympathy for the side who refused to even entertain the very idea that there was anything they didn't already know.

No one forced Bernie to run a version of 2008's losing campaign. He did that on his own.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:12 PM

3. Not pissed, disappointed.

I think the only thing that bothered me - and this was more with my friends - was peoples' refusal to engage in any sort of reasoning about Obama's stance on the issues, which I thought were slightly to the right of hers. I also learned back then that the big "rock star" kind of rally is part of a campaign style that really turns me off. The other thing that annoyed me was that he'd promised to serve out a full term in the Senate and didn't and no one seemed to think that it mattered.

I was enormously disappointed and I'm sure I pushed back at times - mostly at the ageism, which was rampant then (don't see that so much now, eh? snicker!)

OTOH, I didn't start 10 threads a week trashing Obama. I knew that people responded to Obama's charisma and that they liked being part of an exciting movement (not my style, but so be it). I scarcely dared to hope Hillary would run again and I was thrilled when she did, but I never thought the attacks would double down this time.

And I never, ever said I wouldn't vote for Obama and in fact never considered such an option.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:13 PM

4. I voted for Hillary in my 08 primary

I preferred her to Obama by a hair and went back and forth several times before I voted. So by the time Obama was nominated I was thrilled to be able to vote for him in the GE. I thought puma was ridiculous.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #4)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:44 PM

34. I liked them both

And would have happily voted for either. Was a little disappointed that PBO did not choose HRC for his running mate, but Joe proved to be a great asset. As did she as S of S!

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:15 PM

6. I was a pretty strong supporter of Obama, so I was generally

 

not happy with Hillary during that time period.

But, I got over it. She showed grace and a team mentality after the voting was done. A bar I do not expect her opponent to clear.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:12 PM

21. Yeah, that's just the way it was.. but, Hillary had me @ the Convention..



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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:13 PM

38. wonderful photo and video of Hillary putting Obama's name into nomination. I had

tears that day.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #38)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:26 PM

41. Me too.. we were all so Happy!

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:18 PM

7. I wasn't pissed at all. I had supported Hillary originally, but when she didn't win ...

... the nomination, I supported Obama. It wasn't a difficult choice for me, and I certainly wasn't distraught over it. Maybe if I'd been active with an online forum like this one, I might have felt differently ... but I can't imagine being angry or wanting to do anything to maliciously harm the party or the party's nominee.

It must just be an online phenomenon ... I know several Sanders supporters and they are NOTHING at all like the typical ones encountered here. The ones I know are ordinary rational and reasonable people. They have their own reasons for supporting Sanders, but they aren't the angry and aggressive "Hillary-haters" who'd rather have Trump in order to "punish Democrats".

Bernie was their first choice, but they'll happily support the party's choice anyway. Online Bernie supporters are a very strange group of people.

Alerter: These are my personal opinions based on my personal observations.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:42 PM

42. I've seen some Hillary haters bully people in the sanders

 

group who tried to be reasonable about the situation. Even regular BS supporters here are being terrorized by the fringe

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Response to realmirage (Reply #42)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:47 PM

44. Sad but true.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:19 PM

8. I was for Hillary, but I wasn't pissed at all.

I liked Obama a lot. In fact, as I recall my feelings... the more I heard him the more I thought " OK, I can get behind him"

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:19 PM

9. Not even a little bit

I wanted a Democrat.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:26 PM

10. I wasn't pissed at all

We had two great candidates that year, and the one I didn't support won. It didn't matter, because I liked him as well, and voted for him in the fall. I didn't see a reason to get angry over the FACT that he knew what to do about winning delegates. Obama ran a fantastic campaign, and deserved his win.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:27 PM

11. Not pissed one bit. I was going to vote for the nominee no matter who it was.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:28 PM

12. Disapppionted. Not pissed. What's the point of being pissed? Obama won fair and square.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 01:33 PM

13. The responses here are in line with Sanders voters

 

Only about 20 percent are really pissed about Sanders defeat and hate Hillary. But Hillary had her PUMAs, none of them here today?

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Response to realmirage (Reply #13)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:09 PM

20. I was an '08 PUMA nt

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Response to anamnua (Reply #20)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:19 PM

22. What is your take on the BS hysteria in GDP? The ones who appear to have switched to the GOP?

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #22)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:55 PM

31. I can empathize with them up to a point

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from my '08 PUMAness.
However, in contrast to the Hill '08 campaign when we had legitimate reasons to feel screwed over, the Bernista outrage is all a mirage -- self-conjured and self-validated.
Mind you if you think the current GDP is bad you should have been around for the glory days of the '08 Clintonista/Obamabot spitefest; I still carry the scars!
What would really interest me would be a breakdown of the orientation (Hill or Bernie) during this primary cycle of the '08 Obama primary supporters.

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Response to anamnua (Reply #31)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:59 PM

33. Imagine the BSers if they won Florida and the whole state was disqualified?

 

I think their heads would all simultaneously explode.

When you say orientation, what do you mean..

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Response to realmirage (Reply #33)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:57 PM

45. Which of the two they support

By the way have any of the Bernistas in GDP actually said they would support Trump over Hillary -- as opposed to merely abstaining? If so that is an expellling offence.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 02:34 PM

14. None. Because I backed Obama in 2008. In fact, I always seem to early on back the candidate

who ends up getting the Dem nomination.

Which is why I haven't lost any sleep worrying that Hillary wouldn't get the nomination - I picked her early this time and my track record is excellent.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #14)

Thu May 26, 2016, 03:43 PM

15. Glad you're on Hillary's side!

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Response to stopbush (Reply #14)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:12 PM

37. send some good Karma around.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:00 PM

17. Disappointed....

but still worked to get Obama elected...

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:04 PM

18. I was aggrieved

by the Florida/Michigan disenfranchisement.

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Response to anamnua (Reply #18)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:20 PM

23. That was a tough pill for sure, especially Florida

 

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Response to anamnua (Reply #18)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:39 PM

25. That bothered me a lot, too.

Especially when people I was friends with got all up in arms about it, especially one whom I knew didn't like Hillary and frankly, I knew his anger stemmed from not wanting her to get votes. I still think it was wrong, but people move past it.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #25)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:42 PM

26. When people must choose between principles and winning

 

human nature usually pushes people to choose winning. Your friend who wanted to disqualify Florida, if the shoe was on the other foot, guess what he'd be saying?

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Response to realmirage (Reply #26)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:45 PM

27. I know (we were actually more attuned to Michigan, but both states had the problem).

People always say that they don't want Iowa and NH to have so much influence, but when anyone tries to actually change it, it's a dead end.

Well, that's water under the bridge now. Note Hillary didn't file a bunch of lawsuits, though, which Sanders certainly would have done (heck, if someone reminds him about it, he'll probably go file one now!)

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Response to LisaM (Reply #27)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:48 PM

28. It's actually better that Hillary gets the job now, rather than playing clean up after Bush

 

And Michigan was a bit more controversial since BO wasn't on the ballot.. thank God that election is in the past

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:05 PM

19. I was disappointed at all.

I supported President Obama (couldn't vote in the primary/election due to age), but I wasn't mad that Hillary was still in the race. Her actions didn't bother me as much as Sanders are now.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:31 PM

24. I was an Obama supporter, but I was trying to heal some wounds.

I don't remember the exact date, but I teamed up with a few other Obama people and tried to mend some fences with folks. But it was nowhere near as insane then as it is now.

There are quite a few people here I used to respect that I will have a hard time trusting ever again, even if they calm down, tbh.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #24)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:49 PM

29. I haven't seen any BS supporters have the balls to tell the extremists to pipe down

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:49 PM

30. I was undecided between the two and just did not caucus

 

I felt like the folks who had a serious committment to the candidates should fight it out. She said some stuff that pissed me off, I was going to vote for her. Then he pissed me off so I couldn't decide. I get pissed off easily. But I was happy to vote AGAINST my governor being VP.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:56 PM

32. I supported Obama so I was fine

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:10 PM

35. Not pissed at all. I had a choice between TWO History-Making Democrats!

It doesn't get better, in my mind.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:11 PM

36. I was more sad as I had campaigned for

Hillary in my state. But I was so proud of her when she put all aside and nominated Obama (still sad). Then I canvassed for him in the fall.


Seems so long ago. So much has happened and changed in the US and the world.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:19 PM

39. I wasn't pissed at all

I didn't vote in the primary I honestly couldn't decide between them because I liked them both, so I was fine with whoever won. And I was so excited about Obama in the months before November, and thrilled after the election.

Maybe I don't remember because I didn't pay nearly this much attention to the 2008 primary, for the above reasons, but I don't remember this much nastiness. I know everyone says it was awful! But the way Hillary really rallied behind Obama once he won the nomination is something I just can't see Sanders doing.

Speaking of '08 can you imagine if Hillary had gone around Obama and tried to set a debate up between her and McCain? She would have been CRUCIFIED. I'm really angry at what BS has done even if there ends up being no debate, the optics of what he's done is HORRIBLE.

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Response to sarae (Reply #39)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:47 PM

43. Apparently behind the scenes

 

He is assuring the DNC he is going to endorse Hillary, and all this stupidity of his is him trying to gain more leverage in the negotiations over the platform. He knows bc of his age this is his last hurrah so he's trying to do as much as possible to get any leverage. Honestly it is ruining his image.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #43)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:47 PM

47. I keep hearing that he's saying that stuff behind the scenes

but then he publicly makes these disrespectful gestures. I don't know what to believe. Either way, it certainly doesn't publicly promote party unity, so I'm not sure what he's trying to do...

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Response to sarae (Reply #47)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:21 PM

50. You ever seen an old lady go off

 

on the manager of Safeway because the deli sliced her turkey too thick? Yeah it's one of those kind of deals

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Response to realmirage (Reply #50)

Thu May 26, 2016, 10:18 PM

52. LOL

In other words, he's petty as f'k because it's all trivial BS.

SO TRUE.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 07:23 PM

40. The only one I was annoyed by was Hillary, LOL.

For not getting out of the race when it became clear she was not going to win, and for some of the things she had said. I was a huge Obama fan. But Hillary won me over at the convention, and this time around I started supporting her fairly early on (after an initial start of being neutral). And now I'm far more annoyed at Bernie for not getting out or at least toning things down - this time around the winner is far clearer, and his aggression in his attacks on her is far worse than anything she ever did. And I'm skeptical about his ability to be gracious in defeat like Hillary was back then.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:42 PM

46. I was pissed

I was a Hillary supporter on 2008 and was pissed at the way things went down. I got over it. What I never could understand were Hillary supporters who became pissed at Hillary when she agreed to serve as SOS. And stayed pissed as if she had betrayed some secret handshake or sold her soul to the enemy.

That being said, I believed then as I believe now that she'll make an outstanding President. She's proven her loyalty to the Democratic cause and worked tirelessly for President Obama. I'm betting her first 100 days will be historic in scale. She's had a long time to think and plan her vision for the country's renewal. Can't wait until she's able to start initiating. And when I get to say, "Thank you, Madame President."

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 08:56 PM

48. Another one disappointed, not pissed

I strongly supported Hillary in that primary. But I always said that I would vote for Obama in a heartbeat if he won the nomination, and I did. Hillary's concession speech and behavior at the convention went a long way towards moving the more stubborn to vote for Obama. Plus, between Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin there was no contest.

Note: I love Obama now! I never hated him, but I think he's been a great president.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:00 PM

49. I loved them both but voted for Obama

Half my family went for Hillary this time we are all with her in Cali, and my friend voted first time in the primary for her today by mail

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:25 PM

51. I was sad.

Not pissed at all.

I was ready to get behind Obama.

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