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Elizabeth Warren declared heretic by the Faith Militant (Original Post) geek tragedy Jun 2016 OP
Very important people having very important opinions Her Sister Jun 2016 #1
lol! Cha Jun 2016 #3
It's also the old enemy. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #13
"Plus, anarchism tends to abhor unity." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #16
They need to feel morally superior to everyone around them. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #19
Agreed. The irony of it all is that they sold out their principles in the quest for that superiority TwilightZone Jun 2016 #20
"Funny how some of them now see Elizabeth Warren and other Democrats and progressives as the Cha Jun 2016 #21
I rec this post, Her Sister! brer cat Jun 2016 #22
I rec this post mercuryblues Jun 2016 #48
I can't understand their logic.. only that it seems twisted. Cha Jun 2016 #2
Logic is rigged on in favor of people who do math nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5
I think it is clear Senator Warren rejected 'the holy cause.' yallerdawg Jun 2016 #4
I hope she asks for a Trial by Combat bravenak Jun 2016 #6
After she tore Trump apart who would fight her? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #9
Maybe Harry Reed can fight Mitch McConnell bravenak Jun 2016 #11
I LOVE the GoT reference! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #7
The usual suspects TwilightZone Jun 2016 #8
They even went after Skinner. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10
They've been going after Skinner about as long as this primary season has been in progress TwilightZone Jun 2016 #12
They can't stack juries against him. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14
Some of them will be in denial even then. It'll be more of the "it's not over!!!" nonsense. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #17
Narcissists are drawn to political fanaticism and extremism geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18
I've been here 12 years and never had a hide til the last six months redstateblues Jun 2016 #26
They're acting like this is Runnymede and Skinner is King John. displacedtexan Jun 2016 #29
How dare she try to unite her party! sarae Jun 2016 #15
If we Democrats can't get the votes from Bernie followers, then we will have to get them elsewhere. Walk away Jun 2016 #23
I think half the butthurt babies will come around anyway. sarae Jun 2016 #24
The leftie dead enders are the same as they ever were. But they do not BootinUp Jun 2016 #25
Of course they will. I think this week was a game changer. Walk away Jun 2016 #28
So now if Elizabeth Warren is critical of Trump, that is a progressive betrayal still_one Jun 2016 #27
Pretty soon they will be holed up in bunkers in the darkest corners of the internet... Walk away Jun 2016 #30
The irony of it all is that had Warren run justiceischeap Jun 2016 #31
No, they wouldn't. KitSileya Jun 2016 #32
Thank you shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #49
+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #54
Just who is Faith Militant? Sounds like a made up name WhiteTara Jun 2016 #33
On Game of Thrones they're an aggressive group geek tragedy Jun 2016 #36
OMG They're taking talking points WhiteTara Jun 2016 #37
SHAME SHAME SHAME obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #38
Sorry the quote is lost on me WhiteTara Jun 2016 #44
I find both the intolerance of other (mostly compatible) viewpoints, and the seeming lack Lucinda Jun 2016 #34
Agreed, though I have often wondered how much of it is real and how much is intentional. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #39
Yes. I've thought the same. Some of the long time DU'ers though really seem to Lucinda Jun 2016 #42
SHAME SHAME SHAME obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #35
She failed to worship at the alter of the "revolution". workinclasszero Jun 2016 #40
You think this is a meltdown, wait til Sanders endorses Hillary realmirage Jun 2016 #41
Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #43
I'm skeptical that will happen nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #47
I think he knows it hurts him more if he doesn't realmirage Jun 2016 #50
I bet it doesn't. Cha Jun 2016 #55
Under the bus with her Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2016 #45
Better save room under that bus NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #46
Not familiar with the Faith Militant, but reminds me of the Tetragrammaton Clerics BootinUp Jun 2016 #51
She probably could have swung MA to Bernie had she endorsed months ago bluestateguy Jun 2016 #52
I guess it was only a matter of time. MirrorAshes Jun 2016 #53

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
13. It's also the old enemy.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:59 AM
Jun 2016

They never had any interest in unity. It's pretty difficult to unify the party when one candidate and many of his supporters are trying to kill it off.

Plus, anarchism tends to abhor unity.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. They need to feel morally superior to everyone around them.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jun 2016

So they prove their moral and intellectual greatness by promoting stories from Breitbart and pimping Judicial Watch.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
20. Agreed. The irony of it all is that they sold out their principles in the quest for that superiority
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:16 AM
Jun 2016

It takes a monumental amount of intentional ignorance to not see Judicial Watch for who they really are. Or Breitbart or FACT or National Review or the Blaze or Fox News or any of the others. "We" used to have a clear picture of their intent. Some of us still do.

Funny how some of them now see Elizabeth Warren and other Democrats and progressives as the sellouts, while they've sold out to Judicial Watch and Fox News.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
21. "Funny how some of them now see Elizabeth Warren and other Democrats and progressives as the
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jun 2016
sellouts, while they've sold out to Judicial Watch and Fox News."

Grand point. They.. have no business even bringing up.. "sellouts".

Cha

(295,926 posts)
2. I can't understand their logic.. only that it seems twisted.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jun 2016

sanders has lost and Elizabeth is going after DT.. the scourge on America... what could be more logical?

geek

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. I think it is clear Senator Warren rejected 'the holy cause.'
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:48 AM
Jun 2016

Like most of the leadership of the Democratic Party, she remained above the fray while the voters determined the outcome.

She is in a unique position to bring together a campaign that is hurting for a progressive populist fire!

Only Elizabeth Warren can catch that fire!

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
12. They've been going after Skinner about as long as this primary season has been in progress
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jun 2016

They haven't quite figured out that they can't bully him off the site, because he *is* the site.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
17. Some of them will be in denial even then. It'll be more of the "it's not over!!!" nonsense.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jun 2016

The real test will be when/if Sanders drops out and endorses Hillary, especially if it's soon after June 7th.

For some of them, it's never been about Sanders; it's been about their own egos. Those few will toss him under the bus with everyone else.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
26. I've been here 12 years and never had a hide til the last six months
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

This last stretch will be brutal no doubt as the truth comes crashing in on the remaining devotees

displacedtexan

(15,695 posts)
29. They're acting like this is Runnymede and Skinner is King John.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jun 2016

Speaking truth to power is a good thing, but they're not speaking truth. And they're willing to give all of our power to the GOP.

Just plain wrong. On all counts.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
23. If we Democrats can't get the votes from Bernie followers, then we will have to get them elsewhere.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

Then Bernie can take his Socialism and percentage of voters who will never vote for Hillary, and go home.

It looks like we may not really need them.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
24. I think half the butthurt babies will come around anyway.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

The other half...like you said...who needs 'em?

BootinUp

(46,928 posts)
25. The leftie dead enders are the same as they ever were. But they do not
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jun 2016

represent the vast majority of Bernie supporters. The majority will be fine with Hillary as the nominee once the primary has passed.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
28. Of course they will. I think this week was a game changer.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

Everyone now knows that Hillary is the one to beat Trump. Every Liberal, even Sanders' Followers, want to start fighting Trump and they can't while they are stuck propping up Bernie who has already lost.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
27. So now if Elizabeth Warren is critical of Trump, that is a progressive betrayal
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

because she hasn't endorsed Sanders as the Democratic nominee.

This is a pattern of intolerance that has been demonstrated throughout the campaign. When Planned Parenthood, NARAL, Al Franken, John Lewis, Jerry Brown, and anyone or group came out and endorsed Hillary, they were thrown under that proverbial bus.

If they want to know why they are losing, all they need to do is look in the mirror

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
31. The irony of it all is that had Warren run
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

they all would be supporting her right now and throwing Sanders under the bus if he showed any kind of support towards the Democratic Party--a party that he obviously abhors but takes their support hand over fist.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
32. No, they wouldn't.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jun 2016

Let's face it, if Elizabeth Warren had run, many of them wouldn't have been able to overcome their misogyny to support her, and especially not when she actually presented her strategies to achieve her plans. She wouldn't be pure enough for them, because those strategies would involve compromise. Only Bernie Sanders, who doesn't have any plans at all on how to achieve what he says he will is pure enough - precisely because he has no plans. They aren't interested in achieving anything - they are interested in being part of the selected elite.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
33. Just who is Faith Militant? Sounds like a made up name
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jun 2016

to me. Why should I want to read her blog in paste magazine? It's an entertainment magazine. I guess she should stick to writing about music Here's what Wikipedia has to say

Paste is a monthly music and entertainment digital magazine published in the United States by Wolfgang's Vault. Its tagline is "Signs of Life in Music, Film and ...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
36. On Game of Thrones they're an aggressive group
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jun 2016

of religious fanatics who impose a strict code of morality on everyone else.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
37. OMG They're taking talking points
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jun 2016

from a made up group on a teevee show? That is rich and stupid. We have definitely gone into never never land.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
34. I find both the intolerance of other (mostly compatible) viewpoints, and the seeming lack
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

of understanding that we live in a society with a representative government, just stunning to see on a political message board. I've been here a long time now, yet it still shocks me.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
39. Agreed, though I have often wondered how much of it is real and how much is intentional.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

Many of them are political neophytes, no doubt, but the continued insistence in denying even the most basic aspects of reality often seems to be an act.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
42. Yes. I've thought the same. Some of the long time DU'ers though really seem to
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

have lost the plot, and they should really know better. Makes me sad.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
41. You think this is a meltdown, wait til Sanders endorses Hillary
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

Jane and Bernie have repeatedly said they will, so the endorsement is coming.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
43. Agreed.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

If everyone else who supports Hillary is a sell-out, it would be hypocritical not to include Sanders when he does the same.

We get to find out how big the bus is.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
50. I think he knows it hurts him more if he doesn't
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

His goal, unless he's a moron, isn't to destroy the Democratic Party, but to change it. If he doesn't endorse Hillary people will say he was never a democrat, was just lying all along, and it makes him less relevant as he'll be seen once again as one of those people in a smaller party like Nader that can never win. I think his strategy now is to leave as much of a mark on the dem party as possible by pulling it further left (except on guns) and this will be his legacy. That's how I think he sees it, and people behind the scenes have been confirming this for the most part.

Now if he is dumb, he'll hit the nuke button by refusing to endorse, split the party and help Republicans win in the process. But considering he realized during Kerry's run the folly of voting for Nader and told people not to vote for Nader, I think he's not dumb and his strategy since NY hasn't been to win, but to impact the party in a lasting way by reminding it to continue moving the center further left. And THAT has been the Hillary argument all along - move further left but in a quieter, effective, but less drastic way (and with a well thought out plan that can actually pass through congress) as that's the only way possible in America. You don't dictate to the millions of righties and centrists. You work with them to get what you want over time. Hell it took 55 years after black people got the right to vote to give women the right. Like it or not, that's America.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
46. Better save room under that bus
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jun 2016

for Bernie. Unless he's been lying all along, he will end up endorsing Hillary. Grudgingly, maybe but he will endorse and under the bus he goes!

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
52. She probably could have swung MA to Bernie had she endorsed months ago
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

But, she didn't.

She is more to the left than Hillary, but she also believes in getting things done.

MirrorAshes

(1,262 posts)
53. I guess it was only a matter of time.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

They are going to be very lonely in that pure pristine corner of irrelevancy they've made for themselves.

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