Ben Ginsberg, talking to Rachel, Brian Williams, et al. Dropping bombshells about Repub....

[Hekate]

....Convention and overturning Trump. The panel is exhausted because it's like 1:00 am where they are, and a little goofy, but this old guy answered question after question and volunteered information. And smiled and smiled.

I found this absolutely remarkable, and can't really do it justice. Ginsberg is a Republican attorney in Bush v Gore. There will be a transcript on the MSNBC website.

The question is: is anybody besides me watching this ?!

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. It's replaying as we speak. He'll be on after the break. It's about 1:30 am here on the East Coast.

I'll never fall asleep tonight. I'm just too ginned up, so I'm watching the a.m. replays.

[Hekate]

2. Good! I want to know what others think! It's 10:40 here...

So I'm okay for awhile yet. Sheesh what a night -- complete meltdown by some of DUs denizens, eh?

But that thing with Ginsberg -- notice that little smile. He chose to talk to liberals on MSNBC, he chose to tell everyone what the big plan is to stop Trump. Amazing.

[villager]

3. Well.. what did he say the plan was?

Presumably, that's safe for me to ask in here, right?

[Hekate]

5. When I said I couldn't do justice to it I meant it. Iirc, it is a brokered convention...

It sounds very complicated, like all the real work has to be accomplished before the convention, practically district by district. He said it cannot be top-down.

The GOP is coming to pieces before our eyes.

[villager]

6. Well, good. They've needed to be in pieces for a long time.

May the pieces get scattered to the wind...

[Hekate]

8. I agree. Will look for analysis Los Angeles Times tomorrow.

[elleng]

4. Good of you. I'm not.

Ginsburg is/was a heavy repug hitter, as I recall.

[NBachers]

7. Then if I'm going to speculate on who the choice will be, is it Rubio? Jebsus is toast, so it can't

him. Or are they nutzo enough to go for some other outlier?

[obamanut2012]

9. It'll be Rubio

He is the puppet to someone very big, you can tell. Kochs? And, he seems harmless to a lot of people.

[DemonGoddess]

10. Rubio is about as harmless

in reality, as the Shrub ever was. blech.

[wysi]

22. Yeah...

Rubio makes me damn nervous, because there's no telling what sort of shit his handlers will get the world into.

[book_worm]

11. Fine, then Donald will run as an Indie

[yallerdawg]

12. Ginsberg pointed out Trump has not won majority of delegates.

At a brokered convention, if on the first ballot, a single candidate doesn't win the majority (50% plus1) the convention votes until they have a winner. After the first ballot, all delegate votes are 'freed.'

One very legitimate scenario, Cruz and Rubio - who at this point have more votes than Trump - pledge a ticket, and the convention then reflects the will of the majority primary vote.

On the other hand, the convention can nominate anyone other than Trump, and for the good of the Republican Party, select another candidate altogether.

[Her Sister]

13. Videos

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/how-exactly-would-a-brokered-convention-work-634792003722

[question everything]

29. Thank you. I was dozing on and off and did not get the gist of this

but later, Chris Matthews asked why Ginsberg was telling it to us. So I suppose Matthews will devote a lot of his program this evening to this clip. That is, if he, and the rest of them got enough slip.

[stevenleser]

16. Yep, I just posted the same thing downthread. I dont see any chance of Trump or Cruz winning a

brokered convention. They are too hated by establishment Republicans.

We would see them nominate Rubio.

[yallerdawg]

17. At which point Trump will go Independent...

and we have the first woman president!

Bill's plan is working!

I like this scenario!

[Hekate]

23. Heehee

I remember when DU found out Bill had "talked" with Drumpf about running. While others were frothing at the mouth, I was laughing because I could just hear that trademark rasp of the Big Dog's as he chuckled and said "Follow your dream, Donald, follow your dream," knowing it would mean GOP disaster.

[Her Sister]

14. video pt 2

[stevenleser]

15. Make no mistake, if Trump doesnt get enough delegates to clinch it on the first ballot, he will not

be the Republican nominee.

They will take it away from him and give it to Rubio. I am 100% certain of this.

[Hekate]

18. Thank you, HRC people. I knew you'd come through with something more intelligible....

....than my late night ramblings.

Good morning!

[Lil Missy]

19. I saw that too. Ginsberg is a sleezeball. That said,

he had some ideas that were basically suggestive of disenfranchising the majority voters and stealing the election from Trump if he wins. Makes it pretty clear that if they can do it to a Republican (and I use the term loosely with Trump), they sure as hell would do it to a Democrat.

[Hekate]

24. I know. It was that smile of his, my gods, did you see that smile?!

[Lil Missy]

31. The man is evil.

[Hekate]

32. Pretty much

[BlueCaliDem]

20. I missed it since I bought the entire Season 6 of The Walking Dead and watched a few episodes

last night. So thanks so much for giving us a heads up, Hekate!

[peggysue2]

21. A fascinating peek

I thought that conversation was fascinating, a peek into the inner workings of the Republican leadership nest. Ginsberg infamous for his work in the Gore/Bush fiasco gave us tidbits of what's grinding behind the curtain. There was presumably a big meeting this morning yo map out the strategy to deny Trump the nomination, all the big guns.

The GOP knows it's facing a Fracture for the Ages. It's Anyone But Trump time in DC. The Donald even took on Paul Ryan, a shot across the bow.

This is all out war.

[Hekate]

25. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people. They are going to be even down and dirtier...

...than they have up till now, and that's really saying something.

[Her Sister]

27. lol!!

[wysi]

26. I'm now wondering...

... whether they'd try to install someone who hasn't run this year (like Romney). Mitt's sure keeping himself busy commenting on all of this.

[Treant]

30. Oh, please

do that. He's already lost (badly) to Obama, has so many easily exploited weaknesses, and Obama can give Clinton some pointers on taking Governor Goodhair down.

[Hekate]

28. Just now with Chuck Todd: Charlie Black and (?) laying out the rationale for dumping Drumpf...

Claiming it's all a democratic process, because the voters choose the delegates and the delegates choose the nominee, and the delegates are not obligated to vote for Trump if they are persuaded not to.

I wonder how the voters feel about that?

Son of a gun, they are really going to do this.

Run third party, Donald!