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auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:37 PM Jul 2016

10 common objections to Hillary Clinton - and how to counter them (HILLARY GROUP)

CROSS-POST FROM GD:2016. I'll start out by saying that the arguments I'm about to make are not for use with people who simply believe Hillary is a liar, untrustworthy, or Satan. These arguments are for people who have an incomplete or misinformed understanding of her policies and might be swayed by a more thorough and accurate understanding.

(Some of this was copied and modified from an in-thread post I made yesterday. Please do feel free to add common objections and your counter-arguments.)

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1. Fracking: Hillary is not in FAVOR of fracking. If the choices are foreign oil, coal, and fracking AT THE MOMENT, she chooses fracking as the least damaging option - as a stop-gap solution to keep people heating their homes and getting to work. She also has environmental limits on where fracking should be pursued. At the same time, she has a comprehensive plan to build a renewable energy infrastructure and create thousands of jobs in the process: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

2. Foreign policy/"warmongering": Hillary enacted President Obama's policies as SOS. She has promised to use diplomacy up and until it is no longer a viable approach. Whether you believe her comes down to character, but in terms of her stated positions, she is no warmonger. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

3. Opposition to Glass-Steagall: Hillary has a comprehensive plan to eliminate the banks' ability to take dangerous risks and weaken the economy. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/

4. Super PACs: Hillary is in favour of comprehensive campaign finance reform. We need a majority in Congress to get this passed (not to mention a Democratic president to appoint SC judges who will overturn Citizens United - which Hillary has promised is a litmus test for her when choosing candidates) - and I am extremely opposed to our Democratic candidates playing a game of chicken and being the first to stop taking big money BEFORE everyone else has to stop too. We need to get into office before we can make these changes. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

5. Speeches to Wall Street: Hillary was a private citizen, many former politicians make speeches for big money (in addition to loads of other kinds of celebrities), and there has never been any proof of quid pro quo. Also, the speeches to big banks/Wall Street were only a small portion of the total number and dollar amount of speeches she gave.

6. Opposition to healthcare for all: Hillary supports expanding and improving the ACA. Removing it entirely and hoping to get something even more left-wing passed is not reasonable in our political climate. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

7. Opposition to free tuition: Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

8. Iraq war vote: Hillary has apologised for her vote without qualification. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-mistake-iowa-118109 She was lied to, but she says plainly that she got it wrong. It comes down to whether someone can be forgiven for getting something that monumental wrong. For me, I can forgive a mistake like that, because lots of other intelligent, thoughtful people made the same mistake, fell for the same lies, and GWB absolutely DID abuse the limited authority given to him by that vote. The mess in Iraq can be laid at the feet of GWB. But everyone needs to take responsibility for their part in it, and I believe Hillary has.

9. Protecting social security: Hillary has promised to oppose any attempts to privatise or weaken SS or Medicare. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

10. Minimum wage: Hillary is in favor of a $12 an hour federal minimum wage, and state and local efforts to raise in to $15 when appropriate. This is a compromise approach that won't cripple small businesses in less-wealthy areas while still supporting big cities to pay their workers a living wage. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/labor/

Hillary also has comprehensive progressive policies regarding:

Addiction/substance abuse https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/addiction/
Disability rights: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/disability-rights/
Immigration reform: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
Paid family and medical leave: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/paid-leave/

among many others, on her website. I encourage you to read it - the plans are really well thought-out, paid for, and realistic in our political climate.

I hope this is helpful, and please add your own thoughts.

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10 common objections to Hillary Clinton - and how to counter them (HILLARY GROUP) (Original Post) auntpurl Jul 2016 OP
k & r and a question. LAS14 Jul 2016 #1
I live in the UK. I'm American, and will be voting for Hillary in my home state of PA. auntpurl Jul 2016 #3
A very awesome reference point! Thanks, auntpurl! nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #2
Thank you! auntpurl Jul 2016 #4
Very great & helpful compilation! Her Sister Jul 2016 #5
Glad it's useful! auntpurl Jul 2016 #6
Mahalo, auntpurl~ Cha Jul 2016 #7
You are welcome! auntpurl Jul 2016 #8
.. Cha Jul 2016 #9
Super useful! Thanks! LisaM Jul 2016 #10
You're very welcome! auntpurl Jul 2016 #11
My thought is, I'm probably going to steal this. eom fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #12
Thank you! You did a great job defending those ideas, too, I might add. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #13
Excellent! ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #14
K&R! Haveadream Jul 2016 #15
What saddens me is how personal people are taking their dislike for Hillary demilib Jul 2016 #16
This is very helpful ladym55 Jul 2016 #17
Kicking this back up... LisaM Jul 2016 #18

LAS14

(13,781 posts)
1. k & r and a question.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

Just curious. What's with the Union Jack? Sentimental? Non-voting Hillary fan?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
3. I live in the UK. I'm American, and will be voting for Hillary in my home state of PA.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jul 2016

I've been a strong Hillary supporter throughout the primary season, and in 08 as well.

Also, I prefer when people use specific icons so I can recognise them, rather than the generic Hillary/Bernie/whatever icons. Just my personal preference, no disparagement of people who choose differently!

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
10. Super useful! Thanks!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jul 2016

I have a friend who is discouragingly anti-Hillary and I'm afraid to even ask why, but this might come in helpful if he ever says what his reasons are.

I wonder if this could get pinned to the top?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
11. You're very welcome!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jul 2016

I was rather surprised that many fervently anti-Hillary people don't seem to know what her actual positions are (and as in your experience, find it difficult to articulate why they hold their dislike for her).

I'm glad it's useful, and if the mods of this group want to pin it, I'd be honored.

demilib

(100 posts)
16. What saddens me is how personal people are taking their dislike for Hillary
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

Like she has done something to personally hurt them.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
17. This is very helpful
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jul 2016

I'm studying up on all these things because I hear from both my conservative and liberal friends how "awful" Hillary is. I am hoping that being armed with some reality I will be able to make a dent.

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