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HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:52 AM Mar 2016

Hillary, Walmart and some context

Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:21 PM - Edit history (1)





Why didn't Hillary Clinton have a greater influence over this board?

Why didn't the lone liberal on a board of 14 powerfully conservative southern men circa 1986 manage to change their vehemently anti-union stance?

For me, as a woman, the story of her time on that board almost tells itself from that photo.

Some context: 39 year old Hillary Clinton was appointed to the Board because Sam Walton's wife insisted they needed a woman. Clinton was their second choice.

’She was not an outspoken person on labor, because I think she was smart enough to know that if she favored labor, she was the only one,” one member said. “It would only lessen her own position on the board if she took that position.’”


She made her time on that board about pushing environmental issues and about pushing Walton to place more women in management roles in the company. In 1985 there was not a single woman officer among the total of 42 Walmart officers. In fact, Hillary greatly irritated Walton with her insistence he place qualified women in managerial positions. By all accounts she was a thorn in Sam Waltons side.

Further,

Mrs. Clinton had greater success on environmental issues. At her request, Mr. Walton set up the environmental advisory group, which sent a series of recommendations to the company’s board. Under her watch, the advisory group drew up elaborate plans. Consumers would bring in used motor oil and batteries for recycling. Suppliers would reduce the size of their packaging. And Wal-Mart would build stores with energy-saving features."



Yes she was paid the same $18,000 per year that all the other board members were paid. Surely, no one is suggesting that a woman's labor should be free?

Yes she at one time had $100,000 in Walmart stock -- Walmart employees had the ability to purchase subsidized stock options. Surely you're not against Walmart employees, working their way up in the company and having that benefit or is it just this one Walmart board member who shouldn't? The stock went into a blind trust during their years in the White House, as is customary.

So she doesn't pass the progressive purity test. Many don't. I'd bet there's little to be said of Susan Sarandon's Tylenol paycheck or her L'oreal gig - Despite Johnson and Johnson's position on GMOs, and L'oreal's position on animal testing and their huge factory in Indonesia where workers rights are barely existent. Or How about Tad Devine's prior work with Monsanto? They are still held up as proper progressives.

Really hard to pass that progressive purity test...

I think what matters is what are you fighting for today? What is your vision today? How will we move forward today?

And why wouldn't we want someone from our side in the room where it happens? What power do you have sitting outside the door?


Quotes are from In Sam We Trust by Bob Ortega via thepeoplesview.net




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Hillary, Walmart and some context (Original Post) HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 OP
The Hillary Haters play something akin to "The Kevin Bacon Game!" yallerdawg Mar 2016 #1
Thanks HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #4
PERFECT ANALOGY!! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #12
Absolutely true pandr32 Mar 2016 #13
K&R mcar Mar 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #3
K&R DesertRat Mar 2016 #5
Tom Hartman told Stephanie Miller that Rose Siding Mar 2016 #6
I saw that old meme trending on Home page this morning... HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #8
Hillary also promoted Buy America while serving on the board. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #7
K&R! Excellent post. Kang Colby Mar 2016 #9
Bernie fans applaud when he goes into the "lions den" of Liberty University. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #10
Excellent post! Thank you for this article. SharonClark Mar 2016 #11
Oh that Wallmart bullshit? ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #14
Well put! HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #15
Or use and i-phone and a Mac Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #17
Or any other computing device, for that matter... jmowreader Mar 2016 #21
Thanks for this. VERY much appreciated. riversedge Mar 2016 #16
KICK! Cha Mar 2016 #18
Context means nothing to some of that crowd LisaM Mar 2016 #19
Kick! sheshe2 Mar 2016 #20

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. The Hillary Haters play something akin to "The Kevin Bacon Game!"
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:16 AM
Mar 2016

6 degrees of separation.

In six steps or less, tie the worst things on earth to Hillary Clinton. Then - it being Hillary - it is a narrative that will never end. Facts do not matter.

If you are not into BS, then you understand the source and purpose of the speculation, innuendo, and slander.

And refuse to give it the credibility they so desperately seek to promote the hate.

HH! For trying to push back - to correct the falsehoods - to not playing the game!

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
4. Thanks
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:27 AM
Mar 2016

And an interesting analogy, the six degrees game.

It does seem that the progressive purity test is almost always consistently applied to only her.

Thanks for appreciating my take on the reality of the situation.

Keyword being REALITY. Short in supply in the BS camp, IMO.



Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
6. Tom Hartman told Stephanie Miller that
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:32 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary was on that board before it was incorporated and their merch was made in America. Not even he holds it against her.

Hard to watch fact be eaten alive by the Oligarch Hating Monster machine.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
8. I saw that old meme trending on Home page this morning...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar 2016

And I posted what I wrote here as a reply to that post.Then I saw that the OP sat in the Bernie Group.

I had inadvertantly posted my pro Hillary reply in the Bernie group and I thought "oh, this won't end well..."

Deleted it, posted here. Better chance at reaching open minds.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. Hillary also promoted Buy America while serving on the board.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

She did not spend twenty five years on Walmart's board and promoted advancing of women while she served. She has also served on other boards such as the President's Cabinet, the board of the USA.

I have also purchased Walmart stock, does not discredit me or Hillary. Walmart has employed many and the money earned supported many households, in fact there are some people who are still grateful they are employed by Walmart. Disparaging Hillary for serving on the board of Walmart and disparaging employees of Walmart does not sound very progressive to me.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
9. K&R! Excellent post.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:39 PM
Mar 2016

For those of us who value experience in a candidate, I see nothing wrong with her serving on the board of a Fortune 500 company, and one of the most influential at that. I guess it doesn't pass progressive purity standards because she didn't moonlight by writing sexually degrading articles about women in an alt newspaper like their folk hero Bernie did.

SunSeeker

(51,544 posts)
10. Bernie fans applaud when he goes into the "lions den" of Liberty University.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 01:07 PM
Mar 2016

They claimed it was good because he would expose them to new ideas (for them) and maybe change some minds. Not clear if that happened.

But when Hillary goes into the real lions den of the Walmart board, she is slammed as a sellout even though she demonstrably did some good.

I am so sick of the bullshit double standard against Hillary.

ismnotwasm

(41,971 posts)
14. Oh that Wallmart bullshit?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

Brought to you by the same kind of people who claim to be vegan but wear leather running shoes made in a sweat shop on Malaysia. Ignorant.

jmowreader

(50,543 posts)
21. Or any other computing device, for that matter...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:36 AM
Mar 2016

since almost all technology made today comes from the same places Apple's products do, and in many cases - since Apple uses Foxconn, the biggest tech manufacturer in China - it comes from the exact factory Apple's stuff does.

This is not to discount the atrocities of Foxconn, but to point out that someone choosing a Samsung phone over an Apple because of how bad Apple's contract manufacturer is, bought a device made one table over from an iPhone.

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
19. Context means nothing to some of that crowd
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:30 AM
Mar 2016

Not all of them, but there are some that have a real inability to deal with nuance in any form.

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