Hillary Clinton
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Why didn't Hillary Clinton have a greater influence over this board?
Why didn't the lone liberal on a board of 14 powerfully conservative southern men circa 1986 manage to change their vehemently anti-union stance?
For me, as a woman, the story of her time on that board almost tells itself from that photo.
Some context: 39 year old Hillary Clinton was appointed to the Board because Sam Walton's wife insisted they needed a woman. Clinton was their second choice.
She was not an outspoken person on labor, because I think she was smart enough to know that if she favored labor, she was the only one, one member said. It would only lessen her own position on the board if she took that position.
She made her time on that board about pushing environmental issues and about pushing Walton to place more women in management roles in the company. In 1985 there was not a single woman officer among the total of 42 Walmart officers. In fact, Hillary greatly irritated Walton with her insistence he place qualified women in managerial positions. By all accounts she was a thorn in Sam Waltons side.
Further,
Yes she was paid the same $18,000 per year that all the other board members were paid. Surely, no one is suggesting that a woman's labor should be free?
Yes she at one time had $100,000 in Walmart stock -- Walmart employees had the ability to purchase subsidized stock options. Surely you're not against Walmart employees, working their way up in the company and having that benefit or is it just this one Walmart board member who shouldn't? The stock went into a blind trust during their years in the White House, as is customary.
So she doesn't pass the progressive purity test. Many don't. I'd bet there's little to be said of Susan Sarandon's Tylenol paycheck or her L'oreal gig - Despite Johnson and Johnson's position on GMOs, and L'oreal's position on animal testing and their huge factory in Indonesia where workers rights are barely existent. Or How about Tad Devine's prior work with Monsanto? They are still held up as proper progressives.
Really hard to pass that progressive purity test...
I think what matters is what are you fighting for today? What is your vision today? How will we move forward today?
And why wouldn't we want someone from our side in the room where it happens? What power do you have sitting outside the door?
Quotes are from In Sam We Trust by Bob Ortega via thepeoplesview.net
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)6 degrees of separation.
In six steps or less, tie the worst things on earth to Hillary Clinton. Then - it being Hillary - it is a narrative that will never end. Facts do not matter.
If you are not into BS, then you understand the source and purpose of the speculation, innuendo, and slander.
And refuse to give it the credibility they so desperately seek to promote the hate.
HH! For trying to push back - to correct the falsehoods - to not playing the game!
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)And an interesting analogy, the six degrees game.
It does seem that the progressive purity test is almost always consistently applied to only her.
Thanks for appreciating my take on the reality of the situation.
Keyword being REALITY. Short in supply in the BS camp, IMO.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thank you!
pandr32
(11,572 posts)mcar
(42,287 posts)Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Original post)
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DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Thanks for posting
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Hillary was on that board before it was incorporated and their merch was made in America. Not even he holds it against her.
Hard to watch fact be eaten alive by the Oligarch Hating Monster machine.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)And I posted what I wrote here as a reply to that post.Then I saw that the OP sat in the Bernie Group.
I had inadvertantly posted my pro Hillary reply in the Bernie group and I thought "oh, this won't end well..."
Deleted it, posted here. Better chance at reaching open minds.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)She did not spend twenty five years on Walmart's board and promoted advancing of women while she served. She has also served on other boards such as the President's Cabinet, the board of the USA.
I have also purchased Walmart stock, does not discredit me or Hillary. Walmart has employed many and the money earned supported many households, in fact there are some people who are still grateful they are employed by Walmart. Disparaging Hillary for serving on the board of Walmart and disparaging employees of Walmart does not sound very progressive to me.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)For those of us who value experience in a candidate, I see nothing wrong with her serving on the board of a Fortune 500 company, and one of the most influential at that. I guess it doesn't pass progressive purity standards because she didn't moonlight by writing sexually degrading articles about women in an alt newspaper like their folk hero Bernie did.
SunSeeker
(51,544 posts)They claimed it was good because he would expose them to new ideas (for them) and maybe change some minds. Not clear if that happened.
But when Hillary goes into the real lions den of the Walmart board, she is slammed as a sellout even though she demonstrably did some good.
I am so sick of the bullshit double standard against Hillary.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,971 posts)Brought to you by the same kind of people who claim to be vegan but wear leather running shoes made in a sweat shop on Malaysia. Ignorant.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,836 posts)jmowreader
(50,543 posts)since almost all technology made today comes from the same places Apple's products do, and in many cases - since Apple uses Foxconn, the biggest tech manufacturer in China - it comes from the exact factory Apple's stuff does.
This is not to discount the atrocities of Foxconn, but to point out that someone choosing a Samsung phone over an Apple because of how bad Apple's contract manufacturer is, bought a device made one table over from an iPhone.
riversedge
(70,173 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)LisaM
(27,800 posts)Not all of them, but there are some that have a real inability to deal with nuance in any form.