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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:59 AM Jun 2016

Warren Is Top V.P. Pick for Clinton Supporters, Gingrich for Trump

From: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-15/national-poll-part-2-vps

More than a third of likely voters backing Democrat Hillary Clinton in the latest Bloomberg Politics national poll say she should pick Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, a darling of the party’s liberal wing, as her running mate.

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Warren received support from 35 percent of Clinton’s supporters in the poll. Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey and U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro are the only two other Democratic names to break into double-digits among six tested.

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Men and women look at the question differently, and not in a way that might be expected, the poll shows. A majority of men, 55 percent, say the nation is ready to elect two women to the nation’s top jobs. It’s women who are skeptical, with a majority of 59 percent saying that the nation isn’t ready.



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Warren Is Top V.P. Pick for Clinton Supporters, Gingrich for Trump (Original Post) yallerdawg Jun 2016 OP
No Xavier Becerra? And, I like Julian Castro, too. Mahalo yallerdawg! Cha Jun 2016 #1
"Celebrity" and national recognition seems to be playing well with the electorate. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #5
We'll have to agree to disagree @ this point in time(things could change).. Cha Jun 2016 #6
Well, the polling does point out women are more skeptical than men. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #8
Vive La Différence! Mais Oui! Cha Jun 2016 #10
Warren would be a great choice... book_worm Jun 2016 #2
Hillary's big challenge are white men, especially those without college. Walk away Jun 2016 #3
The Republican nominee has assured us victory in November! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #11
Unifying who? Elizabeth Warren doesn't hit any Demographic that we don't already have. Walk away Jun 2016 #16
What message and policies would Hillary have to have... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #19
Not this Clinton supporter, at least. Her primary neutrality was cowardice. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #4
All national Democratic figures waited until primary settled. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #7
No, Warren was quite famously the only woman in the Senate not to endorse Clinton. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #13
It's interesting that men are more accepting than women about the idea of electing two women. Koinos Jun 2016 #9
It's not a matter of being less accepting of the idea. athena Jun 2016 #20
Not sure how accurate the Bloomberg poll is about that discrepancy between men's and women's views. Koinos Jun 2016 #22
Looks like another useless poll trying to frame a narrative - that narrative being, push for an all- BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #12
55% of men say we are ready for two women on ticket. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #14
I don't believe in polls. Currently, there's one running on HuffPo that claims that most voters BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #18
I agree with you completely. athena Jun 2016 #21
That would be great for Gingrich as VP. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #15
Yeah, lots of baggage. Plus not as sharp these days. Example BootinUp Jun 2016 #17
They would lock up the divorce lawyer voting bloc! spooky3 Jun 2016 #23

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. "Celebrity" and national recognition seems to be playing well with the electorate.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jun 2016

At least for me, no one on that list but Elizabeth Warren brings a sense of excitement and pizzazz!

Franken could, any of the others could be strategic and "lords in waiting," but Warren brings the juice!

What a ticket that would be!

Cha

(297,150 posts)
6. We'll have to agree to disagree @ this point in time(things could change)..
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jun 2016

I think the Senate needs Elizabeth.. and Mass has a repub Gov now.

I think the Hispanic leaders would generate excitement.. at least with me.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. Well, the polling does point out women are more skeptical than men.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

And you know what I say to that, Cha?

Vive La Différence!


book_worm

(15,951 posts)
2. Warren would be a great choice...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jun 2016

I never thought she would be open to VP--but she seems to be willing to be vetted. I think HRC will come up with a good choice no matter who it is. We have a wealth of talent in our party. Meanwhile--Trump has half his party eliminating themselves by saying they don't know if they can vote for him and the other half like Gingrich are deeply flawed. One thing for sure if he selects Newt he can't go around attacking Bill's personal problems.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
3. Hillary's big challenge are white men, especially those without college.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jun 2016

Trump is not going to win the "Millennial" voters. Women and POC are a lock. I like Tim Kaine. He speaks fluent Spanish (Castro doesn't) and he can deliver his swing state.

Elizabeth Warren isn't a gain at all. It's not even a gain for her as she has much more power in the Senate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2013/06/11/tim-kaine-gives-speech-in-spanish-to-voice-support-for-immigration-reform/

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. The Republican nominee has assured us victory in November!
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

This choice will be about Hillary's vision and unity of the Party and America!

Elizabeth Warren would be the boldest, most aggressive, most unifying choice possible!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
16. Unifying who? Elizabeth Warren doesn't hit any Demographic that we don't already have.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie Diehards would just consider her a traitor and the rest of the youth vote will go to Hillary anyway. Look at the polls. It's about the White Working Class Voter!!!

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
19. What message and policies would Hillary have to have...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

to attract the "white male working class" voter?

This is the bedrock of the Republican base! This is all they have left, and it isn't enough anymore!

Bernie didn't win them over. Obama never won them.

Hillary has all the demographics she needs, and if the M$M now turns against Trump - as they appear to be - it's over.

Elizabeth Warren is our 'progressive' rock star! If she were unleashed as the voice of our Democratic economic policies regarding Wall Street and income inequality - with a national bully pulpit! - WOW!

With this choice, Hillary could cement her commitment and trust on these issues that have dogged her in this campaign. If Elizabeth signed on, what a message - both ways!

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
4. Not this Clinton supporter, at least. Her primary neutrality was cowardice.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jun 2016

All the Trump tweets in the world will not change the fact that she had the opportunity to stand up to the bullies behind Bernie and chose not to.

Sorry, that's just how I feel. She seems like someone hopping on a bandwagon at the last minute to me.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. All national Democratic figures waited until primary settled.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jun 2016

Warren staying on the sidelines, either as a candidate or a Bernie supporter, did Hillary a wealth of good!

If an unknown democratic socialist could give our nominee a run - and an unknown first-term senator could beat our nominee - I, for one, am so glad we have Warren's endorsement and entrance into the battle NOW!

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
13. No, Warren was quite famously the only woman in the Senate not to endorse Clinton.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

And as a Senator, she's not exactly a "national Democrat" either. Yes, she has a higher profile than most, but she's not in any position or office that lends her that excuse. President? VP? Sure, those deferrals make sense. Warren clearly didn't want to risk her "status" among the left, and for that, I refuse to applaud her in retrospect or entertain the idea that such calculation should result in her being put on a ticket that she couldn't endorse until her endorsement didn't matter any more.

Maybe if she'd endorsed ahead of MA, it wouldn't have been such a close margin, and the narrative afterwards would have been different. Warren may have "kept her powder dry" but the musket of her influence rotted away into uselessness while she did, IMO.

I'm of the firm belief that bullies must be exposed and confronted, and it's not hard to see the bullying behavior of some Sanders supporters. That Warren chose non-confrontation with those bullies just doesn't sit well with me. Especially not when she already had a solid angle to work with. "You say you support me? Well, listen then to why I support HRC." It would have been that simple.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
9. It's interesting that men are more accepting than women about the idea of electing two women.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jun 2016

I am a man, and I really like the idea. The other potential picks don't work as well for me. It's not a gender issue for me as much as I believe that Warren is the strongest pick on the list.

But it's Hillary's decision, and I trust her to know what is best.

athena

(4,187 posts)
20. It's not a matter of being less accepting of the idea.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

It's a matter of having experienced sexism enough in one's own life to be skeptical that a majority of the country would be willing to vote for two women to lead the country. I seem to recall that many Black people also had similar misgivings about Obama's candidacy in its early days.

But people just love sexist stereotypes. It can't be that women have completely rational and reasonable concerns about things. It must be that women just hate other women.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
22. Not sure how accurate the Bloomberg poll is about that discrepancy between men's and women's views.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

But I believe Clinton/Warren would be a strong ticket. I think it would bring the party together. Bernie hasn't shown he is willing or able to do that. He is yesterday's story.

I do believe who is on the ticket is more important than gender. For example, I don't see Castro as one who is ready to be president. I think a VP has to be ready to assume office if he or she has to from the very beginning. Joe Biden definitely fit that profile. He also ended up being Obama's closest advisor and friend. He did not simply fill a ceremonial role.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
12. Looks like another useless poll trying to frame a narrative - that narrative being, push for an all-
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

woman ticket that will be a huge challenge for the Democratic Party among our male-centric U.S. electorate; deliver a Dem senate seat to the Republicans (Republican governor in Massachusetts); and gain no traction, create no excitement with the most important and fastest growing demographic in our country.

Lose/Lose.

Julian Castro is still my choice. He's young, charismatic, an excellent public speaker, and gives off that Obama-vibe. And for those who believe he doesn't speak Spanish fluently, that might've been the case in 2010, but since then he's been learning Spanish and six years of that tells me he's pretty fluent now if you consider that Mormon missionaries have to learn a foreign language in three months and do.

But can you imagine the excitement a Clinton/Castro ticket would generate among Latinos? Especially Latinos in Texas?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
14. 55% of men say we are ready for two women on ticket.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

59% of women say we are not.

There appears to be a gender-issue, but not the one you suggest.

But that's all right! Castro is a nice, safe, strategic choice. Kind of iffy on experience to be president, but VP would give him experience. Over eight years!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
18. I don't believe in polls. Currently, there's one running on HuffPo that claims that most voters
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jun 2016
don't really care that President Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton! Uh-huh. Yeah, right. Most voters don't really care that President Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton? I find that very hard to believe.

And who have they been polling to come to that fallacy? Disgruntled BS followers and Trumpsters with a handful of Hillary supporters tossed in as an afterthought?

You're right about Castro being a "nice, safe, {and} strategic choice". He is all those things, and as for experience, well, he's been working hard on creating strong bonds with congressional Democrats these past few years and, to be honest, no matter how much experience a politician has, they'll never be experienced enough to be a president or vice president - with Hillary being an exception since, well, her husband was president and she was there right beside him.

The two top positions in our executive branch normally require on the job training. But thanks to having been FLOTUS for eight years, Hillary Clinton has more than enough experience for two while Julian Castro has proven to be a quick learner. So that "lack" of experience on his side doesn't bother me. I'm more interested in knowing what he can bring to the ticket - Texas, perhaps, and LOTS of newly registered Latinos who'll get excited about the prospect of one of their own being this close to the presidency. At this point, it's all about the votes.

athena

(4,187 posts)
21. I agree with you completely.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

Your post expresses my concerns exactly. I would add that Senator Warren has more power and visibility in the Senate than she would in the position of VP.

Julian Castro would be a very exciting and energizing choice.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
17. Yeah, lots of baggage. Plus not as sharp these days. Example
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jun 2016

suggesting a new House Unamerican Committee.

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