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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:46 PM Dec 2015

Blaming the victim. (Hillary Group)

Since we continue to have this ongoing campaign of deflection, distraction and disambiguation regarding what happened, let's get back to what this really means.

Stealing Campaign Data Not a Good Fit for Bernie Sanders’ Brand

Will voters who’ve seen him as the most honest now change their minds?

Source: National Journal, by S.V. Dáte

With a curt “I apo­lo­gize” on na­tion­al tele­vi­sion Sat­urday night, Bernie Sanders tried to put be­hind him his cam­paign’s first real scan­dal of the race, proof that his staff had stud­ied data col­lec­ted by rival Hil­lary Clin­ton.

It may have come too late.

Be­cause un­like many oth­er politi­cians whose state­ments and motives are of­ten viewed with skep­ti­cism by voters, one of Sanders’s key selling points has been his per­son­al brand. At his ral­lies, sup­port­ers nearly al­ways cite his hon­esty and in­cor­rupt­ib­il­ity as one of his strongest at­trib­utes.


While the Sanders cam­paign down­played the level of its snoop­ing, the quer­ies it ran pro­duced lists ex­tremely use­ful to its ef­forts in the early vot­ing states.

With lists of Demo­crats who are strong Clin­ton sup­port­ers, who are not Clin­ton sup­port­ers, and who are most likely to turn out and vote come primary day, the Sanders cam­paign would have been able to save pre­cious time as it sought out its own likely voters, as well as got­ten a strong idea of Clin­ton’s strategy and turnout pro­jec­tions, Clin­ton press sec­ret­ary Bri­an Fal­lon told Na­tion­al Journ­al. In all, the quer­ies pro­duced hun­dreds of thou­sands of names in about a dozen states, in­clud­ing Iowa, New Hamp­shire, South Car­o­lina, and Flor­ida.


“These staffers then saved this in­form­a­tion in their per­son­al folders on the sys­tem, and over the course of the next day, we learned that at least one staffer ap­peared to have gen­er­ated re­ports and ex­por­ted them from the sys­tem,” Dacey wrote. “None of this is in dis­pute. It’s fully doc­u­mented in the sys­tem logs.”

Mean­ing, Fal­lon said, that if Sanders’s staff did not suc­ceed in im­prop­erly grabbing Clin­ton cam­paign data, “it wasn’t for the lack of try­ing.”


http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/126343/stealing-campaign-data-not-good-fit-bernie-sanders-brand?mref=home_top_side_3
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Treant

(1,968 posts)
2. I'm tellin' ya.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:24 PM
Dec 2015

That data was on the wrong side of the firewall, wearing a security skirt that was way too short.

It deserved to get pulled into the alley and copied by Sanders' team for forty minutes. It's all the data's fault and Sanders' team was clearly not to be expected to follow ethical rules governing these things.

Not. Guilty. Unless you mean Clinton, that is, in which case this is clearly all her fault. She's responsible for every hired vendor, every world spoken by every staffer, and every single event taking place in her campaign and in other campaigns when involved with hers.

Sanders is clearly not responsible for the actions of people he hired (directly or indirectly). Totally innocent.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. Great summary of General Discussion: Primaries!
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:05 PM
Dec 2015

And that other 'group'!

So many Hillary supporters have both on 'ignore,' it is of value to recap occasionally!

Treant

(1,968 posts)
5. I've ignored the Other Group
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:14 PM
Dec 2015

Since somebody told me how to do it. It's been on my mind to simply ignore the GD: P group as well. I'll find out about important news, so no problems there.

And yes, the reason I'm ignoring Those Others is mostly because of the posting I made. Blame the Victim is an extremely weak argument.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. The independent audit report will probably coming soon.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:11 PM
Dec 2015

With all of the attempt to deflect the real problem I wonder what is attempted to cover up.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
7. Should BS luck up & win a primary/caucus, there will always be a HUGE question mark now. I will....
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 09:01 PM
Dec 2015

always question whether they achieved some unfair advantage from the data they stole, but then I never trusted BS & his cohorts to begin with.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. Hillary has been taking these kinds of body shots for decades.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 09:24 PM
Dec 2015

Let's see how her opponents deal with "speculation" and "innuendo"!

Trump already says he doesn't like it - he should get an apology.

In tennis terms -"Advantage Hillary!"

Welcome to the Big Leagues!


Walk away

(9,494 posts)
9. Bernie adds cheating to his puny list of accomplishments!
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:03 PM
Dec 2015

I am so glad he isn't a Democrat because he is just an embarrassment.

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