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Related: About this forumAnybody else getting Berned out?
In spite of the fact that Bernie is unelectable, I do like and respect Bernie but his supporters and their victim mentality are wearing me out. This site has become hard to hang with. I'm sure most of the BSers would happily call this place SU. It's going to be a dark day on this site when Bernie doesn't get the nomination. Hopefully there won't be too many Naderites that won't vote for the Democratic nominee.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Yeah, I'm afraid how some people are going to take it. Which ever Dem wins, I will support. But I think it's been obvious from the start that Bernie isn't the one. Well to me anyway. Oh well.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)enid602
(8,524 posts)They're recycling old unproved scadals today, now that egazi/bgazi has failed. Crash & Bern!
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I also like Sanders and wish him well. I do not believe that Sanders is viable in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate will be spending another billion dollars
NJCher
(35,425 posts)What if Trump is the nominee? Will the Koches then be spending another $887 million? I think not.
Trump was supposed to crash and burn a long time ago. He's still going strong and the only thing different is that Carson is coming up close on him. Meanwhile, Jeb Bush has slashed the salaries of his campaign execs. So it may very well be that the republican nominee is someone so far out of the mainstream that traditional republican techniques will not be able to be employed.
Without traditional republican techniques of sliming, books by such sleazebags as Jerome Corsi, and all the rest of their time-honored tricks, the republicans could be in a bit of quandary. What do they do?
Now, given this situation, if Hillary is the Democratic choice, she becomes the consummate corporate candidate. She's the establishment. So we are then in the position of having an erratic, completely uncontrollable republican running against someone who is quite happy to take big corporation donations. The Democrats then become the conventional and the republicans are the unconventional.
It seems quite apparent, with the support for Trump and Carter and the support for Bernie, that the voters are pretty sick of establishment politics.
As crazy as Trump is, when the selection is winnowed down, he may attract a sizable group of independents, especially if the Democratic candidate is a proven corporate supporter.
Now, I am well aware that Clinton enjoys a sizable lead over Bernie. But what also has to be taken into consideration is the trend of what happens when Bernie goes into a state where Clinton has a sizable lead. He whittles it down quite nicely. So in other words, the trend is that, state-by-state, voters hear Bernie's message and respond to it.
It appears that some people think that is only going to happen in a few states and that's the end of that. Well, I don't think that's the case.
All I'm really saying here is that I see trends, and these trends aren't changing. Everyone thinks they will. Trump can't possibly stay in the race. Well, yes, he can. Bernie can't possibly keep up his track record. Well, yes, he can.
What I'd like to know is just what is going to change this situation? Why will these trends stop? What will cause an abrupt turnaround and cause the respective nominations to be somebody like Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton? Why would that happen??
Cher
Cha
(295,903 posts)Hillary.. who is not the big "corporate" candidate that so many are repeating ad nauseam.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)First, if you think Trump will be the nominee, then you can make some money in the betting markets. Trump is being given basically the same odds as Sanders of becoming POTUS, l.e., 7% for Sanders and 6% for Trump http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016president I would not base my support on a candidate on the hope that Trump will be the GOP nominee. The GOP donor class will get an establishment candidate which currently looks like it will be Rubio who will have the full backing of Adelson and the Koch brothers.
Second, even Trump will have support of one or more super pacs and will be able to outspend Sanders http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/corey-lewandowski-trump-pac-washington-post The GOP will support the nominee and that nominee will be able to outspend Sanders by a wide margin.
I would not place my support on a candidate based on the hope that a long shot GOP type will be the nominee. I think that Trump and every other GOP candidate will have a major finanical advantage over Sanders that would cause Sanders not to be viable. Trump has even longer odds than Sanders of being the nominee based on current prediction and betting market.
I like Sanders and according to the online quiz, Sanders is closer to my positions than Hillary Clinton. However, I live in the real world and I do not believe that Sanders is viable in a general election
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bernie is a non factor. And I'm not saying he going to win those two states either.
He is a regional candidate with no national appeal. He does not appeal to the base voters of the democratic party. The Bernie backers keep acting like one day American is going to fall at the feet of Bernie and they have all the time in the world.
In reality, in a few months from now Hillary will swamp his cute little ivory tower/upper middle class campaign with the great lions share of delegates and this stupid Get Hillary game will be over.
Other than that I have no strong feelings on the subject
murielm99
(30,656 posts)when he loses.
Don't expect them to be gracious losers. The ones who are trolls will find new ways to sabotage the site.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Then the owners of the site will have to enforce their own TOS or I'll quit this place for good.
I sure as hell ain't gonna help some 3th party hand the white house over to that insane demogoue Trump, Cruz w/e.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)Until after the primaries, I won't be giving any money until they clean it up.
I always liked buying valentine hearts. I won't be doing that this year.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)for sure that your money is going to help the democratic party and it's candidates.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)I won't help with that until I know it is worth it.
Will they live up to the TOS and be a DEMOCRATIC site? Time will tell.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Who the democratic nominee will be.
It will be real interesting to see what happens here on March 2nd, if anything.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts).....ok.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)I don't go post stuff in your protected room. Go away.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)don't expect you wont get a few people not noticing. Walks out of your....room.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)I sure hope not.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)Cha
(295,903 posts)board to pile on.
Cha
(295,903 posts)statement like that. I wouldn't dream of it. that's your Group. Respect ours.
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murielm99
(30,656 posts)Go post snark in all the other places you have overrun on DU.
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)The name calling and insults by some Sanders supporters has gotten so over the top it has become self parody.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Cha
(295,903 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)By mid-Febuary he was done.
And his people on DU did not take it well..
To be fair, though, after a month or two of venting, they all came back for John Kerry.
Cha
(295,903 posts)appreciating him even more since he became President Obama's SOS.
Just like I came to like Hillary at the Dem Convention and when Obama chose her for SOS I rooted for her and the President.
Still am.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and I quickly supported John Kerry because I understand that as a devout Democrat, Democratic candidates aren't the enemy. The Republican Party and their puppet, is.
Baadger
(56 posts)With so many devistated but still passionate Bernie supporters there will be an enourmous "draft Bernie to run independantly" campaign... and he will win because of people power.
He is the only cantidate attracting massive crowds. He does not need to buy facebook or twitter followers like Hillary does. His fans are fanatical.
The dems should be very wary of picking Hillary. If they do they may well find that they do not control the white house in 2017
Gloria
(17,663 posts)Crowd sizes don't decide these things.
Cha
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72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,132 posts)be president.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Bernie's supporters are almost a mirror reflection of the way Palin supporters behaved, congregated, donated and adulated!
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Do you even understand the Group concept? You have plenty of places to post pro-Bernie/anti-Hillary stuff, including, I presume, the protected Bernie Sanders Group the GD/Primaries board, GD, etc. etc. You're not going to convince anyone here.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Boomer
(4,159 posts)DU goes through these contortions every four years, like clockwork. Factions form, tempers run high, posters storm away wailing about how DU is being ruined by X, Y, Z supporters.
I don't pay much attention to any of it any more. I know who I'm supporting, I know why, and I don't feel that my particular opinion somehow welds me to other people who are also voting for my candidate of choice. We're individuals, not a monolithic block of Borg. I also don't take umbrage at comments from "the other side," because that too is just a bunch of individuals who happen to support a candidate I do not like.
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Cha
(295,903 posts)And pathetic.. with supporters like this.. BS doesn't need any enemies.
FloridaBlues
(3,993 posts)So he will be always be stuck in the 20's nationally.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)don't understand why Democrats aren't "feeling the Bern", which makes them very, very angry.
I'm a Democrat first and foremost. I will not vote for a non-Democrat vying for the Democratic nomination in the primaries. However, I believe in democracy, and if the majority votes for Sanders as our Democratic nominee, I will support and vote for him, too. But not now. Not in the primaries. Hillary Clinton is a true-blue Democrat and she has our support and vote.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Cha
(295,903 posts)talk about your candidate.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)The pundits are getting there...
Berned Out: Sanders Bad Night in Vegas
Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)The thought of Bernie receiving the Democratic nomination is laughable. Can you even imagine Bernie running in the GE? Imagine the commercials. It would be an embarrassment to the party that would set us back for years to come. Kucinich would have had a better shot at becoming POTUS.
Keep in mind, Bernie isn't a democrat.
katmille
(213 posts)But I'm kind of new to DU and I really thought that that it was a Democratic website. Now I'm learning that it is a Bernie Sanders PR site. The reason I have a problem with Bernie is that he is an Independent, not a Democrat. Oh, yes, now he has conveniently begun to call himself a Democratic Socialist. So what are you, Bernie? An Independent, a Democrat, or a Democratic Socialist? So, yeah. I'm kind of "berned out."
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)for asking a very non provocative question. How does one ban a rude BSer from this group?
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Why would I care. I'll bet Larry David polls higher than Bernie!
GusBob
(7,286 posts)I tried. For about 2 years listened to him weekly on the Thom Hartmann show, "brunch with Bernie"
Just couldn't warm up to the guy. one issue candidate in my mind
Prefer a more dynamic candidate with a greater grasp of more issues than oligarcy. Especially foreign policy.
Would be nice if he laughed once in awhile too. The poor man has the personality of a mortician.
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Cha
(295,903 posts)A more well rounded candidate for President..
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton waits to speak during a meeting of the Alabama Democratic Conference in Hoover, Ala., Saturday, Oct. 17, 2015. (AP Photo/ Mark Almond)
http://still4hill.com/tag/hillary-for-president/
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)not in his appearance, but in the way he speaks. I'm not sure if it's the accent, or the voice, or just the abrupt style of speaking. But his mannerisms and his delivery often causes me to chuckle inappropriately.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I think that they think that behaving like jerks is the way to help him and he hasn't told them to cut it out.
And it's not just here on DU. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/here-comes-the-berniebro-bernie-sanders/411070/
GusBob
(7,286 posts)romans, lend me your ears
with respects to supporters acting like jerks, there are a few too many vocal ones for sure. They are not reasonable folks. "My way or the highway" will not work in politics at any level. Unfortunately they seem to drown out the BS supporters with a modicum of reason.
It seems to me that the saner BS supporters are a tad embarrassed by their jerky counterparts.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And not all of his supporters, just the obnoxious ones. I'll be so glad when the "feel the bern" hashtag is no longer in fashion.
What started out as being a semi-clever hashtag that showed unity and support for their candidate ended up being something that was used to taunt and poke and ridicule those who didn't support him. It went from being something positive to being something ugly.
For those people who claim that they'll never vote for Hillary, I take them at their word. I believe them, and it's pointless to waste any effort in trying to convince them otherwise.
It's my opinion that they only announce their non-voting intentions so that they can feel important, and so that they can get attention. They want to be lectured. They need to be validated.
They're feeling powerless and fearful, so they want to create the illusion that they have enough non-voting power to sway the election. I think they're trying to make Hillary supporters feel the same doubts and fears that they do. (It's pretty childish, really, but what can you do?)
In spite of their seemingly prolific numbers (here, anyway) I think that mentality is much less common in the real world. These are the clickety-clickety warriors that have congregated here. Out there, I suspect they're fairly dispersed and will be ineffective.
People tend to be more aggressive online and less so when having to deal with someone to face-to-face, so I think it's a safe bet that these aggressive Sanders supporters will discover that the ineffective (but annoying) tactics used here will be even less effective if they try to berate others outside the safety of their e-world.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Clickety-clackety warriors,,,Gol-durn I like that
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Glad you are here