Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThe most recent IA caucus forecast from FiveThirtyEight
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/iowa-democratic/The prediction does not mean that the race will not be close. There is every indication that it will be. But it's hardly time to lose heart despite the constant trashing of our candidate on DU. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)riversedge
(70,174 posts)graph for Nate Silver: jan 14 = 82% chance of Hillary winning Iowa
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Treant
(1,968 posts)(I always watch those because those people know what they're doing and can't afford to be wrong). Clinton's overall for the Democratic nomination is a strong 2/9. Sanders is a rather weak 3/1. O'Malley is a Don't Bother 100/1.
Sanders is mildly favored in NH. Last I looked, Clinton was strongly favored in IA, but they've since pulled that bet so I'm not sure. They usually pull a bet if the odds start running too close to even.
Really, if the Sanders people are so incredibly sure of themselves, they could make a killing.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)but you wouldn't know it by all the anti- Hillary hate i see on this site
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)in some ways. I'll be so glad when the primaries are over.
riversedge
(70,174 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)It is just sad to see so much of it coming from self-styled "Dems." But I have full faith in her and her team.
riversedge
(70,174 posts)We needs some yummies to get us through the primary season.
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BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)awesome!
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Oh he will win NH but he has to win both to have a chance to win the nomination.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)unduly disproportionate attention, IMO, and always have. BOTH races are likely to be very close and Bernie's BEST chance to win is in NH.
But Iowa is where Dems actually get together face-to-face to vote for other Dems, so Hillary's chances there are likely somewhat better than the most recent polls show, mainly because beloved Dems in the state (e.g., former Senator Tom Harkin, former Governor Tom Vilsack, etc.) are campaigning for her and that counts a lot for Iowans.
New Hampshire may also pleasantly surprise Hillary supporters, especially if more Independents vote in the GOP primary rather than in the Dem primary. That's the Wild Card for that state's primaries and if that happens, Bernie might not win.
But nothing's over until the actual events. HRC, bless her, is taking nothing for granted and I think that is great.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Lose Iowa and NH and the feeling of here being inevitable could change. All I am saying.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)never considered her "inevitable."
I have considered her - and still consider her - the BEST choice. My belief in that is not shaken, nor will it be, whatever happens in IA and/or NH. Secondly, Bernie Sanders is NO Barack Obama and NEVER can be.
Appealing as his economic ideas are, Bernie is simply not the vibrant, charismatic, well-rounded, young, biracial candidate with a consistent Dem track membership who was - and is - a de facto symbol of specific empowerment for those Americans who have been less empowered for centuries.
For all of his strengths, Bernie can never be PBO. And Hillary did not lose by much even to the wonderful candidate that PBO was.
I don't think of HRC's candidacy as "inevitable." I think of her candidacy as promise.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Obama took one thing that Bernie can't take from Hillary. People of color.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)This is that all-important nugget Bernie supporters are forgetting or ignoring when they try to make comparisons between President Obama and Bernie in this primary election. I believe some even believe that Bernie will attract more Republican voters than any other Democratic candidate in recent history, and that those people will fill the void of lack of minorities supporting Bernie.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)I see a lot of white noise but where is he getting traction? In two of the whitest of white states and from young people who don't vote.
The guy has been in the congress for 26 years and has done little to nothing and now some are seeing him as some sort of messiah who will get even the rethugs to follow him like the pied piper.
Bernie may win Iowa and New Hampshire but 11 days later there is Nevada and South Carolina and the key question is how will he do in a state that has a representative voter base? It's been 20 days but last poll I read in SC Hillary was up 40 points. If he wins Nevada or South Carolina we will talk.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)As a couple of women have stated lately, "never underestimate the power of the female vote."
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Silent_Greene
(19 posts)*Worst-Case Scenario: Hillary loses the first two states (which I don't think she will) and still ends up as our nominee!
From Slate:
Even if Hillary staggers out of New Hampshire with her second loss in as many contests, shell still have the same massive advantages she enjoys today: the campaign and super PAC cash, the ground game, the endorsements, the pledged superdelegates, and the general support of a party establishment that wont soon forget that her challenger is not technically even a part of the Democratic Party. An unexpected loss in Iowa and a less surprising one in New Hampshire wouldnt change that.
Shed also have a chance to get back on her feetand fast. Consider what comes next: Nevada (Feb. 20) and South Carolina (Feb. 27), two significantly more diverse states than lily-white Iowa and lily-whiter New Hampshire, and two places where Clinton currently enjoys massive leads in the polls. According to the RealClearPolitics rolling average, Clinton holds a 20-point advantage in Nevada and a whopping 40-point lead in South Carolina. March brings better news still for the former secretary of state, starting with a Super Tuesday slate that includes friendly territory in the form of southern states like Arkansas, Alabama, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. The rest of the month, meanwhile, includes several big, delegate-rich contests that she won eight years ago during her battle with Barack Obama: Michigan, Florida, and Ohio. Yes, Sanders could have the momentum this time next month, but itll be on him to to find a way to keep it as he heads into significantly more challenging terrain than Iowa or New Hampshire, which were always going to offer his best chance at pulling off an early upset or two.
None of this is to say that Clinton has the nomination locked up already. She doesnt. But if Iowa and New Hampshire are must-wins for anyone, its Sanders. Hillary canand likely wouldsurvive a slow start and still be the one standing on stage at the Democratic National Convention when the balloons come down this summer. Bernie, though, has no such margin of error.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Thanks for the link and the post.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)candidates. Bernie is not Barack. It's very telling that none of his current co-workers have endorsed him.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Why haven't they? I know two U.S. Reps and an ex-Senator (Senator for 133 days) have endorsed him, but none of his current colleagues are. Why?
FloridaBlues
(4,007 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)In my head, I know that anything can happen between polls and actual elections, whichever way the polls predict.
In a personal effort to help, I sent in a contribution to HRC's campaign this morning - my first of 2016.
Squinch
(50,932 posts)and he will finally be vetted by the media.
He has not yet been vetted, and like everyone, he has characteristics that people won't like. Those are not widely known right now.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Of course, Sanders will still keep soliciting donations and milking his 'popularity' financially - campaign donations can be used for all kinds of things.
It is just as Kasich said at the debate - a Sanders nomination will lead to a 50-state Republican sweep, and Democrats are not going to go along with that!
That's why we support the progressive liberal Democrat Hilary Clinton. Well, that - and she's a woman!
BlueMTexpat
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BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Thanks for the link.